and 10 hour battery life too.

1/27/2010 3:16:12 PM

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"The problem may not be AT&T (especially not in the Triangle), but having all the iPhones on one network seems like it would be a pain in the ass for any company. Wouldn't spreading it around a bit ease some of that network frustration?"

Thats what I was getting at. So many people are misguided by Verizon commercials that they think they'd be better off if Verizon had the iPhone and not AT&T. The only thing they'd have is a bogged down SLOWER network, oh and forget taking your phone out of the country on business or vacation.

If Verizon joined the rest of the world with GSM and had the iPhone in addition to AT&T then that would be a win win for everyone. Those that don't care about speed/performance and would rather have service out in BFE can go to Verizon while the rest of us can, once again, enjoy AT&T service.

1/27/2010 3:16:33 PM

^ Agreed. I wish AT&T would do an international map commercial like Verizons. Where Verizon has coverage NO WHERE.

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"Quote : "no coverage in Seattle, San Fran, LA, Dallas, NY or Boston" just like at&t"

What? At&t has coverage in all those areas, and it's faster than Verizons.

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"and 10 hour battery life too."

Most of the new netbooks have 10+ hour battery life with the new Pinetrail Atoms.

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 3:19 PM. Reason : .]

1/27/2010 3:16:42 PM

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"just like at&t"

Don't get me wrong. I fucking HATE AT&T. As soon as there's a platform, iPhone or otherwise, on Verizon that does what I need (unfortunately Droid just isn't it), I will be switching, and telling them to fuck themselves with the ETF.

But for a non-realtime critical device (netbook, laptop, tablet), AT&T has never given me a problem. Coverage isn't my issue so much as reliability. Switching towers on an iPhone drops my call. Switching towers on a tablet delays my page load by .25 seconds.

1/27/2010 3:18:23 PM

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"not in our (my work) case. we have 7 iphones. we are in rocky mount. there is jack shit for regular coverage out here. you'll sometimes get edge if you're in town and you hold your mouth just right. otherwise you're lucky if you get a signal of any kind. that is a provider coverage problem imo. it has nothing to do with the phone."

In your case, you just selected the wrong service provider regardless of the device.

1/27/2010 3:19:12 PM

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"The only thing they'd have is a bogged down SLOWER network, oh and forget taking your phone out of the country on business or vacation."

Actually it wouldn't. Verizon has close to 4x the data capacity compared to AT&T, for 3G data. They have just been much, much more conservative in their offerings. Verizon is a seriously old-school telecom mentality company.

1/27/2010 3:20:32 PM

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/apple-ipad-first-hands-on/

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"- There's no multitasking at all. It's a real disappointment. All this power and very little you can do with it at once. No multitasking means no streaming Pandora when you're working in Pages... you can figure it out. It's a real setback for this device. - No camera. None, nada. Zip. No video conferencing here folks. Hell, it doesn't have an SMS app!"

that sucks

1/27/2010 3:21:36 PM

i can't wait for LTE

1/27/2010 3:22:10 PM

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"Switching towers on an iPhone drops my call. "

I rarely if ever have dropped calls, and I tether a lot and I'd rather have the 3mbit service (soon to be 7.2 HSPDA) with AT&T than the 1.5 mbit service Verizon offers.

^^i'm assuming it will get jailbroken which will let people multitask AND tether to your iPhone, which would be kind of cool.

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 3:23 PM. Reason : /]

1/27/2010 3:22:21 PM

stupid TWW...double post

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 3:25 PM. Reason : asdf]

1/27/2010 3:24:22 PM

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"Don't get me wrong. I fucking HATE AT&T. As soon as there's a platform, iPhone or otherwise, on Verizon that does what I need (unfortunately Droid just isn't it), I will be switching, and telling them to fuck themselves with the ETF. "

heh. Its funny cause i've actually never had problems with at&t's service here in maine (because no one lives here). I cant figure out any purpose for the ipad beyond an expensive photo frame or some kind of wierd one off device you have for something i cant think of.

For actual use as a tablet, that prototype microsoft thing that was like a book with two screens would be more useful. Something you could hold in one hand and write on with a stylus. Windows 7 handwritting recognition is amazing. And when I say amazing i mean you will be amazed. Not hey im steve jobs check out my really big ipod amazing.

1/27/2010 3:25:48 PM

double post 5 minutes later?

i was not in charge of the switch, i just do what i'm told, which was setting up the account. i LOVE my iphone, as long as i'm not trying to do heavy internet stuff w/o wifi.

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 3:27 PM. Reason : ]

1/27/2010 3:27:31 PM

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"http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/apple-ipad-first-hands-on/ Quote : "- There's no multitasking at all. It's a real disappointment. All this power and very little you can do with it at once. No multitasking means no streaming Pandora when you're working in Pages... you can figure it out. It's a real setback for this device. - No camera. None, nada. Zip. No video conferencing here folks. Hell, it doesn't have an SMS app!" that sucks"

1/27/2010 3:27:36 PM

Exactly. The majority of people don't have issues with AT&Ts service because the majority of Americans live in AT&Ts coverage area and not int he middle of no where.

1/27/2010 3:27:57 PM

SO underwhelming

1/27/2010 3:28:12 PM

I see the iPad as a step in the right direction from a hardware design point of view. Its slick, has tons of potential down the road. When the iPhone came out it was seriously lacking. As the years went on more and more desired features were added. I think the same can be said for the iPad.

The software on the other hand is a different story.


Also, why has nobody asked this yet....CAN IT COPY PASTE!??!?

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"Hell, it doesn't have an SMS app!"

Isn't there a wifi SMS app on the app store, or google voice via web browser?

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 3:30 PM. Reason : .]

1/27/2010 3:29:09 PM

the iphone was a really good phone when it first came out. Whatever it was lacking, it was still better in alot of ways than what was already out.

The ipad is the same as the macbook air in that it doesnt do anything new or even fill an empty market segment. Its a one off device that they know will sell based on the brand, even if those people already have devices that fill the role.

1/27/2010 3:31:23 PM

how can there be a wifi sms app....it's not linked to a phone number

and the problem with google voice html5 app is the entire lack of notification

1/27/2010 3:32:04 PM

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"Also, why has nobody asked this yet....CAN IT COPY PASTE!??!?"

Runs Iphone OS 3.2 so I assume

but you know what happens when you assume

1/27/2010 3:32:15 PM

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"how can there be a wifi sms app....it's not linked to a phone number"

Really? You've been able to SMS people via your gmail account for years. There's plenty of wifi SMS apps that let people reply to you.

1/27/2010 3:33:35 PM

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"the iphone was a really good phone when it first came out. Whatever it was lacking, it was still better in alot of ways than what was already out."

Thats not what was being said in the early pages of the iPhone thread

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"how can there be a wifi sms app....it's not linked to a phone number"

there are services that do this, just like when you IM someone thats forwarding to their mobile phone...you don't have a phone number associated to your application but they do.

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 3:34 PM. Reason : .]

1/27/2010 3:33:36 PM

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"the majority of Americans live in AT&Ts coverage area and not int he middle of no where."

I live less than a mile away from one of the largest malls in the area (Southpoint), a short bike ride to the heart of RTP, yet I have between 0 and 1 bar of service with AT&T in my neighborhood. Only when I get to fayetteville st does that change.

Friends with Verizon, Sprint, and alltel have full reception at my house.

Unacceptable.

1/27/2010 3:34:19 PM

I went skiing at snowshoe...the only provider there was AT&T. I thought middle of no where was Verizons leg up?

1/27/2010 3:35:25 PM

^that's funny because i ski every weekend in Colorado and Verizon is the only carrier that has reliable coverage on all the mountains.

1/27/2010 3:38:11 PM

The lack of flash is just embarrassing at this point. See: Jobs getting a missing plugin error during his keynote.

It's (barely) excusable on a phone, but for something that is meant to compete with netbooks? Just sad.



[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 3:40 PM. Reason : f]

1/27/2010 3:39:15 PM

was unrealistically dreaming for an OLED screen, but I'll definitely take IPS

1/27/2010 3:41:18 PM

Yeah guys because 1-way SMS is *awesome*

1/27/2010 3:41:22 PM

No flash for browser, FM radio, multitasking, and AT&T for carrier is way I will NEVER own a iPhone or iAnything.

1/27/2010 3:41:23 PM

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"Yeah guys because 1-way SMS is *awesome*"

did you bump your head or are you just hiding under a rock some where? Who said ANYTHING about it being one way?

I mean fuck man, people have been able to IM their friends to their mobile phones using AIM on the PC and the other person receives it as a text for ages long before the iPhone ever existed. Replying to said text would send the person on the AIM client your response...why is this so hard?

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 3:43 PM. Reason : .]

1/27/2010 3:42:13 PM

No multitasking is the big killer here. I'm sure they do that to maintain snappy speed across the apps but come on.

1/27/2010 3:43:40 PM

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"Can't wait to hear where this A4 cpu came from. Thought Apple learned it's lesson after abandoning the G4/G5 architecture. With ARM and Atom, this seems like a pretty risky move."

it's an ARM architecture

1/27/2010 3:44:30 PM

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/27/south_african_police_apple_tablet_photos/

heh

1/27/2010 3:45:29 PM

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"I live less than a mile away from one of the largest malls in the area (Southpoint), a short bike ride to the heart of RTP, yet I have between 0 and 1 bar of service with AT&T in my neighborhood. "

There's always exceptions. I'm just saying AT&T does cover the majority of Americans with 3g coverage. Most metropolitan areas. If you live outside one then I'm sorry switch providers. If you live near/in a city then you can enjoy the much faster 3g service provided by AT&T.

1/27/2010 3:46:58 PM

i feel like they should have really uncoupled the device from focusing so much on backwards compatibility.

I know that is convenient and money-making and whatnot but I think a iPad only store with apps (like iWork) etc would have been a better focus.

1/27/2010 3:54:19 PM

wow - what a big whiff on this. i was holding out on getting a netbook because i thought this might be the next great thing. but i honestly don't see why i would ever want one of these. it just seems....crippled

1/27/2010 3:57:16 PM

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"did you bump your head or are you just hiding under a rock some where? Who said ANYTHING about it being one way?"

Either that your you have EMP and know when somebody is trying to 'text' you so you can go and load up mobile safari. I'm sorry but you can't compare a mobile texting alternative w/out notification (especially when there's no backgrounding) to SMS

1/27/2010 4:00:11 PM

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"Either that your you have EMP and know when somebody is trying to 'text' you so you can go and load up mobile safari. I'm sorry but you can't compare a mobile texting alternative w/out notification (especially when there's no backgrounding) to SMS"

There is an app that does SMS via wifi. Thats what I said when someone mentioned no native SMS app.
Then you came in here saying that it wasn't possible to send someone an SMS when you don't have a phone number attached to it.
Then I explained to you how its been done time and time again.
Don't know what you are blathering on about now.

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"wow - what a big whiff on this. i was holding out on getting a netbook because i thought this might be the next great thing. but i honestly don't see why i would ever want one of these. it just seems....crippled"

What do you want a netbook for?

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 4:08 PM. Reason : .]

1/27/2010 4:07:15 PM

no flash and no multitasking seems like the biggest mistakes.. so no Netflix instant watch or Hulu?

i really just don't see why anyone with an iPhone (or any smart phone) and/or a laptop would need this

1/27/2010 4:08:06 PM

Netflix instant can run on Silverlight.

Now, that's not to say that the iPad includes Silverlight. I doubt it does, but Netflix doesn't need flash.

1/27/2010 4:17:02 PM

seriously, buy a macbook for $750, tether it to your verizon smartphone = profit.

granted you wouldn't get touchscreen or accelerometer, but personally i'd rather have 2 devices than 3 and avoid another $30/month for data

also did they cover how the ebooks are handled? DRM? can you transfer an ebook purchased on iTunes to any other devices?

are the iPhone apps/games really worth even installing on this device?

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"Pretty much. and Golovko is so on the money with his comment, exactly the same trend as the iPhone thread. Give it a year for the Apple train to roll, the market brainwashing to kick in, and suddenly everyone is asking how to jailbreak their new iPad"

seriously this is the mentality that because it's an Apple product it must be good. take a step back, i really don't think this is a great device. sure it has potential because dev's see Apple as a money tree they develop for and they have 20 million iPhone users as customers, but the features and service on this device is lackluster.

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 4:23 PM. Reason : .]

1/27/2010 4:20:31 PM

Did they mention if you can share your current iPhone/iPod Touch apps with your iPad?

1/27/2010 4:41:07 PM

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" What do you want a netbook for?"

Because they're awesome. And for $475 I picked up an Asus 1201n with a 12" 1366 by 768 LED LCD display. Dual core Atom and Nvidia 9400m with a 4-5 hour battery life. I can play 1080p HD movies, play games, and do pretty much anything a laptop can do other than CPU intensive stuff. So much is moving to the GPU now with flash beta 10.1, and most design sweets like AutoCad or Photoshop all support GPU hardware acceleration.

My $475 netbook is more powerful in terms of multimedia/gaming/graphical performance than most core2duo CULV laptops in the $600-800 range with integrated Intel graphics (gma 4500 etc) and in a compact 12" display. Not to mention it has an HDMI output so it's essentially a portable HTPC.

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 4:43 PM. Reason : d]

1/27/2010 4:41:49 PM

^^yes you can, they said you can download all your apps you've already purchased.

^that doesn't really tell me what you'll be using it for. I mean the purpose of a netbook by definition is something light weight, ultra portable that can do basic computer functions and mostly web applications.

I think too many people expect/assume that a netbook is supposed to be just like a standard laptop but ultra portable. Everybody was just expecting Apple to announce a laptop that had a touch screen and was ultra portable.

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 4:47 PM. Reason : .]

1/27/2010 4:42:32 PM

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"MOST DESIGN SWEETS"

1/27/2010 4:46:43 PM

Wait this thing is 1024 x 768? That means it's 4:3? It doesn't look 4:3.

1/27/2010 4:48:38 PM

^^^Wow guy, you haven't just been drinking the kool-aid you've been showering in it haven't you? I've had an iPhone since the day the original came out and I use a MacBook Pro but the lack of flash is absurd, if the iPhone started murdering babies you'd try to justify it

[Edited on January 27, 2010 at 4:49 PM. Reason : ]

1/27/2010 4:49:41 PM

i was expecting something more functional than an ipod touch with a bigger screen

this is like the zach morris iphone

1/27/2010 4:51:26 PM

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"that doesn't really tell me what you'll be using it for. I mean the purpose of a netbook by definition is something light weight, ultra portable that can do basic computer functions and mostly web applications."

I use it for photoshop, light gaming, as an HTPC, media, etc. Pretty much everything a laptop is used for. It's light, portable, and under $500. It's like the best of both worlds.

1/27/2010 4:52:43 PM

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"^^^Wow guy, you haven't just been drinking the kool-aid you've been showering in it haven't you? I've had an iPhone since the day the original came out and I use a MacBook Pro but the lack of flash is absurd, if the iPhone started murdering babies you'd try to justify it"

You are throwing around phrases you don't understand..."drinking the kool-aid" really? So because I hate flash that some how translates into me "drinking the kool-aid" el oh el.

Let me guess, you're the kind of guy that sits through flash intros and wants sites to 'pop' with flashing logos

This is the iPad thread, not the iPhone thread...i think you got lost, guy.

1/27/2010 4:53:29 PM

Just found this on twitter trending topics and digg

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" 10 Ways the Apple iPad will change your life 1) You'll never have to watch crappy in-flight movies again. 2) You'll get to leave your laptop at home more often. 3) No more cruising the books section at Costco. 4) You won't have to bring your chess set with you anymore. 5) You'll put even more of your life into "the cloud". 6) Using the toilet will never be the same. 7) You won't have to lug a piano around to earn a second income. 8) You will need to start carrying a bag again, or get pants with bigger pockets. 9) No more bundling newspapers for recycling day. 10) You'll become a different kind of couch potato. "

There is nothing here that the iPaq does better than a laptop, except fit into obnoxious super-cargo pants for geeks.

1/27/2010 5:06:49 PM