RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

11/13/2008 5:38:06 PM

^^ nice response. way to address anything I said.

11/13/2008 5:49:50 PM

oh i thought you were actually trying to sound ignorant. my bad.

so what you were saying is that obama's mother was white, his father was...arab? i'm confused.

11/13/2008 6:00:07 PM

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"no one wants these assholes cheapening our degrees"

from a few pages back, I'm catching up on the thread


if anything, the university caving in and expelling these morons for NOT committing any crimes just because there was pressure from outside sources would be more cheapening to my degree than the actual act in the first place

I can't wait to see that "free expression" tunnel in a few years

11/15/2008 12:21:56 AM

i wouldn't mind my degree costing less

11/15/2008 12:23:01 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081116/ap_on_re_us/obama_racial;_ylt=AkIcv.LA2a8_LDf.iUMM38es0NUE

awesome...we made a yahoo news story

11/16/2008 1:50:00 AM

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"I can't wait to see that "free expression" tunnel in a few years"

There will be like 20 big stamps of positive and uplifting words that you stamp on the wall.


Feel free to express yourself!

11/16/2008 1:58:32 AM

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"if anything, the university caving in and expelling these morons for NOT committing any crimes just because there was pressure from outside sources would be more cheapening to my degree than the actual act in the first place "

There's pressure from inside sources too.

I can see reasons why they shouldn't be expelled, but I wouldn't have the tiniest issue if they actually WERE expelled, would you? There seems to be more than enough grounds under the university policies to expel someone for this.

11/16/2008 3:17:15 AM

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"while I don't agree with spray painting that on the wall (bad morals).... It amazes me that hate speech is only considered when it is against minorities, but never against whites. I'm willing to bet if McCain was elected and cracker, etc were spray painted on there, nothing would have ever been said."

won the fuck out of this thread.

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"obama's mother was white, his father was..."

from Alego, Kenya, so I don't think anyone in the US would have owned his ancestors, much less been able to "lynch" them.

11/16/2008 4:59:52 AM

oh, and the people in the student senate that want to pass that "measure" are complete retards.

11/16/2008 5:00:44 AM

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" I can see reasons why they shouldn't be expelled, but I wouldn't have the tiniest issue if they actually WERE expelled, would you? There seems to be more than enough grounds under the university policies to expel someone for this. "

are you flippin serious? that is ridiculous.

11/16/2008 5:25:03 AM

Censorship is pretty much dumb... at least on a college campus.

Honestly, kiddies, grow up and learn to handle your own damn self.

11/16/2008 5:29:03 AM

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"Just get used to your rights, including freedom of speech, being taken away. The gov't has been taking it slowly over the past 100 years, in small sugar-coated packages that are easier for voters to swallow. Why should the gov't funded university be any different?"

Agreed.

And also, if McCain HAD won, who here actually thinks THE SECRET SERVICE would be investigating ANY "hate crime" (calling spray painting a wall that is designated FOR spray painting a crime is beyond me.) if folks had used their first amendment right to speak (or spray paint) hate messages about him? I'm sure it even happened before the election... Did we hear anything about it? Does anyone here really think we would??

What "CRIME" was committed here?? It was paint on a wall... Sticks and stones people come on....

11/16/2008 8:36:20 AM

I'll actually be pretty ashamed that I went to State if these kids get expelled over this.

11/16/2008 8:44:00 AM

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"Totals: Yes-13 No-38 Sent to select committee and the chamber is emptying."

so what does this mean?

oh and btw

11/16/2008 8:47:41 AM

these people deserve to get expelled simply for being complete idiots.

11/16/2008 9:40:48 AM

first i've seen of this on a national level:

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"Election spurs 'hundreds' of race threats, crimes Nov 15, 2:21 PM (ET) By JESSE WASHINGTON Cross burnings. Schoolchildren chanting "Assassinate Obama." Black figures hung from nooses. Racial epithets scrawled on homes and cars. Incidents around the country referring to President-elect Barack Obama are dampening the postelection glow of racial progress and harmony, highlighting the stubborn racism that remains in America. From California to Maine, police have documented a range of alleged crimes, from vandalism and vague threats to at least one physical attack. Insults and taunts have been delivered by adults, college students and second-graders. There have been "hundreds" of incidents since the election, many more than usual, said Mark Potok, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate crimes. One was in Snellville, Ga., where Denene Millner said a boy on the school bus told her 9-year-old daughter the day after the election: "I hope Obama gets assassinated." That night, someone trashed her sister-in-law's front lawn, mangled the Obama lawn signs, and left two pizza boxes filled with human feces outside the front door, Millner said. She described her emotions as a combination of anger and fear. "I can't say that every white person in Snellville is evil and anti-Obama and willing to desecrate my property because one or two idiots did it," said Millner, who is black. "But it definitely makes you look a little different at the people who you live with, and makes you wonder what they're capable of and what they're really thinking." Potok, who is white, said he believes there is "a large subset of white people in this country who feel that they are losing everything they know, that the country their forefathers built has somehow been stolen from them." Grant Griffin, a 46-year-old white Georgia native, expressed similar sentiments: "I believe our nation is ruined and has been for several decades and the election of Obama is merely the culmination of the change. "If you had real change it would involve all the members of (Obama's) church being deported," he said. Change in whatever form does not come easy, and a black president is "the most profound change in the field of race this country has experienced since the Civil War," said William Ferris, senior associate director of the Center for the Study of the American South at the University of North Carolina. "It's shaking the foundations on which the country has existed for centuries." "Someone once said racism is like cancer," Ferris said. "It's never totally wiped out, it's in remission." If so, America's remission lasted until the morning of Nov. 5. The day after the vote hailed as a sign of a nation changed, black high school student Barbara Tyler of Marietta, Ga., said she heard hateful Obama comments from white students, and that teachers cut off discussion about Obama's victory. Tyler spoke at a press conference by the Georgia chapter of the NAACP calling for a town hall meeting to address complaints from across the state about hostility and resentment. Another student, from a Covington middle school, said he was suspended for wearing an Obama shirt to school Nov. 5 after the principal told students not to wear political paraphernalia. The student's mother, Eshe Riviears, said the principal told her: "Whether you like it or not, we're in the South, and there are a lot of people who are not happy with this decision." Other incidents include: Four North Carolina State University students admitted writing anti-Obama comments in a tunnel designated for free speech expression, including one that said: "Let's shoot that (N-word) in the head." Obama has received more threats than any other president-elect, authorities say. _At Standish, Maine, a sign inside the Oak Hill General Store read: "Osama Obama Shotgun Pool." Customers could sign up to bet $1 on a date when Obama would be killed. "Stabbing, shooting, roadside bombs, they all count," the sign said. At the bottom of the marker board was written "Let's hope someone wins." _Racist graffiti was found in places including New York's Long Island, where two dozen cars were spray-painted; Kilgore, Texas, where the local high school and skate park were defaced; and the Los Angeles area, where swastikas, racial slurs and "Go Back To Africa" were spray painted on sidewalks, houses and cars. _Second- and third-grade students on a school bus in Rexburg, Idaho, chanted "assassinate Obama," a district official said. _University of Alabama professor Marsha L. Houston said a poster of the Obama family was ripped off her office door. A replacement poster was defaced with a death threat and a racial slur. "It seems the election brought the racist rats out of the woodwork," Houston said. _Black figures were hanged by nooses from trees on Mount Desert Island, Maine, the Bangor Daily News reported. The president of Baylor University in Waco, Texas said a rope found hanging from a campus tree was apparently an abandoned swing and not a noose. _Crosses were burned in yards of Obama supporters in Hardwick, N.J., and Apolacan Township, Pa. _A black teenager in New York City said he was attacked with a bat on election night by four white men who shouted 'Obama.' _In the Pittsburgh suburb of Forest Hills, a black man said he found a note with a racial slur on his car windshield, saying "now that you voted for Obama, just watch out for your house." Emotions are often raw after a hard-fought political campaign, but now those on the losing side have an easy target for their anger. "The principle is very simple," said BJ Gallagher, a sociologist and co-author of the diversity book "A Peacock in the Land of Penguins.""If I can't hurt the person I'm angry at, then I'll vent my anger on a substitute, i.e., someone of the same race." "We saw the same thing happen after the 9-11 attacks, as a wave of anti-Muslim violence swept the country. We saw it happen after the Rodney King verdict, when Los Angeles blacks erupted in rage at the injustice perpetrated by 'the white man.'" "It's as stupid and ineffectual as kicking your dog when you've had a bad day at the office," Gallagher said. "But it happens a lot." "

some pretty fucked up stuff in that story.

11/16/2008 6:38:21 PM

Barack Lesnar

[Edited on November 16, 2008 at 6:40 PM. Reason : s]

11/16/2008 6:40:34 PM

The motion to fast track was an attempt to push her bill to be voted/debated on today. It failing, means that, like any other bill at first reading that isn't fast tracked, will be sent to a committee to look at, and potentially improve the bill. being that this issue could have been pushed into several different standing committees, a select committee was formed with members from each of the committees that it is covered in.

Odds are the bill will either be greatly improved or die in committee. If the bill stays as is it wouldn't have passed. (which is why it was really stupid that the senator who wrote the bill got butthurt when it didn't get fast tracked)

11/16/2008 6:45:15 PM

I just saw the new version of the bill and like it a lot better. It's less of a history lesson and more of a "these kids didn't do anything criminal but it's still kinda fucked up so lets give them community service and shit like that" bill.

11/17/2008 7:11:36 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20081117/ts_csm/aaryan;_ylt=Ak9nY92E7Ou8RONqeyny5Zus0NUE

We got mentioned in another national story.

11/17/2008 7:36:16 AM

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"NAACP wants to meet with Wake DA, Bowles over graffiti State NAACP President Rev. William Barber Posted: Today at 4:09 p.m. Updated: 24 minutes ago Raleigh, N.C. — The NAACP on Tuesday decried what it labeled a "tepid response" by North Carolina State University officials to racist messages about President-elect Barack Obama that were spray-painted in the campuses "Free Expression Tunnel." The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People called for a meeting with University of North Carolina President Erskine Bowles to express concerns about "the apparent lack of policy and aggressive action regarding hate crimes and acts on at least some of the 16 campuses in the system." While some students painted pro-Obama messages in N.C. State's tunnel on the night of Nov. 4, racist graffiti was there early Nov. 5, campus police said. Two of the messages said: "Let's shoot that (N-word) in the head" and "Hang Obama by a noose." State NAACP President William Barber met with N.C. State Chancellor James Oblinger last Wednesday and called for the four students who admitted to painting the racist messages to be expelled. The NAACP also wants a UNC system policy on hate speech and diversity training for students. "No race-based threats of violence against African-Americans or other people of color can be tolerated in the campus-wide zones of free expression," Barber said in a statement Tuesday. "Our tax dollars created and maintain these zones of free expression." The NAACP also wants to meet with Wake County District Attorney Colon Willoughby to discuss why hate crime charges weren't filed against the four students. The organization also may lobby state lawmakers to amend hate-crime statutes so similar acts in the future could result in criminal charges, officials said. The group also plans to lobby Congress to strengthen enforcement of federal laws that could cut funding to universities that don't crack down on hate crimes, officials said."

bitch bitch bitch whine whine whine. please to choke a dick and stfu

11/18/2008 6:45:15 PM

jesus

11/18/2008 6:47:52 PM

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"That night, someone trashed her sister-in-law's front lawn, mangled the Obama lawn signs, and left two pizza boxes filled with human feces outside the front door, Millner said."

I'm totally doing this the next time someone pisses me off.

11/18/2008 6:49:21 PM

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"I'll actually be pretty ashamed that I went to State if these kids get expelled over this. "

11/18/2008 6:51:21 PM

lol

11/18/2008 6:51:34 PM

Does anyone know how long the offensive material was on the tunnel before the university painted over it?

[Edited on November 19, 2008 at 8:31 AM. Reason : doesn't need quotes]

11/19/2008 8:16:55 AM

The Student Senate needs to call whatever bill or act or whatever they are working on "Hate Speech" not "Hate Crime". All associated law enforcement said no crime was committed, and came to this conclusion very, very quickly. If this joke of student government (isn't it always) wants to expel these students they need to be upfront - they want to expel these students for a "thought crime".

[Edited on November 19, 2008 at 9:01 AM. Reason : ]

11/19/2008 9:00:54 AM

There is no longer a push to expel the students, though a call for the University to do whatever they can under the guidelines of the current policies. There is also a call for a revised university policy.

11/19/2008 12:25:16 PM

The University needs to censor the Wall right now

11/19/2008 12:27:58 PM

^

11/19/2008 12:29:38 PM

If the wall is blue, does it make it a unfriendly learning environment?
Isn't that agains school regulations, and shouldn't the students who painted it be expelled from whatever school they attend? It is a hate crime after all.

11/19/2008 1:22:34 PM

^I'm totally considering writing an editorial to the Technician with those very thoughts.

11/19/2008 1:41:32 PM

^ what would your point be?

11/19/2008 1:45:57 PM

They should be suspended from their school for writing hate speech? We should have big group therapy sessions because our feelings are hurt?

11/19/2008 1:50:46 PM

I had a feeling you wouldn't have a real point.

11/19/2008 1:52:35 PM

I don't think the satire would be fully appreciated either, lol.

11/19/2008 1:54:23 PM

i'd laugh if you did it

11/19/2008 2:26:47 PM

I'm writing it right now...

...and it has been sent off. I wonder if they'll publish it.

[Edited on November 19, 2008 at 2:44 PM. Reason : .]

11/19/2008 2:39:53 PM

lot of sand in the naacp vag over this.

yet, they're the ones with the "colored people" in their name

[Edited on November 19, 2008 at 2:42 PM. Reason : white people can't say colored people or negro. ]

11/19/2008 2:42:21 PM

I don't think the Technician has the balls to print it.

11/19/2008 2:43:35 PM

agreed, to many people might be offended.

11/19/2008 4:15:39 PM

Too bad...maybe I'll post it here if it doesn't get printed.

11/19/2008 4:29:33 PM

ah hell if they don't print it, let's start taking donations to print enough to fill up all of the technician boxes on campus.

11/19/2008 4:32:14 PM

You people are fucking retarded.

And I'm referring to almost everyone on this page.

11/19/2008 5:44:05 PM

^SO TUFF

11/19/2008 5:44:52 PM

I think you're the only one on this site we can legitimately say "has no life."

11/19/2008 5:45:40 PM

^TOO TUFF? I think you have 0 knowledge of my personal life

11/19/2008 5:48:11 PM

Whatever helps you post at night.

11/19/2008 5:48:39 PM

^I don't think I'll be posting much tonight. This will probably be a long senate meeting. I don't know what else is going on, but if nothing big is happening there's some ambien with my name on it

11/19/2008 5:51:02 PM