^^ yep, I was about to post the same thing.

Oh and I don't give two shits about what their fans think. They have the WORST and most ignorant fans in all of college athletics. God, they are annoying... Mark my words, they will NEVER enjoy the success in football they had under TOB again. I guarantee it.

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 12:02 PM. Reason : x]

12/7/2006 12:02:26 PM

holy crap the unc fans are flaming the hell out of IC about this. "NC State just got a midlevel coach with midlevel abilities.....he will fit in with them"

12/7/2006 12:02:40 PM

Oh, and by the fucking way, that bar fight you were referring to, the kid was getting heckled for his shitty on the field play and went off on some people. Can you picture Chuck siding with one of his babies when they would do that?

You know what O'Brien did, he suspended the kid INDEFINITELY.

Yea, thats a lack of discipline right there.

Fucking moron.

12/7/2006 12:02:59 PM

faggot.

12/7/2006 12:03:28 PM

as i said, i've talked to BC grads this morning who are extremely upset that o'brien is leaving. so not everyone was on the "firetob" bandwagon.

12/7/2006 12:04:07 PM

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"all-time versus temple, rutgers, uconn, i-aa schools, and any non-bcs program other than byu or boise state: 38 wins 5 losses all-time versus all other schools: 37 wins 39 losses all-time against the ap top 25: 7 wins 21 losses all-time against teams that finished the season in the ap top 25: 4 wins 22 losses all-time against miami, virginia tech, and florida state: 3 win 15 losses all-time conference titles (9 years at bc): 0 those stats were compiled by http://www.firetob.com] [quote] Show me a coach that has better stats than this or has won a BCS conference title, AND wants to coach here. [quote]- this is not only an inter-conference move, but an inter-division move."

So what? We're the fucking bad guys...who cares? Obviously not John Swofford, and BC fans don't.

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"- bc fans are ecstatic. i wonder why?"

Maybe because they are horrible fans. BC had had great years in the past few seasons(compared to historically...compared to NC State, compared to almost anything but top tier programs) and Bc fans have shown little support. I care more about wins than fan opinion.

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"- out outgoing coach, chuck amato (3-9), beat o'brien this year. we won because instead of sealing the game with a short field goal, o'brien decided to try and convert on 4th and 3 with a fullback offtackle play. his fullback was just coming off a shouler injury, and reinjured the same shoulder earlier in the game. this blunder left 42 seconds on the gameclock, and he allowed us to drive the field for a game winning touchdown. "

Yes and coaches should be based on single games. And head to head coaching matchups definitely determine the better coach. Chuck Amato is a better coach than both Tom O'Brian and Bobby Bowden.

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"- a couple of years ago, bc could've gotten a bcs bowl bid (a first for o'brien) by simply beating syracuse, a horrible football team. bc and o'brien choked. "

WE're fucking 3-9. I'll take BCS bowl contention for 100 Alex.

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"- those are examples of what bc fans have dubbed "wtf games". he has a couple of these every year. "

you find me a coach where fans agree 100% with what the coach does and I'll quit TWW.

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"butch davis, unc's new head coach, is 4-0 versuse tom o'brien. unc is our biggest rival, and losing to them has been a primary factor for the firing of our previous two coaches."

Yeah, but when were those 4 games. Just because Butch beat TOB at MIAMI in their hayday doesn't mean Butch will beat TOB at UNC. Last I checked, coaches don't win games, the teams do. Can you even conceed that maybe that 0-4 record against Butch has something to do with the teams they coached?

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"o'brien has no recruiting ties in north carolina nor the southeast. now, he is expected to compete with 4 other division 1a schools in the state, 3 of which are our near neighbors. he'll be hitting the recruiting trails against unc's butch davis, an experienced recruiter of the area; jim grobe, who's wake forest team just won the conference title; philip fulmer (tenn.); steve spurrier (south car.); tommy bowden (clemson); bobby bowden (fsu); mark richt (georgia); and miami's new coach. "

Sounds to me like that's what you might want in a new coach...someone with ties outside NC. Similar to Amato, O'Brien will recruit from other regions along with NC to compete.

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"his lack of charisma and stoic personality isn't going to help him much on the recruiting trails. not saying the guy needs to be boistrious, but he is a saltine cracker."

Right, cause Chuck the Charisma sure won us lots of game in recent years. Charisma isn't everything, and you can't hire a perfect coach. I'll take coaching ability over charisma every time.

I'm stopping here cause I'm tired of this shit. All I see is complaining...no one has yet to come up with a better hire. Your argument about why he is going to suck here is on shaky ground at best.

12/7/2006 12:04:33 PM

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"man, y'all are dense. i've stated my points; as have others. the info is there. this is going to be another herb affair where people have made up their minds, and are going to be stubborn about it."

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 12:05 PM. Reason : ]

12/7/2006 12:04:49 PM

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"^ I'VE BEEN READING THEM FOR YEARS. I DON'T BOOKMARK EVERY BIT. GO LOOK FOR YOURSELF, YOU LAZY MOTHERFUCKER. GO LOOK. SERIOUSLY. SEE WHAT THE MESSAGE BOARDS AND BLOGS ARE SAYING, EVEN THOUGH YOU FEEL THEY'RE AN INVALID BAROMETER. BETTER YET, GO TAKE A TRIP UP TO BOSTON AND TALK TO THE PEOPLE THERE IN PERSON (AS I HAVE)."

I just fucking did. I don't give two shits what Boston College fans think. You think they know shit about football? They cheer for the Eagles because they are too inept to stay up on a pro team and follow them, so they settle for the 'other' team.

You're a shmuck, and so are all the friends you know at BC.

12/7/2006 12:04:52 PM

faggot.

12/7/2006 12:05:27 PM

November 15, 2001

http://bostonsportshub.com/notes_nov01.htm

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"). What is equally frustrating is that coaches like Tom O'Brien do not receive due credit for maintaining discipline within their programs. At Boston College, the coach is not afraid to suspend his best player for the biggest game of the year for leaving campus without permission (a violation of team rules). This move undoubtedly cost him a win over the eventual National Champions."

HAVE I DOMINATED YOU ENOUGH YET? WOULD YOU LIKE SOME MORE OF THIS GOOD OLE FASHIONED TDUB DISCIPLINED ASS REAMING?

12/7/2006 12:07:35 PM

faggot.

12/7/2006 12:07:43 PM

After spending the night helping with the coverage of this, I'm pleased.

Good hire.

12/7/2006 12:11:21 PM

We hired an Irish guy. Irish pride, we cannot lose.

12/7/2006 12:19:06 PM

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"o'brien has no recruiting ties in north carolina nor the southeast"

he was OC at Virginia...i think he has some ties..

12/7/2006 12:21:01 PM

and we wonder why people say we have the worst fans^^^^^

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 12:24 PM. Reason : ]

12/7/2006 12:24:13 PM

He WON in a major conference in the recruiting wasteland that is New England. He always recruited NJ pretty well (which is a hotbed though Schiano might be getting that on lockdown). The draw of our facilities alone will make his classes that much better.

Anyone doubting his ability to coach only needs to look at our respective win/loss records (NCSU versus BCU) and the caliber recruiting classes. This is a MAJOR upgrade and I, for one, am ecstatic about it.

I think it's rather pathetic that people will not give him a chance. I NEVER want to hear any of these people who are saying they want him fired already (which in itsel fis one of the dumber things I've ever seen and I've seen a lot of dumb things) say ANYTHING to anyone who might have a criticism for Coach Lowe. If they do everyone will know they are hypocrites at least..

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 12:26 PM. Reason : x]

12/7/2006 12:24:35 PM

agreed

12/7/2006 12:25:31 PM

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"If O'Brien can win 8-9 games a year at BC, then I would think he could do the same or better here."

It is a good hire..he has experience in the ACC and has a chance to really do well here at State...so stop bitching support the coach and GO PACK

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 12:27 PM. Reason : :]

12/7/2006 12:26:25 PM

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"I personally love this hire. He is a proven winner, and that is what we needed, not some assistant with potential. You people are fucking idiots."

12/7/2006 12:27:00 PM

Imagine if he had the success he's had at BC over the past four years here instead.

It'd be fucking parades and Coach of the Year nominations.

Remember when everyone was marveling that Ralph the Fridge averaged like 30 wins in three years....What about TOB?

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 12:28 PM. Reason : ]

12/7/2006 12:28:09 PM

Parades? hell, raleigh would be a fucking disaster area with 9-3 records.

12/7/2006 12:29:38 PM

it wouldn't surprise me if some of our boosters had been talking to O'Brien since the start of the '06 season

12/7/2006 12:30:01 PM

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"When did nine wins a year not become a great year for NC State? Did we at Pack Pride miss something? When was the last time NC State won nine games during three consecutive seasons? How about never in the history of the school"

per Packpride...I completely agree...how can anyone say that we shouldnt have hired him because he might reach a ceiling that NC State has never reached before...

12/7/2006 12:31:36 PM

haha yeah those stats suck because boston college is NOT a football school, and cant touch what we have here. he managed to take mediocre talent to bowl games. bottom line. his scheduling sucked because he knew his teams werent talented enough to play quality teams week in and week out. this is a good hire

12/7/2006 12:33:32 PM

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"Parades? hell, Raleigh would be a fucking disaster area with 9-3 records."

12/7/2006 12:37:44 PM

I think we're all (the haters) upset for a couple of reasons:

1) He's not Cowher. Dumb as everyone KNEW it was, we all hoped for it just a tiny bit. So it sucks that a Christmas miracle didn't happen to us.

2) He'll never win a NC. For some reason, State fans love hope. It's why we like Sidney better than TOB, thought TOB is likely to have a much higher winning percentage. Face the facts: TOB resembles Herb in the biggest, most painful way: he'll plateau and likely never win the big games. So even when we are at 8-3 w/ a big bowl coming up, UNC fans in the office will still say "Ah, you know TOB can't win big, you guys will never get over the hump."

3) Nothing to look forward to. Sure, we *KNOW* we're gonna win 7, 8, maybe 9 games a year from now 'til kingdom come -- so? Nobody likes to KNOW what you're going to do, escp. if that doesn't end in a NC. There's no surprises in TOB, we basically know precisely what to expect, and we know exactly what not to expect (amazing things, which State fans like to dream for).

I like the hire, simply because none of the other candidates (minus Cowher) could take us to a NC either. We're NC State folks, we aren't Miami or FSU or even Louisville, so we get what we get.

12/7/2006 12:41:05 PM

I'm sure Wake fans (including those I know and have talked to) didn't think Al Grobe would ever win the ACC before this year.

12/7/2006 12:42:27 PM

^^ I can agree with that but how can we as fans be mad about a plateau that the University has never reach before?

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 12:42 PM. Reason : ^^]

12/7/2006 12:42:41 PM

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" Face the facts: TOB resembles Herb in the biggest, most painful way: he'll plateau and likely never win the big games."

NO, you don't know what the fuck he can accomplish now that he is at a better football school with great facilities. Please to stop bitching now ok kthanks.

12/7/2006 12:44:22 PM

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"As SFN noted earlier today, we agree with the apparent decision of the NC State search committee - Tom O’Brien is a better hire than Paul Johnson. And pretty much everyone agreed that Johnson would be a good hire, and clearly an upgrade over Amato."

http://www.statefansnation.com

12/7/2006 12:44:48 PM

^^^^^ ha ha (disaster area). While surprised by the O'Brien hiring, I am happy that we got a successful coach who will hopefully bring us 8-9 win seasons consistently. I support this hire and wish some people would shut the fuck up about this being a bad move.

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 12:46 PM. Reason : a]

12/7/2006 12:45:51 PM

Especially considering we're scraping the bottom of the barrel currently.

I don't give a damn if we use a cupcake schedule. I don't give a damn if fans don't think he can win a NC.

I don't really care about anything else at all, but:

If we get to 9 wins 3 years in a row including a chance at a BCS bowl I'll give Lee Fowler a kiss on the mouth after I do backflips down Hillsborough St.

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 12:47 PM. Reason : ]

12/7/2006 12:46:08 PM

Everybody on here bitchin about O'Brien needs to shut the fuck up. He has proven himself in the ACC and has won six straight bowl games (this leads the nation). He has disciplined football teams and always at least has the opportunity at the end of the season to win the ACC. What in the hell have we had the opportunity at the end of our seasons lately--get a head start on our tremendous recruiting classes--the ones that dont even end up in the top twenty-five. So if you dont support O'Brien just shut the fuck up and don't talk--you are all ingnorant.

12/7/2006 12:46:26 PM

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"you know TOB can't win big, you guys will never get over the hump"

Boston College isn't really a football school and he did well there...

NCSU has awesome facilites and is somewhat a football school (when we win/see rivers), thus the recruiting should go a little better for TOB.

With better players, who knows where we can go.



HOW ABOUT WE GIVE THE GUY A CHANCE BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION!!!
LAST TIME I CHECKED COACH K DIDN'T DO QUITE AS WELL AT NAVY AS HE DID DUKE!!!

12/7/2006 12:48:39 PM

I don't know about you guys, but I'd shit my pants for us to be 9-3. I don't really care about winning a NC because the BCS is bullshit anyways. I just wanna be a winning team and I think TOB will accomplish that.

People will settle down and get right back on the bandwagon like they always do towards the beginning of the season.

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 1:01 PM. Reason : .]

12/7/2006 1:00:12 PM

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 1:02 PM. Reason : V oh well I tried - I don't have photoshop anyway ]

12/7/2006 1:00:40 PM

Grrrrrrrrrrreat photoshop.

12/7/2006 1:01:35 PM

I think the main concern for State fans is the in-state situation. Going 9-3 means that we'll have to compete successfully in recruiting against the other NC ACC schools.

We will still need bigtime athletes at key positions in order to give us the edge in some games.

12/7/2006 1:03:44 PM

you mother fuckers who talk shit about TOB gave a free pass to sidney lowe

you hypocritical sons of bitches

(and i love sidney lowe, i'm just saying most of you are fickle cunts)

12/7/2006 1:04:37 PM

I think the main concern for the unhappy State fans is they can't get their heads out of their asses.

12/7/2006 1:05:00 PM

I DONATE $1000 TO THE WOLFPACK CLUB....I SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED TO HELP IN THE SEARCH AND DECISION!!!!!

12/7/2006 1:07:05 PM

It's never good enough for any of these fucks............

12/7/2006 1:07:34 PM

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"I DONATE $1000 TO THE WOLFPACK CLUB....I SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED TO HELP IN THE SEARCH AND DECISION!!!!! "

Haha. You know this is what some people are thinking. I'm sure a lot of us on here who graduated and have decent jobs donate to WPC... most of us don't feel the need to tell everyone about it like we're some highroller or something. I realize where I am in the pecking order..

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 1:10 PM. Reason : x]

12/7/2006 1:09:40 PM

I will not consider ever donating money, this university has fucked up time and time again...

Fire Fowler and in the future i might consider it

12/7/2006 1:11:07 PM

didn't BC beat Clemson and destroy VT this year?

12/7/2006 1:12:04 PM

^^^We could never even put together a search or compete against UNC without the money coming in so that is appreciated. Heads up: take a look at TOB's recruits just in case any decide to come here. There is a kicker on the list!

12/7/2006 1:19:24 PM

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"It's never good enough for any of these fucks............"

No, and it never will be. But that is what makes NCSU fans great. I like to call us RABID fans. We expect the best. We may bitch and moan but we will be out there every game cheering our guts out for the Red and White.

But I like the hire.

12/7/2006 1:19:36 PM

^^we signed two kickers last year.

12/7/2006 1:21:41 PM

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" But that is what makes NCSU fans great. I like to call us RABID fans. We expect the best. We may bitch and moan but we will be out there every game cheering our guts out for the Red and White. "

give me a break. i always hear people saying this...but then i look at the stats from the michigan-nc state basketball game. after people bitched and bitched about herb...after people said "i cant stand to watch his offense".....after people were BEAMING when he left, we have over 5000 empty seats when we play a nationaly known opponent on national tv. the first true test of year.

boy, thats some awesome support right there!

[Edited on December 7, 2006 at 1:25 PM. Reason : f]

12/7/2006 1:25:25 PM

from pp - not sure if already posted

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"Pre-2006 season report on TOB... From BC Football www: Innovator. Motivator. Disciplinarian. Program rebuilder. Now in his 10th season as the Gregory P. Barber and Family Head Football Coach at Boston College, Tom O'Brien has led the BC football program to new heights by instilling his values of integrity, honesty and hard work. With a record of 66-42, O'Brien is just two wins shy of the school record for most wins by a head coach (Joe Yukica, 68). He became BC's 32nd head football coach in December of 1996 and has since engineered one of the most remarkable turnarounds in recent college football history by building a program that: -Won the American Football Coaches' Association's 2004 Academic Achievement Award with a 100% graduation rate and received Honorable Mention status seven additional times during his tenure. -Was ranked number one in the country by USA Today when the paper re-ordered the final 2005 football Top 25 by APR (Academic Progress Rate) score to measure a combination of athletic and academic success. -Has won nine games for the third time in four years; eight or more games for the fifth year in a row and sixth time in seven years; and seven or more games for a school-record seventh year in a row. -Finished 5-3 in their first year in the Atlantic Coast Conference, tying eventual champion Florida State for first place in the league's Atlantic Division. -Went to a school-record seventh consecutive bowl game and won its sixth in a row (27-21 over Boise State in the 2005 MPC Computers Bowl), the longest active bowl game winning streak in the country. O'Brien's 2005 BC team was the first since 1984 to be ranked in the top 25 in at least one of the two major polls from start to finish. The team finished 17th in the ESPN/USA Today coaches' poll, its highest finish in that poll since 1993 (12th). It finished 18th in the final Associated Press poll, its highest finish in that poll 1993 (13th). The Eagles finished 12th in the final Sagarin rankings, which take into account win/loss record and strength of schedule. According to the rankings, the Eagles played the 22nd-most-difficult schedule in the country in 2005. Only Virginia Tech (5th) finished higher in the Sagarin rankings among ACC teams. The team became the 11th in BC history to win nine or more games in a season; three of those seasons have come under Tom O'Brien. The 2005 senior class won 35 games, the most in the modern era of BC football history. The 35 wins also ties for the best four-year mark in school history (1939-42). The Eagles have now strung together the most successful five, six and seven-year periods in school history. The 2005 Eagles led the ACC in total offense, averaging 387.8 yards per game, and also led the league in rushing defense (90.8 ypg.). Mathias Kiwanuka was named Preseason ACC Player of the Year and Will Blackmon finished his career second on the NCAA's all-time kick return yardage list. BC was one of six Division I-A institutions with a football graduation rate of 90% or better, along with Duke, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Southern Methodist and Southern Mississippi. The 2004 Eagles claimed a share of their first-ever Big East football title, finishing with a league record of 4-2 and an overall 9-3 record, which included an impressive 37-24 win over North Carolina in the Continental Tire Bowl. The team also notched impressive road wins at No. 24 Notre Dame (24-23), the Eagles' fourth consecutive victory over the Irish, and at No. 10 West Virginia (36-17). O'Brien's 2003 team notched impressive road wins over No. 25 Penn State and No. 12 Virginia Tech and finished 8-5 after their 35-21 victory over Colorado State in the Diamond Walnut San Francisco Bowl. The 2002 Eagles finished with a 9-4 record, including a 51-25 win over Toledo in the Motor City Bowl and a victory over the previously undefeated, No. 4 Notre Dame Fighting Irish in Notre Dame Stadium. The 2001 season was a gratifying one for O'Brien as well. BC's stunning 20-16 victory over No. 16 Georgia in the Music City Bowl capped an 8-4 record and a top 25 finish in both major polls for the first time in seven years. The 2000 Eagles posted a record of 7-5 under O'Brien, including an impressive 31-17 win over Arizona State in the Aloha Bowl. In 1999, three years of hard work paid off for O'Brien, his staff and his players as they engineered the third-best turnaround in Division I college football. Led by Minnesota Vikings' first-round draft pick and All-American Hovan, the Eagles registered impressive back-to-back-to-back wins over Syracuse, West Virginia and Notre Dame to finish the regular season with an 8-3 record, a top 25 national ranking and a trip to the Insight.com Bowl -- BC's first bowl appearance since 1994. O'Brien's first two Eagles teams posted 4-7 records that included wins over Georgia Tech and West Virginia. He coached Mike Cloud to the Boston College all-time rushing record and first-team All-America honors. Cloud was a second-round draft pick of the Kansas City Chiefs while center Damien Woody was selected in the first round by the New England Patriots and offensive guard Doug Brzezinski was picked in the third round by the Philadelphia Eagles. When he came to Boston College, O'Brien set out to make his teams champions in the classroom, on the field and in the community. His record in all three areas speaks for itself. On a personal note, O'Brien was recently named to the Board of Directors of the Marine Corps' Toys for Tots Foundation and received the John F. Kennedy Memorial National Award, given to "an outstanding American of Irish descent for distinguished service to God and country" in 2005. Before coming to BC, O'Brien was the coordinator of the record-setting University of Virginia offense for six seasons and a member of the highly regarded Cavaliers' football staff since 1982. Virginia was consistently ranked among the top offensive teams in the Atlantic Coast Conference in recent years. The Cavaliers scored 320 points during the 1996 regular season to become the first ACC team to score at least 300 points in eight consecutive years. A native of Cincinnati, Ohio, O'Brien, 55, played at St. Xavier High School in that city. In 1987, he was inducted into the St. Xavier Athletic Hall of Fame -- one of the youngest graduates ever selected to join fellow alumni such as Baseball Hall-of-Famer Jim Bunning and Notre Dame All-American quarterback George Ratterman in the school's place of honor. He later enjoyed a fine collegiate career at Navy, where he was a three-year starter at defensive end for the Midshipmen from 1968-70. Following his graduation from the Naval Academy in 1971, O'Brien was commissioned as a second lieutenant in the U.S. Marines. He served as an assistant coach for Navy's plebe (freshman) team for one season before being assigned to the Quantico Marine Base in Virginia, where he played on the last Quantico football team. He later served tours of duty in California and Japan. He attained the rank of major in the Marine Corps Reserve. When his active duty ended, O'Brien joined the football staff at Navy where he coached the team's tackles and tight ends for seven years (1975-81). He was also the Mids' recruiting coordinator, and was responsible for All-America and Hall of Fame running back Napoleon McCallum's decision to attend the Naval Academy. O'Brien joined the University of Virginia staff prior to the 1982 campaign. He coached the Cavaliers' guards and centers before being promoted to offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach in the spring of 1991. Following Virginia's 1994 season, he switched from quarterbacks coach to offensive line coach while remaining as offensive coordinator. O'Brien and his wife, the former Jennifer Byrd of San Diego, are the parents of three children: Colleen Frances, a 2002 Boston College graduate who works for ESPN; Daniel Patrick, a 2005 BC graduate who is on the Harvard football staff; and Bridget Jean, also a 2005 BC graduate who will finish a year-long mission with the Rostro de Cristo program in Ecuador this coming year. I believe TOB has a home in South Carolina."

12/7/2006 1:28:37 PM