http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7017

4/26/2007 10:20:38 PM

wal-mart, huh? just like MS getting behind HD-DVD was supposed to win it as the 360 has such a bigger base than the PS3, right?

4/27/2007 1:10:42 AM

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2122715,00.asp
Wal-Mart Shoots Down Cheap HD DVD Rumor

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/04/26/fuh-yuan-retracts-299-wal-mart-hd-dvd-statement/

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200704/07-037E/index.html
Blue Laser Diodes dropping to $8

[Edited on April 27, 2007 at 1:59 AM. Reason : m]

4/27/2007 1:45:35 AM

yeah, if the article i posted is incorrect, then


GAME ON.


I still ain't buying either one until one format is the clear winner.

I really don't care which one it is.

4/27/2007 9:06:27 AM

blu-ray will probably end up 'winning' or things will go dual format

4/27/2007 10:39:11 AM

Quote :

"things will go dual format"

this will be the eventual solution...since blu-ray is the more expensive component and APPEARS to be pulling ahead, it seems to me that they'll eventually just create dual players since adding on hd-dvd capabilities would be relatively cheap

4/27/2007 11:12:44 AM

http://www.betanews.com/article/HD_DVD_Still_Very_Much_in_the_Game/1177544785

Quote :

"HD DVD: 'Still Very Much in the Game' By Ed Oswald, BetaNews April 25, 2007, 9:07 PM The public relations melee between HD DVD and Blu-ray continued Wednesday as supporters of HD DVD were quick to point out their own successes. So far, 998,059 HD DVD discs have been sold, according to the HD DVD Promotional Group. This is about 2,000 shy of the total publicized by Blu-ray on Monday. It also disputed claims that Blu-ray was building an insurmountable lead. "As more HD DVD titles hit the market and as prices for HD DVD hardware continue to drop below the $400 mark, we're seeing more equal week to week movie sales ratios between the formats," a spokesperson told BetaNews. Presales for titles of The Matrix Trilogy and BBC Video's documentary Planet Earth show strength for the format, it argued. In addition, it took issue with the inclusion of PlayStation 3 as a Blu-ray player in overall statistics. When true set-top boxes are compared, HD DVD claims it is still maintaining its 4-to-1 margin over its rival. It explained that it does so because it's easier to compare attach rates with similar hardware. "Bottom line is that HD DVD is staying focused across the board on creating great products at great prices," the spokesperson added. "

Also of note:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117963616.html?categoryid=20&cs=1

Quote :

"Envisioneering Group senior analyst Richard Doherty concludes, "The longer these guys battle now, the more that Bill Gates, networked media, personal video recorders and satellite become the rival format to high-definition DVD. Hard disc drives and fast network connections win in that scenario, not HD DVD or Blu-ray.""

[Edited on April 27, 2007 at 11:54 AM. Reason : .]

4/27/2007 11:50:41 AM

While obviously not every user of a PS3 will use the blu-ray player for movies, to not count a single one is a pretty funny way to skew the statistics in your favor.

4/27/2007 1:48:33 PM

I guess he wasn't so quick to point out that Blu-Ray has been around for a lot less time than HD-DVD and if they were having such great success, they wouldn't already be behind BR after just 5 real months of BR sales.

4/27/2007 2:25:18 PM

lol that's why i don't think hd will 'win'

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"405 nm (blue-violet laser)"

they both use the same laser folks... just have different ways of using it... (bluray denser and faster)

[Edited on April 27, 2007 at 3:01 PM. Reason : s]

4/27/2007 2:57:41 PM

blu-ray has more titles though.

i think it says a lot for HD-DVD that they are not far behind with fewer titles to offer.

4/27/2007 3:00:08 PM

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"While obviously not every user of a PS3 will use the blu-ray player for movies, to not count a single one is a pretty funny way to skew the statistics in your favor."

Quote :

"I guess he wasn't so quick to point out that Blu-Ray has been around for a lot less time than HD-DVD and if they were having such great success, they wouldn't already be behind BR after just 5 real months of BR sales."

while both of these statements are true, they are only applicable in a small sense. consider this, PS3 is not the mainstream DVD market. if you look at the mainstream DVD market, which format are they choosing? obviously you are going to look at the number of standalone players sold.

going back to this quote:

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"Happy Feet [DVD], which moved over 4 million units that week alone"

It's estimated that ~1.1 million PS3's have been sold since launch (in US ~5 months). Even if each person owned FOUR blu-ray DVD's that's clearly not even a drop in the bucket when compared to how many DVD's the "general public" purchase in a week.

I'm not for either format, just playing devil's advocate...

Honestly this isn't over by a LONG SHOT. The real victor is who wins the price war.

[Edited on April 27, 2007 at 4:37 PM. Reason : .]

4/27/2007 4:36:44 PM

^ Last I read the PS3 was the highest rated blu-ray player for quality, easy of use, etc and was also the cheapest so I think people have been effectively buying it as a stand alone player. But this is not really something that can be easily measured so who knows how much that actually happens.

Also your sales statistic is pretty off for PS3s but I understand the point you are trying to make (DVD sales are so much higher right now).

4/27/2007 4:47:09 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17843456/

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"NPD, the research group, estimates that about 1.1m PS3 consoles have been sold in the US in the first four months since launch,"

latest #'s I could find on PS3 total sales in US, because i was under the impression the 4-million stat came from the US version of Happy Feet DVD, but i have no basis for that

[Edited on April 27, 2007 at 4:52 PM. Reason : .]

4/27/2007 4:52:02 PM

^ Oh, I missed the part that you were talking about US only. If so that is probably right.

4/27/2007 5:20:41 PM

BluRay has all the content people want at a price they'll tolerate.

HD-DVD has their players at a slightly more tolerate price point.

4/27/2007 6:46:19 PM

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""NPD, the research group, estimates that about 1.1m PS3 consoles have been sold in the US in the first four months since launch,""

how many of those sat on Ebay for 4 months.

4/27/2007 8:06:19 PM

Quote :

"It's estimated that ~1.1 million PS3's have been sold since launch (in US ~5 months)"

wrong...its 1.84 million

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070427/ap_on_hi_te/japan_nintendo

Quote :

"Sony has sold just 1.84 million PlayStation 3 machines so far worldwide, while Microsoft has shipped more than 10 million Xbox 360 consoles worldwide."

4/27/2007 8:14:15 PM

^we know you can't read so thanks for reassureing us. WORLDWIDE

Quote :

"Sony has sold just 1.84 million PlayStation 3 machines so far worldwide, while Microsoft has shipped more than 10 million Xbox 360 consoles worldwide.""

Quote :

"It's estimated that ~1.1 million PS3's have been sold since launch (in US ~5 months)""

[Edited on April 27, 2007 at 8:27 PM. Reason : fda]

4/27/2007 8:27:04 PM

oh i thought he was saying that it had been released for 5 months in the us...my b

4/27/2007 8:30:28 PM

all dvd sales =! HD - BluRay contest

4/30/2007 8:52:46 AM

people w/o high def are trying to say its pointless.

like i said earlier i got the hd dvd drive for my xbox because its the cheapest 1080p source i could get.

4/30/2007 9:42:36 AM

^ I have a high def TV and I say its pointless.

4/30/2007 2:51:29 PM

1080p?

4/30/2007 3:53:05 PM

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" I have a high def TV and an hd-dvd 360 drive i will sell to someone and I say its pointless."

[Edited on April 30, 2007 at 6:28 PM. Reason : .]

4/30/2007 6:25:56 PM

Quote :

"I have a high def TV and I say its pointless."

4/30/2007 6:28:32 PM

I am not sure what this thread is about anymore.

4/30/2007 11:03:11 PM

I'm guessing I will just wait for a few months until I try and decide whether to buy hd-dvd or blu-ray. I really wish one would just bow out for my sake, or at least get the 360 or ps3 to get a dual player

5/2/2007 8:43:41 AM

you have to get a 360 and a plug in accessory box to play hd-dvd content....

it is not built in

5/2/2007 3:07:24 PM

I know, either way it would cost about the same for a 360 elite w/hd-dvd or ps3, within 100 at least

5/2/2007 3:13:59 PM

I haven't been paying attention to any of this. Who's winning the format war?

5/22/2007 4:06:55 PM

yeah but that external hd dvd player will also work for you pc too.

5/22/2007 4:17:20 PM

^^bluray is

5/22/2007 6:08:34 PM

i for one am happy bluray is winning...mostly cause it seemed like most wolfwebbers were going with the 360 before the ps3 was released

5/22/2007 6:18:34 PM

You don't make any sense man

5/22/2007 7:15:23 PM

Turning this thread into a PS3 vs 360 argument is retarded.

This statement:

Quote :

"it seemed like most wolfwebbers were going with the 360 before the ps3 was released"

Is like retarded times infinity.

5/22/2007 8:16:09 PM

I wonder what the margin is going to look like after the PoC movies finally hit the stores (on blu-ray)...

5/22/2007 9:44:10 PM

There have been rumblings recently that Universal is thinking about jumping ship (the HD-DVD exclusivity ship, that is). It would make sense for them financially, b/c I'm sure they can make a lot more money off Blu-Ray sales than whatever incentive they're getting to remain HD-DVD exclusive.

I hope this is true b/c there are lots of good Universal movies. If they do, it's basically lights out for HD-DVD.

5/23/2007 11:23:31 AM

^ riiiight

5/23/2007 11:32:10 AM

very constructive, A++

5/23/2007 12:09:28 PM

very ps3 fanboy A+++++

5/23/2007 12:21:36 PM

honest-to-goodness, i hate blu-ray just because it's sony and sony, as a company in regards to their customers, hates every single one of us

hd-dvd players are still waaaaaaaaaay cheaper than blu-ray, but $vermont when you can't even afford (or refuse to pay) $rhodeisland is a moot point, to say nothing of $missouri

5/23/2007 12:30:22 PM

if assassin's creed doesn't come out on 360 or is significantly better on Ps3 due to the larger storage of a Blu-ray Disc i may be purchasing a ps3 soon.

5/23/2007 12:40:44 PM

MOODY said:

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"very ps3 fanboy A+++++"

umm.... who said anything about the ps3? My post was about the availability of Universal releases on Blu-Ray, you might wanna go back and re-read.

5/23/2007 12:52:07 PM

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"if assassin's creed doesn't come out on 360"

are they thinking about pulling it from 360? i've preordered it already

5/23/2007 2:07:23 PM

sucks for all the people that thought blu-ray was gonna lose this

[Edited on May 23, 2007 at 2:56 PM. Reason : but i'm a "ps3 fanboy"]

5/23/2007 2:56:13 PM

Even if Blu-Ray is winning, it's still winning a miniscule market share.

It's kind of like being President of a third-world country. Sure, you're President, but by and large, no one cares.

5/23/2007 6:47:40 PM

Everything i've seen said that blu-ray was winning, but it isn't anywhere NEAR an insurmountable margin. In other words, the "fight" isn't even close to being over yet.

5/23/2007 7:18:07 PM

^ and ^^ are right, but i kind of want blu-ray just for the pirates movies

5/23/2007 11:34:41 PM

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