So far.....

(includes changes and additions)

kbbrown3 : Agnostic - [Theist leaning?]
Stiletto : Atheist
Mindstorm : Christian - [nondenominational]
smheath : Christian - [unspecified]
bmdurham : Evolutionary Humanist, Satanist, Existentialist
Ronny : Jedi
YanTheManV : Jewish - [non-practicing]
joe17669 : Agnostic
SaabTurbo : Agnostic
qntmfred : Christian - [nondenominational]
Amsterdam718 : Christian - Catholic
LadyWolff : Neo-Pagan - Wiccan
hempster : Frisbeetarian, Agnostic - [Pythagorean leaning]
puck_it : Christian - Catholic
Kitty B : Agnostic, Neo-Pagan - Eclectic Pagan
bottombaby : Christian - Free Will Baptist
coolguy1335 : Agnostic - [Buddhist tendencies]
Kodiak : Atheist
drunknloaded : Christian - Catholic
amazon : Agnostic
Shank : Fremen - [Zensunni?]
Cherokee : Agnostic - [Atheist leaning]
spaced guy : Agnostic
‡ Lutra : ??? [former Southern Baptist?]
Jere : Agnostic
msb2ncsu : Christian - United Methodist
Lutz : Christian - Baptist
CalledToArms : Christian - [nondenominational]
jimb0 : Agnostic - [theist leaning?]
Natalie0628 : Agnostic
Beardawg61 : Christian - Evangelical Lutheran Church of America
Supplanter : Classical Pagan - Greco-Roman Polytheist
zxappeal : Agnostic
abcdefg13 : Scientologist
strudle66 : Atheist
chembob : Christian - [nondenominational, Catholic tendencies]
bigTHEW : Christian - Baptist
tdwhitlo : Agnostic, Neo-Pagan - Wiccan
bgmims : Christian - Catholic
tartsquid : Agnostic - [Catholic leaning]
darkmage : Christian - [nondenominational]
ncsutiger : Christian - [nondenominational, Sabbatarian]
ShawnaC123 : Atheist
E30turbo : Agnostic
SouthPaW12 : Christian - [nondenominational]
RJCNCSU : Christian - Presbyterian, [nondenominational]
Lelacake : Agnostic
Gamecat : Agnostic, Buddhist - [Sufi practices]
BelowMe : Christian - Baptist
‡ salsta415 : Christian?? Galactophasic Determinist?? - Zen Baptist
Sayer : Taoist
Boss DJ : Christian - Presbyterian
Turnip : Atheist, Deist
pablo_price : Agnostic - [Atheist leaning]
Garthok : Christian - United Methodist, [nondenominational]
robster : Christian - Mormon *
HayleyToye : Unitarian Universalist
cyrion : Agnostic - [Deist leaning?]
Queti : Christian - Southern Baptist, Church of Christ
quiet guy : Agnostic
Wolfpacker06 : Christian - [nondenominational]
AxlBonBach : Christian - Baptist
bassman803 : Christian - [nondenominational with Jainist, Buddhist, Taoist, and Hindu beliefs]
TheTabbyCat : Christian - United Church of Christ
Snewf : Atheist, Agnostic, Humanist
NyM410 : Christian - Roman Catholic
scrabz : Christian - Roman Catholic
spöokyjon : Theoretical Particle Physics Buddhist
Wlfpk4Life : Christian - Roman Catholic
sparky : Gnostic - [Eastern Karmic beliefs]
AntiMnifesto : Atheist
Smath74 : Christian - [nondenominational]
punchmonk : Christian - [nondenominational?]
klsutton : Christian - [nondenominational]
ssjamind : Hindu
arghx : Christian - Roman Catholic
packboozie : Christian - Baptist
McDanger : Agnostic - [Atheist leaning?]
appamali : Hindu
theDuke866 : Christian - [nondenominational Protestant]
JSteen : Christian - Baptist
‡ Grapehead : [transitional]
HZW0483 : Muslim
BridgetSPK : Agnostic
pirate5311 : Atheist
Minkagrl01 : Christian - Catholic
rjrgrl : Christian - Moravian
bous : Christian - [nondenominational, Agnostic leaning]
Lowjack : Scientologist
sfshaikh : Muslim
absolutapril : Christian - Moravian, [self-denomination]
sylvershadow : Agnostic, Neo-Pagan - Eclectic Pagan
Burlgirl : Christian - Catholic
danmangt40 : Atheist - [Agnostic leaning]
Josh8315 : Humanist - Transhumanist
blasphemour : Satanist
dannydigtl : Agnostic
bruiserbrody : Neo-Pagan - Asatru
caesar : Christian - Episcopalian
alee : Christian - Southern Baptist, [nondenominational]
mrfrog : Christian - Lutheran
DirtyGreek : Agnostic, Panthiest?
shakdizzle : Muslim
bethaleigh : Christian - Methodist
RattlerRyan : Agnostic
RachelMarie : Christian - Catholic
Waluigi : Christian - United Church of Christ
MrT : Heaven's Gatist - [non-practicing]
chuck_t : Agnostic
supercat329 : Christian - Presbyterian
Specter : Muslim
Sugarush4u : Hindu
Restricted : Agnostic
zenobia0000 : Atheist
GrumpyGOP : Christian - Eastern Orthodox
JayMCnasty : Christian - Episcopalian?
phongstar : Atheist
jbtilley : Christian - Mormon *
Hankypank : Agnostic, Atheist
FlufyEarmufs : Christian - [nondenominational]
Raige : Agnostic
Shivan Bird : Atheist
omicron101 : Epicurean
Gumbified : Christian - Catholic
bbehe : Buddhist
Mangy Wolf : Christian - Methodist
Ansonian : Christian - Southern Baptist
Deshman007 : Christian - Evangelical Lutheran Church of America
XCchik : Christian - Catholic
V0LC0M : Christian - Methodist


(Sorry if I got anything wrong....just LMK.)


The count:

Agnostic: 32
Atheist: 13
Christian: 59
Humanist: 3
Satanist: 2
Existentialist: 1
Jedi: 1
Jewish: 1
Neo-Pagan: 5
Frisbeetarian: 1
Buddhist: 2
Fremen: 1
Scientologist: 2
Unitarian: 1
Theoretical Particle Physics Buddhist: 1
Gnostic: 1
Classical Pagan: 1
Taoist: 1
Deist: 1
Hindu: 3
Muslim: 4
Panthiest: 1
Heaven's Gatist: 1
Epicurean: 1

(‡ Not in the count--too little information.)

(* Until those whom identify as "Christian - Mormon" tell me otherwise, that's what the list will reflect. If you don't like it, then send them private messages or start a new thread. No amount of bible quotes or other historical evidence changes the fact that one may self-identify as whatever religion** they please.)

(** "religion" = personal autonomous religious/spiritual self-identity. So, yes--Atheism and Agnosticism are considered religions. I know that many are used to "religion" meaning "organized religion", but without the term "organized", it means something very different.)

3/2/2006 4:16:05 PM

Everybody in this thread should read Life of Pi.

3/3/2006 2:56:48 AM

So kbbrown3's poll has gone on for a couple of weeks now, and hempster has tallied in the information. Is there anyway of analyzing the data, are there any interesting conclusions, things people didn't expect etc? Or was it just information gathered for information’s sake?

3/4/2006 5:45:33 PM

Quote :

"You continue to assume that certain physical, earthly actions carry with them some inherent value."

They carry the inherent value of experience. Not all experiences are good, but wider experience makes for a fuller picture of life. That can be good, or bad (depending on how you parse the experience), but a wider view of life brings greater appreciation of the things it can bring.

Seeing as how the existence of God is an unanswerable, meaningless question, why would you constrict your range of experiences of this world (read: the only world you have good evidence to believe in)? Depriving yourself of fullness in the only life you know seems silly to me, and unnatural.

-- (just realized my girlfriend didn't log out before i started playing on this computer, this was written by McDanger)

3/4/2006 6:41:14 PM

TO MIKE AND HOLLY

3/4/2006 6:51:19 PM

Quote :

"They carry the inherent value of experience."

You're begging the question here, stating that something is fact in your argument for that something.

What does experience matter one iota if as soon as you die you cease to be in every relevant sense of the word? And you're going to have to do better than just saying "but if you experience things it's good" or "you appreciate life more," because you can't appreciate it, because you're dead.

Quote :

"Depriving yourself of fullness in the only life you know seems silly to me, and unnatural."

No, what's silly is that acting as though the things religion would typically take out of your life are self-evidently the "good" things that contribute to its "fullness."

I ask again, what grand standard is it that you have stumbled upon that says a life with regular fucking is more rewarding/fullfilling/etc. than a life with regular prayer or church attendance?

3/4/2006 10:17:59 PM

Christian - Baptist (not Southern Baptist Convention)

3/4/2006 10:30:05 PM

Asatru (Norse heathenism)

3/5/2006 3:04:41 AM

Quote :

"So kbbrown3's poll has gone on for a couple of weeks now, and hempster has tallied in the information. Is there anyway of analyzing the data, are there any interesting conclusions, things people didn't expect etc? Or was it just information gathered for information’s sake?"

I wasn't surprised about all the random religions being that we're in college and people just want attention. The results are pretty much as expected. I think this should keep going, numbers are good. I just wish we could compare like christians to christians and agnostics to agnostics, analyze their background and look at the correlations in different religions, beliefs, and methods of worship. All of which I don't think can be made on a message board.

[Edited on March 5, 2006 at 3:46 PM. Reason : add more.]

3/5/2006 3:43:07 PM

i thought the Christian might be a little higher because we are in the bible belt... its interesting that there were more than one satanist (supposing either of them is real)

3/5/2006 3:48:02 PM

Methodist

3/5/2006 3:50:11 PM

NOT A JEW btw -

3/5/2006 4:02:17 PM

Catholic.

3/7/2006 11:26:18 AM

haha, i laughed at the fremen and jedi

[Edited on March 7, 2006 at 11:59 AM. Reason : i'm catholic btw]

3/7/2006 11:59:10 AM

Catholic Christian.

3/7/2006 2:04:44 PM

kbbrown3 : Agnostic - [Theist leaning?]
Stiletto : Atheist
Mindstorm : Christian - [nondenominational]
smheath : Christian - [unspecified]
bmdurham : Evolutionary Humanist, Satanist, Existentialist
Ronny : Jedi
YanTheManV : Jewish - [non-practicing]
joe17669 : Agnostic
SaabTurbo : Agnostic
qntmfred : Christian - [nondenominational]
Amsterdam718 : Christian - Catholic
LadyWolff : Neo-Pagan - Wiccan
hempster : Frisbeetarian, Agnostic - [Pythagorean leaning]
puck_it : Christian - Catholic
Kitty B : Agnostic, Neo-Pagan - Eclectic Pagan
bottombaby : Christian - Free Will Baptist
coolguy1335 : Agnostic - [Buddhist tendencies]
Kodiak : Atheist
drunknloaded : Christian - Catholic
amazon : Agnostic
Shank : Fremen - [Zensunni?]
Cherokee : Agnostic - [Atheist leaning]
spaced guy : Agnostic
‡ Lutra : ??? [former Southern Baptist?]
Jere : Agnostic
msb2ncsu : Christian - United Methodist
Lutz : Christian - Baptist
CalledToArms : Christian - [nondenominational]
jimb0 : Agnostic - [theist leaning?]
Natalie0628 : Agnostic
Beardawg61 : Christian - Evangelical Lutheran Church of America
Supplanter : Classical Pagan - Greco-Roman Polytheist
zxappeal : Agnostic
abcdefg13 : Scientologist
strudle66 : Atheist
chembob : Christian - [nondenominational, Catholic tendencies]
bigTHEW : Christian - Baptist
tdwhitlo : Agnostic, Neo-Pagan - Wiccan
bgmims : Christian - Catholic
tartsquid : Agnostic - [Catholic leaning]
darkmage : Christian - [nondenominational]
ncsutiger : Christian - [nondenominational, Sabbatarian]
ShawnaC123 : Atheist
E30turbo : Agnostic
SouthPaW12 : Christian - [nondenominational]
RJCNCSU : Christian - Presbyterian, [nondenominational]
Lelacake : Agnostic
Gamecat : Agnostic, Buddhist - [Sufi practices]
BelowMe : Christian - Baptist
‡ salsta415 : Christian?? Galactophasic Determinist?? - Zen Baptist
Sayer : Taoist
Boss DJ : Christian - Presbyterian
Turnip : Atheist, Deist
pablo_price : Agnostic - [Atheist leaning]
Garthok : Christian - United Methodist, [nondenominational]
robster : Mormon
HayleyToye : Unitarian Universalist
cyrion : Agnostic - [Deist leaning?]
Queti : Christian - Southern Baptist, Church of Christ
quiet guy : Agnostic
Wolfpacker06 : Christian - [nondenominational]
AxlBonBach : Christian - Baptist
bassman803 : Christian - [nondenominational with Jainist, Buddhist, Taoist, and Hindu beliefs]
TheTabbyCat : Christian - United Church of Christ
Snewf : Atheist, Agnostic, Humanist
NyM410 : Christian - Roman Catholic
scrabz : Christian - Roman Catholic
spöokyjon : Theoretical Particle Physics Buddhist
Wlfpk4Life : Christian - Roman Catholic
sparky : Gnostic - [Eastern Karmic beliefs]
AntiMnifesto : Atheist
Smath74 : Christian - [nondenominational]
punchmonk : Christian - [nondenominational?]
klsutton : Christian - [nondenominational]
ssjamind : Hindu
arghx : Christian - Roman Catholic
packboozie : Christian - Baptist
McDanger : Agnostic - [Atheist leaning?]
appamali : Hindu
theDuke866 : Christian - [nondenominational Protestant]
JSteen : Christian - Baptist
‡ Grapehead : [transitional]
HZW0483 : Muslim
BridgetSPK : Agnostic
pirate5311 : Atheist
Minkagrl01 : Christian - Catholic
rjrgrl : Christian - Moravian
bous : Christian - [nondenominational, Agnostic leaning]
Lowjack : Scientologist
sfshaikh : Muslim
absolutapril : Moravian, [self-denomination]
sylvershadow : Agnostic, Neo-Pagan - Eclectic Pagan
Burlgirl : Christian - Catholic
danmangt40 : Atheist - [Agnostic leaning]
Josh8315 : Humanist - Transhumanist
blasphemour : Satanist
dannydigtl : Agnostic
bruiserbrody : Neo-Pagan - Asatru
caesar : Christian - Episcopalian
alee : Christian - Southern Baptist, [nondenominational]
mrfrog : Christian - Lutheran
DirtyGreek : Agnostic, Panthiest?
shakdizzle : Muslim
bethaleigh : Christian - Methodist
RattlerRyan : Agnostic
RachelMarie : Christian - Catholic
Waluigi : Christian - United Church of Christ
MrT : Heaven's Gatist - [non-practicing]
chuck_t : Agnostic
supercat329 : Christian - Presbyterian
Specter : Muslim
Sugarush4u : Hindu
Restricted : Agnostic
zenobia0000 : Atheist
GrumpyGOP : Christian - Eastern Orthodox
JayMCnasty : Christian - Episcopalian?
phongstar : Atheist
jbtilley : Mormon
Hankypank : Agnostic, Atheist
FlufyEarmufs : Christian - [nondenominational]
Raige : Agnostic
Shivan Bird : Atheist
omicron101 : Epicurean
Gumbified : Christian - Catholic
bbehe : Buddhist
Mangy Wolf : Christian - Methodist
Ansonian : Christian - Southern Baptist
Deshman007 : Christian - Evangelical Lutheran Church of America
XCchik : Christian - Catholic
V0LC0M : Christian - Methodist



Agnostic: 32
Atheist: 13
Christian: 56
Humanist: 3
Satanist: 2
Existentialist: 1
Jedi: 1
Jewish: 1
Mormon: 3
Neo-Pagan: 5
Frisbeetarian: 1
Buddhist: 2
Fremen: 1
Scientologist: 2
Unitarian: 1
Theoretical Particle Physics Buddhist: 1
Gnostic: 1
Classical Pagan: 1
Taoist: 1
Deist: 1
Hindu: 3
Muslim: 4
Panthiest: 1
Heaven's Gatist: 1
Epicurean: 1

3/11/2006 5:31:04 PM

agnostic

3/11/2006 5:45:32 PM

Christian - Methodist

3/11/2006 6:20:53 PM

I must have killed the thread

3/13/2006 7:41:54 AM

Bahá’í, but with some sympathy for atheism and a lot of sympathy for universalism.

3/13/2006 8:39:33 AM

Quaker

3/13/2006 8:55:42 AM

Quaker? I hardly know her.

3/13/2006 9:02:30 AM

3/13/2006 9:47:34 AM

^really?

3/13/2006 10:05:19 AM

what is an agnostic?

is that like, someone who believes in the divinity of nature and worships through their love of farming?

3/13/2006 10:22:26 AM

Quote :

"Definitions of Agnostic on the Web: * A word first used by Professor Huxley, to indicate one who believes nothing which cannot be demonstrated by the senses. http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/key/key-glos.htm * An Agnostic [1] [noun] [OW] embraces a worldview in which the existence of deity is unknown or unknowable. Derives from the Greek agnostos, a = without, gnostos = known or knowledge. "Agnostic[ism] [CE] was coined by Professor TH Huxley in 1869 to describe the mental attitude of one who regarded as futile all attempts to know the reality corresponding to our ultimate scientific, philosophic, and religious ideas." members.aol.com/porchnus/dict01.htm * one who believes that the evidence for and against the existence of God is inconclusive. (agnosticism) http://www.summit.org/resource/dictionary/ * Agnostic: one who questions religious or spiritual beliefs, and who may choose not to claim any system of knowledge. iamuniversity.org/glossary/cv_glossarylist.php * One who holds the theory that God is unknown or unknowable http://www.innvista.com/culture/religion/diction.htm * Someone who claims that they do not know or are unable to know whether God exists. http://www.abdn.ac.uk/philosophy/guide/glossary.shtml * Agnosticism asserts no knowledge of gods and therefore concludes there are no reasons to believe in them or not to believe in them. An agnostic follows this credo and differs from the atheist who has developed an active belief that there are no gods. When it comes to the question of existence of deities, an agnostic will respond: I just don't know. designdynamics.org/dictionary.html * someone who is doubtful or noncommittal about something * of or pertaining to an agnostic or agnosticism * uncertain of all claims to knowledge * a person who claims that they cannot have true knowledge about the existence of God (but does not deny that God might exist) wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn * Agnosticism is the philosophical view that the truth values of certain claims, particularly theological claims regarding the existence of God, gods or deities, are either unknown or inherently unknowable. The term and the related agnostic were coined by Thomas Henry Huxley in 1869 and are also used to describe those who are unconvinced or noncommittal about the existence of deities as well as other matters of religion. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic"

3/13/2006 10:40:39 AM

M.O.B

3/13/2006 11:21:29 AM

^^

oh man

thanks for the illumination through the cut and paste

3/13/2006 12:26:18 PM

Quote :

"Bahá’í, but with some sympathy for atheism and a lot of sympathy for universalism."

what what

3/13/2006 2:56:07 PM

Oh wow this is fun sign me up for Jedi, dark side lollerz

3/13/2006 2:58:12 PM

Christian

3/13/2006 3:18:41 PM

Yeah, I'm surprised there aren't more Jedi around here...

3/13/2006 5:00:31 PM

now that spring break is over & technically it recently turned to spring (even though we have cold weather now vs the 80s we had during winter)... maybe we can get some new blood in this thread and add to the poll as well as get more analysis of the data.

There definitely isn’t enough Greco-Roman Polytheism on this page yet.



Heres Hermes... he was the youngest of the main gods for a while (but later Dionysus was born). He is the messenger god as well as the god of travelers & of thieves.



Before he was even 1 day old he managed to steal the cattle of the gods. He had them walk backwards and wore special shoes to hide his tracks. He even promised the 1 witness that saw him that he would make his garden plentiful if he kept his mouth shut.

Eventually Apollo (the next youngest god at the time, and his older half brother) did some detective work... saw the fake backwards tracks and wasnt fooled, talked to the witness and got the truth out of him, and watched for signs & saw an eagle (a symbol of Zeus) so he knew a son of Zeus was the culprit.

Hermes played the innocent child, lied to his mom, the dectective/police Apollo, and the judge/his father Zeus. Eventually he played a musical instrument he had made that night, showed apollo where the cattle were, and was able to get on good terms with his older half brother. From then on he was in charge of the cattle.

Greek mythology can be fun... there are a few of the storys that read like mystery novels.

3/21/2006 10:23:29 PM

I'm a Christian...Lutheran ELCA

3/21/2006 10:35:31 PM

Quote :

"What does experience matter one iota if as soon as you die you cease to be in every relevant sense of the word? And you're going to have to do better than just saying "but if you experience things it's good" or "you appreciate life more," because you can't appreciate it, because you're dead."

You only get but so much time. Experiences increase the breadth of what you know, what you have the capacity to appreciate. Notice I didn't say the capacity to feign or fake appreciation -- I mean a full spectrum gives you the proper scope and perspective by which to judge and rate mental states in life.

You can't appreciate much after you're dead, sure. That doesn't mean you shouldn't appreciate much when you're alive. Gathering experiences helps you to raise better children. If you're lucky, you can preserve your patterns of behavior in future generations -- this is probably as close to living forever as any of us have.

Does it suck that once we die we cease to exist? Yes, it sure does. Does it make accomplishing much or feeling much seem fleeting and pointless? Yes, it sure does. Welcome to the real world. Unfortunately, wishful thinking about how we'd like things to be don't magically materialize into how things are.

Quote :

"No, what's silly is that acting as though the things religion would typically take out of your life are self-evidently the "good" things that contribute to its "fullness.""

Most religion takes acting naturally out of the equation, and replaces nature with a sense of guilt and fear over what oneself is (conquering man's nature). Caging a man in such a manner squanders what time he DOES have in existence. Religion is such a thorough mindfuck that not only has it caged your being, you defend your cage to the death.

Quote :

"I ask again, what grand standard is it that you have stumbled upon that says a life with regular fucking is more rewarding/fullfilling/etc. than a life with regular prayer or church attendance?"

Like many other sexually starved and frustrated religious fanatics, you have mistaken "full life" with regular fucking. You also presume that the only advantage of abandoning religious life is sex. I don't even need to respond to this level of feigned ignorance. You're smarter than this, and I'm going to give you the credit you've denied yourself.

Most religion -- more specifically, Christianity -- has the main concept of turning nature onto its head. It's supposed to replace "man's nature" with "god's nature". The only funny part of this is, god's nature is unnatural. It's a far fetched, unreachable ideal created by the weak to cripple and devour the strong. It's a standard by which all would be made equal -- equal only in the sense that they have nothing.

Remember -- they need nothing in this (read: the only) world, their treasure is in the next (read: imaginary) world. This is an ancient technique by which the clergy used to keep its thumb on the populace. It's hilarious and sad to see it outlive its usefulness in that sense, and have people actually buying into it now. Christianity is Scientology with a little bit of history and the mists of time to obscure it and make it seem more credible. If it's old, and people have thought it for a while, chances are it's correct, right?

Nothing I said is going to change your mind, because you've firmly rooted yourself in a frame of thinking where you are right by default. Your opinion hasn't been formed by any careful examination of the facts. Your conclusion is enough proof of that.

3/21/2006 11:41:05 PM

its really sad if you think religion limits one's experiences

3/21/2006 11:43:14 PM

it surely doesn't expand it.

3/21/2006 11:52:06 PM

i can have the same experiences you can have
but you cant have the experiences i can have

so it does expand it

3/22/2006 12:07:56 AM

What positive experiences do you have that I cannot have?

add me as athiest.

[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 12:10 AM. Reason : .]

3/22/2006 12:09:31 AM

he has the satisfaction that he will go to heaven, and all other infidels will burn in hell.

3/22/2006 12:10:28 AM

since god doesn't exist

I don't consider delusions of grandeur as positive experiences.

3/22/2006 12:11:33 AM

how do you know if God does or does not exsist?

3/22/2006 12:15:23 AM

because i was playing golf with jesus the other day, and he said it was all a ruse.

3/22/2006 12:17:18 AM

oh

3/22/2006 12:18:09 AM

jesus needs to work on his short game.

3/22/2006 12:18:42 AM

Quote :

"how do you know if God does or does not exsist?"

We don't and can't. This is what makes it a meaningless question.

3/22/2006 12:18:55 AM

as an athiest you can never have any religious experiences, but i can have every experience you can have

religion may all be wrong and all be for nothing, but it certainly isn't limiting one's experiences

3/22/2006 12:21:56 AM

Quote :

"as an athiest you can never have any religious experiences"

I said positive experiences. Besides, I can create a completely bullshit and made up experience you cannot have.

3/22/2006 12:22:45 AM

You can run out and experience everything I can, but then you have to run back and repent. Repentence suggests guilt, fear, and sorriness.

I just don't want to live my life being sorry because I'm a human being.

3/22/2006 12:22:59 AM

here is an experience jonhguth can't have as a believing christian

the experience knowing god doesn't exist.

3/22/2006 12:23:43 AM