You know what "God" probably finds worse than homosexuality is hypocrisy

Seeing as how one, even if it is "straying", is at least seeking love

The other is just bullshit self-aggrandizement combined with inability and lack of intent to do what one takes to be the right thing

Seeking love vs. self-righteous masturbation, being judgmental, and weakness of the will

Hmmmmmm

You'd think Christians would reply to this by trying to be more like Christ but instead we'll get more The Wolf Web posts probably


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"^^go to a church, or a revival"

Never met one there either. Been to both. Seen a lot of dudes that Christ foresaw though. You know the type -- those that fly his banner with empty hearts. You'll find a shitload of those at churches and revivals.

[Edited on December 22, 2008 at 1:20 AM. Reason : .]

12/22/2008 1:18:35 AM

lol not at all

[Edited on December 22, 2008 at 1:19 AM. Reason : talking about: the old testament has the exact same message as the new]

12/22/2008 1:18:38 AM

Well, you are black, and despite your objections to it, the majority of scientific research seems to suggest that sexual orientation is a genetic predisposition. If you yourself are a member of a group of people who have been and still are discriminated against and hated because of your genetic makeup then doing the same to another group is flat out ridiculous.

12/22/2008 1:19:04 AM

a good preacher knows hes just an imperfect man and is merely conducting a place of fellowship

the individual has to study on his own, itd be foolish to follow the word of man

12/22/2008 1:20:35 AM

so...youre comparing my race to my ideology


thse are two different types of minority and one of those is not relevant to this discussion

are you trying to say that i should be a progressive, liberal democrat?

that i should, what? fall in line?

[Edited on December 22, 2008 at 1:22 AM. Reason : d]

12/22/2008 1:21:32 AM

Craw I like you but you ain't gettin' away with this sir, not on my internets

12/22/2008 1:21:33 AM

The word of man, what like the King James version of the Bible?

12/22/2008 1:21:42 AM

its like now a days you cant even have an opinion unless its siding with the homos

12/22/2008 1:21:47 AM

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"its like now a days you cant even have an opinion unless its siding with the homos"

best thing i've read all day

12/22/2008 1:22:26 AM

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"so...youre comparing my race to my ideology thse are two different types of minority and one of those is not relevant to this discussion"

No, I'm comparing your race to Evan's being gay.

12/22/2008 1:22:29 AM

the king james bible is the correct translation of the hebrew bible

i doubt that you would even know which version is which if you wergiven a sample of scripture so i dont know why youd be trying to argue it with me

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"its like now a days you cant even have an opinion unless its siding with the homos"

thats what i been sayin man

damn lol





[Edited on December 22, 2008 at 1:24 AM. Reason : d]

12/22/2008 1:23:27 AM

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"its like now a days you cant even have an opinion unless its siding with the homos"

it's as if... us thinking consevratives are truly the ones being squelched....

it rly makes u think...

12/22/2008 1:23:31 AM

^^what is your reasoning?

[Edited on December 22, 2008 at 1:24 AM. Reason : why do you think it's the correct translation?]

12/22/2008 1:24:29 AM

he made adam and eve, not adam and steve

ahahahahahahaha i love that one

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12/22/2008 1:24:47 AM

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" i doubt that you would even know which version is which if you wergiven a sample of scripture so i dont know why youd be trying to argue it with me"

As someone who has about 5 different Bibles in his apartment, I'd beg to differ. And no, the KJV is not the most accurate translation.

12/22/2008 1:24:58 AM

i would say at this day in age NO FUCKIN BODY IS BEING SQUELCHED


everyone is living a fuckin comfortable cushy nerf-life (daryll)

the idea that ANY group has less of an advantage during these modern times is retarded


no group has it hard

because the statements made in the KJV are definitive, they are not ambiguous like in other versions of the bible

[Edited on December 22, 2008 at 1:26 AM. Reason : f]

12/22/2008 1:25:28 AM

Honestly who gives a shit what the "correct" translation of a bunch of tribal folk-history and propaganda is?

12/22/2008 1:26:06 AM

for every opinion there's someone who tries to squelch it, it isn't a conservative or liberal thing. But as long as this is America it won't happen

[Edited on December 22, 2008 at 1:27 AM. Reason : )]

12/22/2008 1:26:20 AM

Not I, but as long as people allowed themselves to be governed by myth and superstition rather than logic it'll be a problem no matter which silly set of myths it is.

12/22/2008 1:29:13 AM

^^i agree

but there is an undeniable movement towards progressive ideals that akes it easier for the liberally inclined more likely to be heard


but i mean its cyclical, there were also the Romans, the Crusades, and the Witch hunts

we dont have it as bad as any of those people nowadays, so to me its kind of a non issue, this idea of "oppression"

^i employ logic and my belief in religion in all things, thats the only way to not be a sheep, im not afraid to expose myself to new things, make my own judgements, and form my own opinions and courses of actions

anything less than that and...youre a sheep to somebody

[Edited on December 22, 2008 at 1:31 AM. Reason : d]

12/22/2008 1:29:50 AM

doesn't matter if it's as bad or not as bad

we have to decide as a society where we stand on shit, and if we agree with the concept of equal rights then it has to be equal across the board, not just for the people we find "not icky"

12/22/2008 1:31:24 AM

I for one find it preferable that as human society becomes more mature we move towards more liberty. Now, reasonable (and even unreasonable) people can disagree about what constitutes more liberty, but it's absolutely asinine to believe that simple proximity to someone means that you get to decide what is best for them or what they should be allowed or required to do.

12/22/2008 1:31:47 AM

hah motherfucker we are as free as we can possibly be

we are not oppressed in anyway by any form of governance

im not deciding anything, i have no authority i am just stating my opinion as a constituent



[Edited on December 22, 2008 at 1:34 AM. Reason : f]

12/22/2008 1:32:24 AM

things are good

let's make them better

you could apply all of the arguments you just made to argue against the civil rights movement. just as long as some shit's better than some arbitrary point in the past, then we have no reason to progress according to you

12/22/2008 1:33:32 AM

^^seriously

cant stand those fisa dipsticks, and the people like them

[Edited on December 22, 2008 at 1:34 AM. Reason : .]

12/22/2008 1:34:04 AM

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"i employ logic and my belief in religion in all things"

Fine, and this is in fact what most people do. However, which wins out when the two are clearly opposed. The Catholics for example continue to teach the evils of birth control and condoms even in AIDS riddled sub-Saharan Africa, and to me at least doing something like that is so illogical and dangerous as to be considered not just crazy but in fact evil.

12/22/2008 1:34:20 AM

except he isn't choosing to be black

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12/22/2008 1:34:23 AM

catholics are fucking stupid anyways...i just call myself one cause they are one of the main religions...aint gonna tell someone i'm episcopalien or some shit

[Edited on December 22, 2008 at 1:37 AM. Reason : sounds like a damn alien or something]

12/22/2008 1:36:40 AM

who gives a fuck if gays choose or don't choose

12/22/2008 1:37:00 AM

Even if you want to argue the choice vs. genetics thing, why is it acceptable for you to decide who Evan gets to fuck (as long is it another person legally capable of making a choice)?

12/22/2008 1:37:24 AM

my logic tells me i wanna fuck and i dont want no damn kids

my religion tells me to be abstinent until marriage...fair enough

but i, being imperfect and worldly (as if thats not obvious) i find the happy medium and get head as much as possible and fuck with a rubber

and no one is the wiser

again no one here is deciding anything, we are voicing opinions that will lead to nothing but more discussion



but if i had a vote to cast, then i would cast a vote in opposition of evan getting to fuck who he wanted and why? because someone would have put me in position to make that call based on my good faith and judgment along with many others ( i would assume)

[Edited on December 22, 2008 at 1:39 AM. Reason : d]

12/22/2008 1:37:38 AM

So why are your transgressions okay but a gay's transgressions pure abomination

12/22/2008 1:40:14 AM

Well, here's the thing though, stuff like this actually is being discussed and then decided upon fairly regularly because there has been discussion. Perhaps you've missed all the hubub about Prop 8 in California and the like.

12/22/2008 1:40:57 AM

OK, but what is your rationale behind why he shouldn't get to fuck who he wants but you should? That's what I was getting at when I talked about things like allowing religion to override logic and the idea that we should be moving towards more liberty. Err on the side of more freedom.

12/22/2008 1:43:58 AM

my transgressions are not ok

if someone would call me out for fuckin hoes and they were practicing abstinence then thats would be a valid call out

my set of values and morals arent defined entirely by religion, nor any other one facet of my lifes lessons

its a combination of experienced based on the values, morals, and lessons that ive been exposed to from EVERYONE ive interacted with

with that said, it leads to my opinion of homosexuality being something abominable, but I dont hate the human i can be civil with homosexuals because there are zillions of other things to discuss aside from personal sexuality.

just know that my opinion is honest and consistent

^^^well yea, i think i addressed that stuff


like i said, i dont have a vote in proposition 8, so i havent done any deciding on that issue by stating my opinion on the wolf web


however, i am pleased with the result

[Edited on December 22, 2008 at 1:46 AM. Reason : d]

12/22/2008 1:45:39 AM

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"the king james bible is the correct translation of the hebrew bible"

the king james version of the bible also says that giants once roamed the earth

the word in the hebrew bible is "nephilim", which essentially translates to "the fallen ones"

not giants

these "nephilim" were the offspring of cave-dwelling man and homo sapiens and were, in no sense of the word, giant

12/22/2008 1:45:46 AM

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"it leads to my opinion of homosexuality being something abominable"

what leads you to this opinion?

12/22/2008 1:47:55 AM

thank you evan, maybe you are right about that

however my standard for correctness is based on the lack of ambiguity from verse-to-verse, not whether it was giants or Nikolai Valuev roamed the earth

^teachings from the bible and my own personal feelings, both in concert not just one or the other

[Edited on December 22, 2008 at 1:50 AM. Reason : d]

12/22/2008 1:49:32 AM

Wow... this thread has brought out the asshole in a lot of you.

Evan, I hope this situation improves eventually. There's no drama like family drama. :-/

12/22/2008 1:50:04 AM

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"however my standard for correctness is based on the lack of ambiguity from verse-to-verse, not whether it was giants or Nikolai Valuev roamed the earth"

lack of ambiguity does not in any way correlate with accuracy

12/22/2008 1:51:37 AM

oh lol i thought this thread was about you being overweight...

i was like damn, your mom is shallow thats nothing to be disgusted about

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12/22/2008 1:51:46 AM

So you're more concerned with it being definitive. Whether the translation is literally correct is unimportant (you know, because language can never be ambiguous) as long is it's definitive. It could be utterly wrong, but damn it they sounded very sure of themselves when they wrote this translation so it's ok.

12/22/2008 1:52:00 AM

what teachings from the bible have led you to the opinion that homosexuality is an abomination?

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"Wow... this thread has brought out the asshole in a lot of you."

seriously

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"Evan, I hope this situation improves eventually. There's no drama like family drama. :-/"

thanks, man... it's looking like TWW drama is a close second, though, haha

12/22/2008 1:52:24 AM

evan is tryng to make it sound like his homosexuality is the sole reason for his mother's treatment of him

when in reality he hinted at it being some sort of consistent part of her psyche to be a bitch in general


you seem to be choosing to make it a my mom v.s. my homosexuality when it is possibly somethin more to it than that


but thats what psychiatrists are for

^for starters the ones that say that it is "abominable for man to lieth down with a man as he would a woman"

[Edited on December 22, 2008 at 1:54 AM. Reason : f]

12/22/2008 1:53:37 AM

Probably that one that says "if a man lay with another man as with a woman it is an abomination."

If it makes you feel better, Evan, i dislike you because you act like a turd on here and you thought EUPHALO was cool. It has nothing to do with your preference for cock over vag.

12/22/2008 1:53:58 AM

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"evan is tryng to make it sound like his homosexuality is the sole reason for his mother's treatment of him"

that's because it is.

she came right out and said that.

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"^for starters the ones that say that it is "abominable for man to lieth down with a man as he would a woman""

so you also follow the other laws that were defined in leviticus?
also, what other teachings? i don't recall seeing anything else mentioning homosexuality in the bible.

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"If it makes you feel better, Evan, i dislike you because you act like a turd on here and you thought EUPHALO was cool. It has nothing to do with your preference for cock over vag."

what do i do that makes you think i act like a turd? just curious
and EUPHALO was a passing trend

12/22/2008 1:54:24 AM

okay now you're just making stuff up

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12/22/2008 1:54:56 AM

i mean it is in Exodus, look it up

theres a whole list of shit, like for instance we arent supposed to eat shellfish, deer, or scaleless fishes

12/22/2008 1:55:26 AM

well evan she doesnt seem to be the most stable anyway

to take anything she says at face value would be a crime unto your own self

12/22/2008 1:56:58 AM

We're also supposed to disallow men with crushed genitals from entering the temple as well. And women are supposed to be shunned for 7 days when they're menstruating (although this actually just sounds like good advice).

12/22/2008 1:57:29 AM