^that describes a form of socialism, not the communist system of production

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11/28/2006 10:38:27 AM

So, describe a communist system.

Would there not be a central planning board?

How are you going to appoint managers?

Are firms going to be free to choose their own suppliers?

How will transporters know where to send the results of production?

11/28/2006 1:25:14 PM

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"So, describe a communist system."

I put up a fairly concise description just a few posts ago, if you want any more in depth than that you'll have to read the mountains of other posts where we've had this discussion before.

11/28/2006 1:58:45 PM

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"The system relies on fulfilling needs rather than wants. It removes wants, and in this way trancends economics by making it's question of "how to address unlimited wants with limited resources" no longer relevant."

This is what you were talking about, right? This is not a description of how a system operates. It is a good guess at what but doesn't answer either who, where, or how. As usual, Kris, discussions with you draw nothing more than abstract theory with no basis either derived from nor applicable to reality.

11/28/2006 2:26:22 PM

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"This is not a description of how a system operates."

If you want anymore detail than that you can check the last discussion we had where I explained all of this to you. You are trying to have the exact same arguement we had before, in which you claimed that there would always be a ruling class, that's simply not the case, and I don't plan on having the exact same arguement with you agian.

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"As usual, Kris, discussions with you draw nothing more than abstract theory with no basis either derived from nor applicable to reality."

All things are designed in theory, from businesses to bridges to planes. All are planed out first and then built. What you don't seem to understand is that you can't accurately interpret real situations. Economics is theory, just like math. There's a reason history majors generally don't have a job besides teaching history.

11/28/2006 8:00:12 PM

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"If you want anymore detail than that you can check the last discussion we had where I explained all of this to you."

Perhaps you could provide a link to said information instead of having me locate and justify your responses for you.

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"Economics is theory, just like math."

Hence why you find it impossible to discuss real-world mechanisms; you only have a smatering of theory to draw from and no comprehension of how the actual world behaves. At some point you need to stop quoting theory and pay attention to how things and people actually operate. The statement "you can't accurately interpret real situations" just shows how lost you are.

11/28/2006 8:18:51 PM

it seems like there should be a way that like the government controls everything and somehow like all the money gets dispursed equally to everyone and everyone is a millionairre

i just wish the government would make everyone rich and give us everything we need to be happy

thats my ideal government

11/28/2006 8:29:15 PM

Well, it can easily make everyone a millionaire, it's called debasing the currency. If it takes a million dollars to buy a loaf of bread then everyone will be millionaires!

11/28/2006 8:45:32 PM

no no no...u dont understand

like there needs to be a way the government gives you everything you need, and makes everyone a millionnaire

i'm not talking about debasing, i'm talking about like prices stay the same, we just are all really rich

like i can go on vacation to australia cause i'm rich as a mf, but the trip only costs like 2 grand

11/28/2006 8:47:45 PM

Australia for 2 grand? Can't you do that today? You just need to find a mate to stay with while there and eat vegemite sandwiches the entire time. As it is, who can't muster up 2 grand? The lowest wal-mart salary will get you there in a month or so.

11/28/2006 8:54:41 PM

"cant you do that today"

thats the point...like somehow the us takes over a bunch of shit and all americans have all the money

then they set everyone up for life

11/28/2006 9:05:22 PM

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"Perhaps you could provide a link to said information instead of having me locate and justify your responses for you."

It seems it's been deleted, it was the kris' communism thread, it was probably the last big debate we've had on it.

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"Hence why you find it impossible to discuss real-world mechanisms; you only have a smatering of theory to draw from and no comprehension of how the actual world behaves."

If the world didn't behave in accordance to theory, the theory would be wrong. You can say the theory is wrong, but you can't say that it's correct yet doesn't apply to the real world.

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"you need to stop quoting theory and pay attention to how things and people actually operate"

Oh, use anectdotal evidence.

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"The statement "you can't accurately interpret real situations" just shows how lost you are."

You can't there is just to many factors at play.

11/28/2006 9:58:04 PM