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"The bitch was willing to get plowed in the dirt on a forest floor with zombies running around out there....I think that's a safe call."

i was wondering what her deal was, i didn't catch the very beginning of the first show so i was really wondering if i had missed something that would explain why she's such a whore or if she's in fact just a whore.

[Edited on November 11, 2010 at 10:39 AM. Reason : .]

11/11/2010 10:38:27 AM

So how do the tickets to the Galaxy showings work? I know they're first come first serve but is there a particular time they start handing them out?

11/12/2010 2:31:27 PM

^I've gotten there around 9 both nights and had no problem getting a ticket. I assume you could probably get them in advance of the showing too (I remember people posting earlier in this thread about getting them a day or two before the first screening).

The crowd usually ramps up right around 9:30-9:40, which can be a bit of a pain since the tickets are handed out at the concession stand, so you have a double line of people trying to get tickets + concession buyers.

11/12/2010 2:42:42 PM

Roll call: Anyone going to the galaxy for tonight's ep?

GrumpyGOP and I will be there around 9ish.

[Edited on November 14, 2010 at 5:18 PM. Reason : .]

11/14/2010 5:18:25 PM

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"Definitely...the fact that galaxy is airing each episode makes it even better. So far they've gone 2 for 2 on solid presentations, and I've gone 2 for 2 in weeks where I won a prize from trivia "

How much does it cost to see it there?

11/14/2010 9:33:07 PM

it's free isn't it?

(otherwise wouldn't there be legal issues?)

11/14/2010 10:42:25 PM

So Shane is PISSED!

11/14/2010 11:06:11 PM

I think I'm going to be about that pissed after the next 3 episodes end and we have to wait months before more new ones...

11/14/2010 11:12:07 PM

not real impressed with tonight's episode. too slow, not enough story progression

11/14/2010 11:27:50 PM

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"How much does it cost to see it there?"

It's free. I feel like this has been mentioned repeatedly. It's free, they give away prizes for trivia, some of the regulars are pretty funny, and so really unless you live far from the Galaxy there's no reason not to watch it there.

I do feel like some of the antagonists are a bit cliched. Lazy abusive husband, racist hillbilly, and (judging from the previews) ghetto gang members. The first one especially. Even if you're a wife-beating asshole, what the hell do you care if the people washing your clothes laugh while doing it?

That said, the racist going as crazy as he did was a nice development, and the brother is doing a good job of being a prick in subtler ways.

11/14/2010 11:56:44 PM

i also don't like the cliched bad guys. Couldn't you cause the necessary drama in much more believable ways?

11/15/2010 12:23:06 AM

Tonight's episode sucked. There was almost zero plot progression, the zombies that were in the episode felt like an afterthought, and the stupid ass contrived drama is just weak. Is a zombie apocalypse not enough of a plot vehicle? Do you really need over the top racists and inbred wife beaters to spice the plot up? This episode is inexcusable for a six part series. I hope this gets better because this show started strong and has been sliding ever since.

11/15/2010 12:38:06 AM

Well, you definitely need drama that comes from a source other than the zombies. What made 28 Days Later so excellent in my opinion wasn't the great cinematography or the new twist on zombies, it was the reasonable, well-explained conflict with the military guys. They weren't just, "Let's steal some sex slaves!" There was a legitimate, even practical rationale -- morale was breaking down, the troops were becoming suicidal, and the major was so devoted to them that he took a turn into crazytown.

So no, a zombie apocalypse alone isn't an adequate plot vehicle. But while I'm still immensely enjoying the series, the human villains need work. I'm hopeful for the racist now that he's gone from being a cookie-cutter asshole to being somebody who has clearly lost his shit. There's potential there.

I'm tentative about Grimes' wife. So far she has come across as being nothing but a bitch, and that makes it hard to understand why the hell there are two guys willing to put up with her shit. This episode added some softness and so maybe there's a path for development, maybe a little empathy.

I like the Asian guy. I like Shane -- he's understandable, and he's the only one in his little group that seems to have any brains or leadership ability. I generally like the old guy but was a little taken aback when he went from being an educated, reasonable-sounding man to someone who was all pissed off and demanding on the subject of tools.

11/15/2010 1:42:31 AM

I went to Galaxy with a few friends who hadn't seen the first two episodes. They were expecting lots of gore. They were disappointed with this episode. I am enjoying it so far. Glad to see Galaxy is doing this every week.

11/15/2010 4:26:18 AM

good episode i thought; it was quite different than the other episodes where they focused a lot on the zombie aspect. this one focused more on the human aspect which i thought was a nice touch. Rick's wife i am still not a fan of. she is a whorish bitch IMO and if only Rick knew what had happened between her and his best friend/partner since he has been gone. as for the other characters, more cliches but that doesn't really bother me like it does with everyone else it seems. cliches exist for a reason because that's what our society is made up of. i feel the show is just trying to be realistic as much as possible regarding society classes.

one question i had was with the guy left on the roof. why saw his entire hand off? why not saw the handcuffs or the pipe bracket he was handcuffed to? or worst case, saw only his thumb off so he could slide his hand out? and correct me if i'm wrong, but if one were to saw his hand off, wouldnt the person bleed out before he got anywhere close to getting all the way through? i would think the person would pass out from the sheer pain and then bleed out while passed out. that part seemed really far-fetched for me.

11/15/2010 9:14:10 AM

^^I think last night's "You told me he was dead" line from the wife is setting her up to be a more sympathetic character. At first it looked like she skipped town with her man in the hospital and not so much as a forwarding address for him to go on, now there's the intrigue of accidental affair, unconfessed infidelity, and increasingly unpredictable Shane.

I sort of hope the gang members go the way of the prisoners from Y: The Last Man. They were prisoners to be sure, but they mostly wanted to be left alone now that the status quo had changed. Rather than using it as a free-for-all they were self-governing, mostly harmless folks.

I agree about the zombies being an afterthought. When they ran from the building it had been overrun. There were several zombies in the stairwell trying to get onto the roof. Then upon their return we see one zombie in the store and then no others?

11/15/2010 9:15:37 AM

^To address that, and a tiny spoiler if you didn't watch last night's episode(shouldn't be reading this thread anyway if you didn't):




Well in the case of the building, they were being drawn there because the survivor was on the roof, so maybe when he left, they just found their way back down.

Which should be interesting because cutting off his hand, he'd likely bleed out very quickly and there would be a nice blood trail they'd be able to follow to find out where he went.

And yes, I felt more sympathetic for his wife when I heard that line and I was already questioning the Shane character and now he seems even a little more off.

11/15/2010 9:51:50 AM

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"But while I'm still immensely enjoying the series, the human villains need work. I'm hopeful for the racist now that he's gone from being a cookie-cutter asshole to being somebody who has clearly lost his shit."

I think Darabondt is making the best of a questionable, but arguably necessary plot decision. The human element and conflicts that arise from it are essential in a story like this. Otherwise, you've got a CSI-type show where the story week-in and week-out simply revolves around "well, shit, how will the gang survive this one??"

With only 6 episodes to work with in season 1, and strong source material to guide the story line, there's limited opportunity to bring in new characters in order to flesh out something that to date has only existed on the pages of a comic book. Sure, if they'd had 3 episodes to lead this guy in, he probably would've been a more complex character, but take it for what it's worth...it's the actor who played one of the bad guys in Cliff Hanger thrown into a role where he has 45 minutes to become an identifiable and vilified presence. I think that was achieved, albeit in a manner that was a little over-simplified and cliche.

Given the developments with his brother (which I think Norman Reedus has done a good job portraying so far), and the apparent zombie-induced psychosis on the roof, I'm willing to ride this one out.

I've also noticed that most everyone here seems to enjoy jumping to immediate conclusions based on small amounts of footage. I'm going to withhold judgment on the "gang" scenes shown from next week until I've actually seen the episode, but continue to enjoy rolling around in speculation (on that and other bits) if you'd like.

11/15/2010 10:01:24 AM

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"one question i had was with the guy left on the roof. why saw his entire hand off? why not saw the handcuffs or the pipe bracket he was handcuffed to? or worst case, saw only his thumb off so he could slide his hand out? and correct me if i'm wrong, but if one were to saw his hand off, wouldnt the person bleed out before he got anywhere close to getting all the way through? i would think the person would pass out from the sheer pain and then bleed out while passed out. that part seemed really far-fetched for me."

Perhaps you missed the sequence in the episode where he has clearly gone bat shit insane. Or maybe you skipped the episode where he was introduced as a racist ass maniac.

I was a little bit surprised to see the hand sitting there, but at the same time, if he thought the zombies were about to break through and wanted a quick solution, the whole hand was the obvious choice.

11/15/2010 10:04:19 AM

Also managed to win another prize @ the galaxy last night...3 weeks in a row

11/15/2010 11:01:13 AM

I'd say we're supposed to suspend belief and accept that desperation/adrenaline powered him through.

I'm actually more interested in him as a character now because he's likely even more unpredictable and has a huge chip on his shoulder about being left to die. I appreciate also that the brother isn't made out -- at least not yet -- to be as far gone and racist as he was/is.

11/15/2010 11:07:10 AM

Sawing your own limb off to escape has been done before... In this case, I'm guessing he panicked when he couldn't cut through the handcuffs fast enough. He was already going kinda crazy, so it's not too far-fetched to think he would resort to that.

11/15/2010 11:22:15 AM

Also enjoyable: Seeing Shane take every ounce of his frustration out on that fat wife-beating asshole.

11/15/2010 11:25:36 AM

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"Or maybe you skipped the episode where he was introduced as a racist ass maniac. "

i fail to see how that has anything to do with sawing his own hand off and the logistics of it..

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"I'm guessing he panicked when he couldn't cut through the handcuffs fast enough"

ok i can believe that.

[Edited on November 15, 2010 at 11:48 AM. Reason : .]

11/15/2010 11:46:58 AM

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"i fail to see how that has anything to do with sawing his own hand off and the logistics of it.."

From your original post, you questioned why he didn't opt for a number of different more logical alternatives. This overlooked the fact that he's a crazy motherfucker who probably wouldn't opt for the most logical of options, which was evinced by his hand laying there on the roof.

11/15/2010 12:01:12 PM

Well it showed him just rambling crazily on the roof for a few minutes. After being severely dehydrated and probably sunburned and with the imminent threat of zombies right at the door (he probably didn't know it was chained shut) he wanted to get away as quickly as possible without thinking straight.

11/15/2010 12:31:16 PM

Two moments that were worth the price of admission:

1) The faces of Shane and Lori as Rick walked up for the first time.

2) Daryl: "Choose your words carefully."
Shane: "Oh I did, douche bag is what I meant."

11/15/2010 12:33:27 PM

Sucks that there are only 3 more episodes for now

11/15/2010 2:51:50 PM

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"Which should be interesting because cutting off his hand, he'd likely bleed out very quickly and there would be a nice blood trail they'd be able to follow to find out where he went. "

Well the only way he's alive, period, is if he used some sort of tourniquet, which isn't inconceivable. He seemed to be referring to having been in the military; he would have learned something as simple as that there, and the only really good time to use it (amputation).

11/15/2010 2:52:09 PM

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"what the hell do you care if the people washing your clothes laugh while doing it?"

Because you're insane?

I'm going to try and check this out at Galaxy next week. Figure I'll grab tickets early then go eat dinner nearby.

11/15/2010 4:20:41 PM

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"It's free. I feel like this has been mentioned repeatedly. It's free, they give away prizes for trivia, some of the regulars are pretty funny, and so really unless you live far from the Galaxy there's no reason not to watch it there."

It's been mentioned that they show it there, but the reference to "tickets" and no explicit direction otherwise made me think it costs $$$. It's good to know it's free, maybe i'll swing by next Sunday.

This is probably my favorite show on TV right now.

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"Also enjoyable: Seeing Shane take every ounce of his frustration out on that fat wife-beating asshole."

i liked that part too.

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"Well the only way he's alive, period, is if he used some sort of tourniquet, which isn't inconceivable. He seemed to be referring to having been in the military; he would have learned something as simple as that there, and the only really good time to use it (amputation)."

He was definitely in the military. And it's clear that him and his brother, despite being scumbags, are also skilled hunters/outdoorsman, so they are going to be resourceful.

[Edited on November 15, 2010 at 5:09 PM. Reason : ]

11/15/2010 5:04:26 PM

he had the belt to use as a tourniquet.

I want to love this show, but so far i simply like it. :/

11/15/2010 6:55:10 PM

Chick is banging some other dude 1 month max after finding out he is dead? She's a whore. Also, the redneck characters in this show make Georgia look stupid. The wife beater, the racist brothers, and the wife beater's retarded family.

This show is emphasizing the thing I hate most about survival type shows -- completely irrational characters. Is this really the best way for the writers to create drama?

11/15/2010 7:43:30 PM

While I do somewhat agree, how many rational people do you know period? Your average person isn't too smart, doesn't have the greatest self control, and isn't really all that good at logical reasoning to start with. Now throw in a completely fucked up situation and how do you think people would behave?

11/15/2010 8:05:28 PM

Plenty of people have been caught in weird situations with random people and they weren't nearly as fucked up weird. It just kind of makes it unbelievable. I'd just like to see people who have more of a rational trip into inhumanity, not ones that just start there.

11/15/2010 8:22:49 PM

^^This.

11/15/2010 8:26:15 PM

I don't get what's so irrational about the characters.

A racist hillbilly who can do a few things well? I know someone like that.

11/15/2010 10:48:12 PM

Well I DVR'd the first 2 episodes and sat down to watch them last night. Really fucking loved them, and then started up the 3rd while it was still recording. So far I really like it. And I think watching it all at once was a lot better. After reading this whole thread and completely avoding any of the trailers and ads for it (since I knew I wanted to see it anyways) made it that much more interesting. Plus not having read the backstory, I'm a complete n00b to the storyline.

I have seen Shaun, Zombieland, Dead Set, and a few others. I actually prefer the zombie development in this instead of the HOLY SHIT OMG Zombies everywhere! that you get from some of the more old school movies. But I guess I need to see 28 Days Later. Seen that referenced several times and have yet to check it out.

11/15/2010 10:52:52 PM

Some of the stuff in this episode didn't sit well with me. Not in any particular order: the old guy getting all bent out of shape over a tool; the wife beating hill billy (though did love seeing the shit beat out of him); the cop making up several other reasons to try and make like he needed to go back to the city...maybe some others.

It was okay overall. I did enjoy seeing the crossbow be used for silent kills

11/15/2010 11:21:25 PM

i just finished ep 3

watched 1 and 2 last night

i like it so far

i mean, it is def entertaining enough to keep me watching, which i can't say for many shows at all these days!

11/15/2010 11:22:55 PM

If you think the caricatures are believable, maybe you will believe anything.

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"While I do somewhat agree, how many rational people do you know period?"

Many. Most of the people I know

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"Your average person isn't too smart,"

Maybe not book smart, but they certainly have the common sense to thrive.

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"doesn't have the greatest self control,"

Disagree. The vast majority of people are good rule-followers

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"and isn't really all that good at logical reasoning to start with."

I disagree. This is a very antisocial impression of people, to put it nicely.

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"Now throw in a completely fucked up situation and how do you think people would behave?"

A whole lot better than they are on the show. Crazy shit happens all the time, and people don't behave like cartoon characters. Some dudes were recently trapped in a fucking mine for 3 months. People live in Africa. The ratio of rational to irrational on the show is way off and hints at limited creativity of the writers.

11/15/2010 11:54:05 PM

Love the show but after the next three episodes we have to wait almost an entire year (next october) for more zombie goodness. Sad panda.

11/16/2010 12:07:00 AM

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"Crazy shit happens all the time, and people don't behave like cartoon characters. Some dudes were recently trapped in a fucking mine for 3 months. People live in Africa."

I'll see your Chilean mine and raise you a Hurricane Katrina, which might as well have been "Lord of the Flies" but with guns. And yeah, people live in Africa. They also do horribly unspeakable things to each other there.

People are just monkeys who have mostly stopped throwing feces at each other. Your opinion of the rest of the human race is, sadly, greatly inflated from reality.

It also bears mentioning that certain kinds of irrational/crazy people might be more likely to survive the scenario presented than rational ones. Who does better when zombies attack and society collapses: the lunatic militia-member survivalist with supplies and guns, or the cubicle drone who puts in 100% at his office every day to get promoted and maximize his utility?

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I definitely think that wolfwebbers going to the Galaxy show should meet up there. BoondockSt and I typically get there around 9:15, which offers some time for meeting, greeting, and discussing in the lobby. In other words, I'm starved for human contact.

11/16/2010 12:31:15 AM

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"the old guy getting all bent out of shape over a tool;"

What's wrong about the guy being upset about his tools being lost? Seems like a valid concern to me, especially when replacing them is gonna be difficult.

11/16/2010 6:43:40 AM

I wish everyone would stop comparing this to 28 Days Later.

28 Days Later was NOT a zombie movie. They were not undead/re-animated in that movie. They had a rage virus. They were still alive and never died.

11/16/2010 6:51:23 AM

^The differences in the infected are negligible.

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"What's wrong about the guy being upset about his tools being lost? "

I can get giving the guy hell about losing his other tools. Anyone would be pissed. But when they start trying to bargain hard is where I kinda missed a step. At that point it seemed like they weren't a tight-nit community of survivors trying to help each other, but rather a loose association of tiny bands of survivors living with each other, all with their distinctly own belongings. I would just figure they would be much more helping and giving towards each other, but I suppose the tensions in the group are already sky high.

11/16/2010 8:18:34 AM

This show is okay and I will continue watching but I have no anticipation for it coming on like I did with Mad Men and Breaking Bad

11/16/2010 9:25:24 AM

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"Crazy shit happens all the time, and people don't behave like cartoon characters. Some dudes were recently trapped in a fucking mine for 3 months. People live in Africa"

False. Perhaps you need to netflix/buy/download a little show from Discovery called 'The Colony,' and then get back to this thread with a reevaluated and more informed opinion.

In 2 seasons of that show, in which the participants knew the whole thing was completely fictitious, there were still a healthy number who nearly went bat shit insane, or otherwise acted like the exact "cartoon characters" and stereotypes you so firmly believe don't exist in real life.

11/16/2010 9:28:10 AM

Wow it is seriously not going to be a year until season 2? That is bullshit. If they are gonna wait so long they need more than six episodes in the first season.

11/16/2010 9:29:53 AM

Was the 6 episode first season simply a product of the uncertainty surrounding possible viewership?

When episode 6 ends, I'm going to be until next October...

11/16/2010 9:48:57 AM