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"^ Blather--as usual. "

4/29/2008 1:34:39 PM

I think it's very presumptuous to assume Missouri (11), Colorado (8), Ohio (21), and maybe the Dakotas (6) are gimmes for McCain. Very.

In fact, one could argue that Virginia (13) and Louisiana (9) are in play.

That map is one hell of a reach. You may be right and you have I'd warrant an equals chance of being completely off.

4/29/2008 1:36:51 PM

^ It's a map of 2000.

4/29/2008 1:38:33 PM

i said a THOUGHTFUL response.

4/29/2008 1:39:09 PM

Oh.


My bad.

4/29/2008 1:39:59 PM

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"did you mean 150,000?"

hmmm...every single state in the country has more than 150,000 people so no i guess i meant 150,000,000

4/29/2008 1:40:52 PM

a little over 100 million voted in 2000 (and in case you were keeping track, al gore got more of those votes)

and i'm still waiting for a thoughtful response. you can rip me to shreds for all i care.

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 1:44 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2008 1:41:44 PM

^ I will respond about my questions when someone gives a meaningful response to those questions.

4/29/2008 1:50:12 PM

how was my response not meaningful?

4/29/2008 1:52:20 PM

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/04/they-hate-him-by-tristero-wow-do-they.html

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"They Hate Him by tristero Wow, do they ever: (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/29/us/politics/29watc.html?hp) The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. has wriggled out... Let's stop right there, people. On its front page, The New York Times has just compared Jeremiah Wright to a snake (and it's downhill from there). I sincerely doubt anyone can find over the past 7 years, say, a similar characterization of a white religious leader of Wright's stature in the news sections of the Times, the Washington Post, the Boston Globe, or any other mainstream daily newspaper, including the Wall Street Journal. Did even a phony like Randall Terry "wriggle" into the spotlight recently when he exploited the hapless Schiavo family? When was the last time anyone can recall the late, unlamented Jerry Falwell described this way by the New York Times? Or Pat Robertson? Or James Dobson? Was John Hagee, McCains bff who loathes Catholics so described? Now, why do you think that is? It's not because they're conservative. The mainstream media is respectful to all religious leaders. Except when they're black. Put another way, the mainstream press just proved one of Wright's seemingly most preposterous and narcissistic points. These really aren't attacks on him, but rather on the black church. What Wright calls the "corporate media" wouldn't dare characterize a white preacher like this. Ever. Dismayingly, you can feel the panic amongst we liberals. Bob Herbert devotes an entire column heaping contempt on Wright for attempting to "bury" Barack Obama. Salon's editor "regrets" that she didn't realize just how narcissistic Wright really is and hastily convened a panel of "experts" to address the urgent question: What should Obama do about Rev. Jeremiah Wright? And guess what most of them suggest? Get some "distance!" What?!!??! They seriously think Obama can "minimize" the issue of race if only Jeremiah Wright will shut the hell up! Todd Gitlin, someone who I often disagree with, is one of the rare exceptions:: Obama should say that he no more associates himself with Wright's remarks than John McCain (by his own say-so) agrees with John Hagee about Satanic Catholics or righteous Armageddon. He should remind his interlocutors that McCain went looking for Hagee's endorsement while he, Obama, did not do the same with Wright. He should also repeat that he's running for president, and that therefore he wants to talk about the awful Iraq war, the awful economy, the awful Bush years and the danger of extending them with McCain. He should say all this with a smile and his customary grace. Damn straight, especially the ironicaly-mentioned "customary grace." Assuming that Obama is the nominee, Republicans will make this a one issue campaign: the color of the next president's skin. Oh, they'll do it mostly with dog whistles, but they'll do it. More overtly, McCain's ad in NC (which, wink wink, he had nothing to do with and actually deplored) was just a trial balloon, a proof of concept. The issue is race, stupid, Wright or not. Democrats and liberals have two choices. They can do as they've done for years with hot button issues, seek to minimize the conversation and change the subject. Well, maybe, just maybe Wright'll go away. But the issue won't. And Obama might very well lose. Not because of Wright's "monomania" (to use another canard from Stanley's article), but because liberals and Democrats are too ashamed of their own slightly crazed grandpas-in-the-attic to understand how important it is to defend them (needless to say, GOPers understand very well). This summer and fall, America will indeed have a conversation about race and the Republicans will make it a nasty, vicious one. The other alternative is not to run for cover but take a stand. If Republicans want to put race front and center - and trust me, they do so want and they will - then be prepared to confront them on it. I'd suggest starting with Katrina, reminding the country that McCain was doling out cake while his fellow Americans were drowning in shit-filled waters, imploring their government to help them. In truth the rightwing doesn't have a gouty leg to stand on when it comes to race, unless Democrats are prepared to provide them with the crutch of refusing to address the issue forthrightly. What the Republicans (and their media enablers) are really saying is that Jeremiah Wright is evidence that blacks aren't "ready to govern." Rest assured that if it wasn't Wright, they would just find someone else's words to distort, someone just as unsettling to "the American people" to hang around Obama's neck. And yes, that is exactly what is going on right now: Republicans are seeking to lynch Obama by using Wright as the rope. And with or without this particular rope, they're still going to find a way to lynch Obama (if we continue to let them). The more that Democrats and liberals seek to "distance" themselves from the issue of race - which is what Wright is all about, not that some of his ideas or batty, or he's a raging egomaniac - the tauter the noose. --- Note: Since the msm has decided that Jeremiah Wright is the new Scott Ritter - ie,, that Wright's an uncouth jerk that no one needs to listen to - you can expect a full court character assassination, as if Wright were the issue rather than race. So let's not forget that while Ritter may not be someone you'd like to spend your leisure time getting to know, he was quite right about Iraq and WMD's when all the classy folks were perfectly happy to be bamboozled by Bush's carny barkers. Of course, there is much I don't like about Wright - you can start with his defense of Farrakhan and go from there - but that is hardly the point. He was made into a campaign issue - and thereby given a national voice - by Republicans and a media who deliberately distorted his words. These are the very same people who had no trouble excusing Huckabee's enthusiastic effort to release a serial rapist and his anti-science initiatives as governor. And who, right now, are burying McCain's actively sought support of a Catholic-hating pastor. Some of Wright's ideas are rotten, but hardly more so than those preached at Bob Jones. What's different is the way those ideas are portrayed and that portrayal - which seeks to link Wright to Obama - stinks of bigotry. This is an unavoidable issue and shame on those who think it shouldn't be raised in this context or can be finessed in general. It will be raised again and again and Obama will lose ground until liberals fight back tooth and nail rather than try to distance themselves."

4/29/2008 2:06:52 PM

heh obamas camp just threw rev. wright under the bus and train and then flushed him down the toilet. lol

obama's camp just basically made a statement telling wright to STFU and leave. lol. i wonder what wright will do now. lol @ all this.

4/29/2008 2:11:21 PM

link?

4/29/2008 2:13:05 PM

turn on any news channel

it's not on the internets yet as far as i've found

4/29/2008 2:14:50 PM

i'm at work/school (one in the same really)

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 2:16 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2008 2:15:52 PM

why thank you for that information

somebody is bound to find it soon though. settle down.

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 2:16 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2008 2:16:28 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D90BM7UG1&show_article=1

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"HICKORY, N.C. (AP) - Democrat Barack Obama says he was outraged by the comments of his former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and saddened by the spectacle of his appearance on Monday. Wright said Monday that criticism surrounding his fiery sermons is an attack on the black church. Obama told reporters Tuesday that Wright's comments do not accurately portray the perspective of the black church. Obama said, "I am outraged by the comments that were made and saddened by the spectacle that we saw yesterday." Wright's incendiary comments have dogged Obama's presidential campaign. "

Wow pretty incredible. Obama could've thrown Wright under the bus earlier... but he stayed by him. Yesterday, Wright threw Obama under. Incredible.

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 2:18 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2008 2:18:06 PM

It's on cnn.com now

4/29/2008 2:18:18 PM

HAHAHAA liberals, what now? Now your guy has the same problem with Wright that the rest of us "racist white republicans" had with him... his mouth.

4/29/2008 2:19:13 PM

^gg

that seems really short. i just remember one of them saying that obama agrees with nothing the rev. wright is saying


lol @ you people(left wing nuts) loving obama and wright at the same time

4/29/2008 2:19:36 PM

I am loving this. Incredible.

4/29/2008 2:22:13 PM

Interesting. I am impressed by the linguistic critique of Wright's speech. He did make many mistakes. As noted earlier, his suggesting an essential difference between races is most troubling. Still, I don't really understand this reaction from the Obama camp. Wright had plenty of good points along with the errors. Perhaps Obama's advisers simply told him enough was enough. Wright does seem to be hurting Obama politically.

4/29/2008 2:22:57 PM

great. now that the repubs and democrats are divided

and the democrats themselves are divided into 2 groups.

now it's gonna be black vs. black democrats dividing soon

this is just shredding obamas campaign to pieces. unbelievable

4/29/2008 2:23:14 PM

He's done. The DNC can no more allow Obama to be their candidate than they would to willfully concede the election.

They will get Hillary in, one way or another. And this move will be viewed as tragically racist by the establishment black population as well as the 50% of the democratic populous that voted for Obama. This will result in record low turnout for the Democrats in November.

I cannot believe that John McCain has so easily won this election.

4/29/2008 2:25:17 PM

*crickets*

4/29/2008 2:26:29 PM

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!1 You dumb motherfuckers! I fucking told you, you stupid shitheads!

4/29/2008 2:26:53 PM

just keep believing that.

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"AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!1 You dumb motherfuckers! I fucking told you, you stupid shitheads! "

suspend?

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 2:27 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2008 2:27:03 PM

Oh, not a doubt about it. The DNC is probably gonna go into lockdown mode soon and get either a new candidate and drop these 2 or vote Hillary.

It's over. Even NC obamas last big states governor has endorsed Hillary. Unfrickingbelievable.

4/29/2008 2:27:09 PM

McCain ain't in charge yet.

Don't be so presumptuous.

4/29/2008 2:27:31 PM

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"It's over. Even NC obamas last big states governor has endorsed Hillary. Unfrickingbelievable."

that's why even in the latest poll (taken yesterday) has obama up 12 points?

4/29/2008 2:28:18 PM

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"McCain ain't in charge yet. Don't be so presumptuous."

I just don't see how this bodes will for the democrats. This is disastrous. If this is any indication of how they will plan to run the country, then my God, please don't let them be elected.

4/29/2008 2:28:56 PM

from 20 points up a week ago. lols.


none of this suprises me.

4/29/2008 2:28:58 PM

We still have a while before the election. It's far too early to call things either way.

4/29/2008 2:30:34 PM

and a 14 pt lead (i was actually wrong about 12) equates obama losing the nomination now?

4/29/2008 2:30:36 PM

I predict a virtual Clinton and Obama tie. Then the DNC will opt for a new candidate as they are able to do and have been talking about for some time now.

4/29/2008 2:30:56 PM

okay. too bad that will never happen. it's not 1950 anymore

4/29/2008 2:32:11 PM

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"suspend?"

Suspend me for what, sorryjewels? Being right about Reverend Wrong? Your sour grapes are certainly unbecoming.

In any event, the fact of the matter is that Obama has thrown Reverend Wrong under the train--forget the bus. And all of you that defended this nutball are standing out there with your thumbs in your asses looking like total idiots. GG!

I can't wait for Reverend Wrong's response.

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 2:35 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2008 2:33:58 PM

This news of Obama saying his ex-pastor made him angry with some of his remarks is making some of you anti-Obama kids too happy. It really isn't a big deal, it just allowed Obama to distance himself even further from someone who he didn't have all that much to do with in the first place.

Now all the people who let rev wright scare them (lol) can see that Obama is even more distanced now than before, and this will probably end up helping him out in the election.

Look at how excited some of you got! lol - this rev wright controversy is just politics for idiots

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 2:34 PM. Reason : ]

4/29/2008 2:34:01 PM

prepare for DNC jihad!

4/29/2008 2:35:26 PM

^^^so unprovoked ad homs are cool now? only fools fall back on such hackery.

^do you even know what jihad means?


[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 2:37 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2008 2:36:30 PM

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"It really isn't a big deal, it just allowed Obama to distance himself even further from someone who he didn't have all that much to do with in the first place."

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"I can no more disown Reverened Wright than I can disown the black community"

If he didn't have all that much to do with him in the first place, he could've quelled this a lot earlier than now... like 20 years ago.

4/29/2008 2:37:31 PM

constant misrepresentations of wright forced obama's hand. i am upset at obama for doing this. but unfortunately it will probably help him in the long run. people were itching for him to throw his pastor under the bus. i'm still waiting for the transcript of obama's remarks today. i don't have access to video right now.

4/29/2008 2:38:53 PM

^x5 That's just about the most naive take on this I can imagine. Keep telling yourself that bullshit if it helps you sleep at night.

Obama did this because he knows Reverend Wrong can and is sinking him. Believe it.

PS: Your "(lol)" seems nervous and weak.

^^^ Now sorryjewels wants to debate the meaning of "jihad." Changing the subject? So soon?

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 2:41 PM. Reason : .]

4/29/2008 2:40:53 PM

don't worry. i've gotten back to the topic at hand (and without calling anyone names!)

4/29/2008 2:43:15 PM

yeh this is going to finish obama. let hillary take a few shots at this and you've got DNC all out civil war.

UNITY CHANGE PROSPERITY

4/29/2008 2:45:14 PM

believe that if it will make you sleep better at night. i don't buy it.

4/29/2008 2:46:34 PM

Finish Obama? How so? It seems to be a blow, but I doubt it'll end the contest. We'll see soon.

4/29/2008 2:46:40 PM

You guys are so damn catty. You think this changes the course of the election? Hellz no.

I think it's great that he did this b/c Wright was out of control. Why do you think him throwing him over the bus at this point all of a sudden makes this a problem with the DNC exactly? Calm down, holy shit you guys are positively giddy at any thing you think has Obama's train flying off the tracks. That ain't happening here thats for sure.

Also, for the record Easley is a freaking moron and had been silently supporting Hillary anyway. He's done effectively nothing for NC since he's been in office and is on his way out. Not suprising the two running for gov now (Perdue and Moore) both endorse Obama.

Barack picked up two SD endorsements and 2 yesterday and has narrowed the gap by only 19 right now. Expalin to me how this changes anything?

4/29/2008 2:51:22 PM

here are the photos streaming out of the DNC live:

4/29/2008 2:53:30 PM

These same idiots have been saying Obama's been finished for months, they think every bit of negative press will finish him. so....

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"Keep telling yourself that bullshit if it helps you sleep at night. "

^ hey look, rat is making a fool out of himself again

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 2:55 PM. Reason : ]

4/29/2008 2:55:14 PM

RCP Average 04/26 - 04/28 -- 50.3 40.0 Obama +10.3

only a 10 point spread here, and wright hasn't had a chance to respond.

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"Keep telling yourself that bullshit if it helps you sleep at night."

4/29/2008 2:57:45 PM