I mean technically an ambulance can blow through an intersection at 70mph with their sirens and lights on if they want to, but they don't because that's fucking idiotic and would probably cause an accident.

5/28/2010 1:05:06 PM

God,

Read two posts above yours, EMS/FIRE follow the same policy.

5/28/2010 1:06:59 PM

What about a green light?

5/28/2010 1:10:12 PM

For law enforcement a green light is good for any speed, but the same general rules apply of being aware of your surroundings and incoming/oncoming traffic and side streets etc..

Fire/EMS same thing, but I believe they actually have a max speed limit. Like 20 MPH over posted or something of the sort. They are more limited by the trucks they are driving.

5/28/2010 1:14:34 PM

What about Batman?

5/28/2010 1:15:34 PM

With the power combined with the lack of accountability that most officers have these days, they probably think they're fucking Batman.

5/28/2010 1:16:27 PM

If you can catch Batman, you can have him. Lord knows, detective Harvey Bullock has been trying to catch Batman for a coon's age.

[Edited on May 28, 2010 at 1:18 PM. Reason : and we see what he has to show for it.]

5/28/2010 1:17:42 PM

That's not what I was asking, asshole.

5/28/2010 1:18:14 PM

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"A COON'S AGE"

5/28/2010 1:19:00 PM

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"With the power combined with the lack of accountability that most officers have these days, they probably think they're fucking Batman."

LOL, biased much?

5/28/2010 1:19:36 PM

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"Both vehicles had green lights, according to Sgt.Jeff Gordon, public information officer for the NC Highway Patrol."

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"Witnesses in the report state the troopers car veered to the right in an attempt to avoid a collision but was unable. The report says there were 88 feet of tire impressions from Goodnight's car before impact. Witness also say that Goodnight had blue lights activated but did not hear a siren. Investigators say they do not know at this time if the Goodnight was using his siren."

http://www.digtriad.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=142850

also linked in the article is the crash report: http://www.digtriad.com/news/pdf/fatalcrashreport.pdf

If you feel like decoding all the numbers and whatnot: http://www.ncdot.org/doh/preconstruct/traffic/safety/reports/TSI/DMV349_Manual.pdf

5/28/2010 1:21:15 PM

I actually think that's why State Highway Patrol has had so many issues. They are one of the largest law enforcement agencies in NC. But they are spread throughout the state. They have limited supervision as they are spread so far apart.

It's reasonable to see why they start doing their own thing without any reasonable supervision.

5/28/2010 1:22:19 PM

1000 words (from the crash report):

5/28/2010 1:26:08 PM

You're optimizing for an incredibly uncommon case... Simple engineering fundamentals state that this is not efficient

5/28/2010 4:14:08 PM

looks like if the cop was a skilled driver, he couldve either gone to the left or right of the turning car...you'd think people trusted to drive 120mph would be trained to drive 120mph on public streets

5/28/2010 4:19:59 PM

Damn, if being a cop came with NASCAR training, I might do it

5/28/2010 4:23:12 PM

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"LOL, biased much?"

Uh, no.

Cops get away with shit all the time. Have you never heard of the Blue Code of Silence?

5/28/2010 4:26:11 PM

^^I'm pretty sure cops have to take aggressive driving training, and other vehicle training in things like inclement weather, high speeds, etc

looks like Goodnight wasn't the best driver

5/28/2010 4:37:20 PM

im sure this has already been said, but i only read pg 1

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""It rips at my heart for something like this to happen, but troopers have a job to do," Glover said. "They try their best to keep everybody safe, but sometimes things happen.""

they have a job to do...to keep people safe. going 120 chasing after a minor speeding ticket is not keeping people safe

5/28/2010 4:45:21 PM

You're right, we should just let speeders go. I'm sure they're WAY less likely to hurt people on more occassions than cops do.

Totally good argument

5/28/2010 6:02:36 PM

No rather than let them go, we should stop them at all costs, even if it means going 180mph with no siren on public streets

Catch them at all costs, or die trying...or kill other citizens while trying

In fact if this guy were going 66 in a 65, the cop should do anything possible to catch the driver, even if it means driving the wrong way down a highway at 180 mph

Because there are never any rapes or robberies or assaults or murders going on to worry about, when we can focus on speeding tickets and seatbelt violations

Because clearly there are only two options...let all of them go...or catch all of them at all costs

5/28/2010 6:16:54 PM

only Sith speak in absolutes

5/28/2010 6:40:11 PM

I love how there's no middle ground.

Either we use all necessary means to stop speeders including Apache helicopters.

Or we let all speeders go as they kill other people.

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^You're the hyperbolic one, idiot.

[Edited on May 28, 2010 at 6:40 PM. Reason : ]

5/28/2010 6:40:36 PM

i haven't read this thread but i've noticed it's been on p1 for pretty much the entire day

anybody wanna fill me in on why it's made it to 7 pages

5/28/2010 6:41:52 PM

Because some idiots on TWW think that regular people going 100+ mph is less dangerous than cops doing it

5/28/2010 6:44:01 PM

Because people are using exaggerations that have very little to do with the original topic to prove their points.

5/28/2010 6:51:59 PM

^ i figured that. i mostly meant which dumbasses are making which dumbass points

5/28/2010 6:52:47 PM

Well, I am of the school that thinks the woman driving should have reasonably been able to avoid the collision, and, the result was tragic but shit happens.

TreeTwista thinks that we should stop cops from chasing speeders if they are going a certain speed.

Others think the guy deserves everything that comes with a murder charge for the cop.

5/28/2010 6:54:53 PM

cool thanks

5/28/2010 6:56:55 PM

I'm not into pointing fingers, but its the usual suspects.

See page 4 and 5 for examples. However, I do feel that I now have learned more about baseball.

5/28/2010 6:59:42 PM

Welcome to the thread containing retarded amounts of people trying to make parallel statements that are in no way parallel with the conversation

5/28/2010 7:00:04 PM

I really feel like GOD needs honorable mention for thinking that he can play in the MLB because he has good depth perception

5/28/2010 7:03:08 PM

I have question that's related... and I'm in the camp that there was no reason he needed to be doing 120mph to catch that car, I thought they had radios for a reason. But my question is: (hopefully someone on here is in law enforcement) Why do police, sheriffs and HP constantly speed? Just driving down the interstate they're always 20+ over, seems like if you're after speeder you'd drive the limit or below and let them catch you but I really think it sets a bad example and waste a ton of fuel when you multiply out the reduced fuel economy and the number of cops out there.

5/28/2010 10:40:12 PM

I see cops do 60+ mph down Western all the time.

5/28/2010 10:52:19 PM

The same pretense that makes it not OK for a citizen to do 120 in a 55 is the same reason it should not be OK for an officer to (outside of serious circumstances). Speed limits are not just for the safety of the driver, they are for the safety of everyone else on or around the road.

I do not see how you can blame someone for failing to yield when you are traveling so fast they could not see you in time to yield. Had this been an interstate it would be a little different because all cars are traveling the same direction and easy to avoid but this cop should have known it was unsafe to drive double the speed limit on a highway with stop lights and oncoming traffic.

5/29/2010 8:55:33 AM

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"A N.C. Highway Patrol trooper was injured Thursday evening when he crashed while pursuing a suspect south of Shelby, police say. The crash happened about 7 p.m. on Charles Street, police say. They say the trooper, whose identity has not been released, was pursuing a suspect wanted for reckless driving. As the trooper came over a hill, he swerved to avoid a head-on crash with another motorist who was turning into his driveway. The trooper's car sideswiped the other car, then went off the road and slammed into a power pole, snapping it in half. The trooper was trapped in his car for almost 45 minutes until being freed, according to authorities. the injured trooper was airlifted to Carolinas Medical Center, and he is expected to recover from his injuries. The motorist who was being pursued got away. The driver of the car struck by the trooper was not injured. "

[Edited on June 4, 2010 at 10:45 AM. Reason : /]

6/4/2010 10:44:53 AM

^source

6/4/2010 10:47:22 AM

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"Trooper JD Goodnight who was involved in a crash that killed two people is back on the job."

http://www.digtriad.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=144156

6/23/2010 12:46:27 PM

More like Trooper Brandy Norwood Goodnight

6/23/2010 12:47:15 PM

http://www.myfox8.com/news/wghp-story-eyewitness-85-accident-100715,0,4200205.story

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"HIGH POINT, N.C. (WGHP) - An eyewitness to a May 23 incident that involved a highway patrol trooper and a 55-year-old Thomasville woman says there was no high-speed chase prior to an accident that killed the woman and an 11-year-old girl. Terry Johnson said he witnessed the accident and The Highway Patrol's story is not correct. According to a collision report released by the Highway Patrol, Trooper J.D. Goodnight was in pursuit of a blue Pontiac Grand Am driving 80 mph in a 55 mph zone. The trooper's vehicle reached speeds of 125 mph before slowing to 95 mph at the point of impact. According to the report, the red Honda driven by Sandra Allmond, 55, of Thomasville, failed to yield as she turned left across the southbound lanes of Business 85 and was hit by Trooper J.D. Goodnight's patrol car. Tire impression's from the patrol car were noted 88 feet before impact. Allmond died at the scene of the accident. Her grandson and two other children, including 11-year-old Taylor Strange, were in the car at the time and were transported to Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center. Taylor died at the hospital. The report also says witnesses stated the trooper's car veered to the right to attempt to avoid a collision and the trooper had his blue lights on. The witnesses did not hear a siren. Johnson, however, told The Jamestown News there was no high-speed chase. Johnson said he was driving on Business I-85 around 11:40 a.m. Sunday when he spotted a highway patrol vehicle. Johnson was about one-half mile from the River Road intersection when a trooper pulled in behind him. "I figured he was running my license tags," Johnson told the paper. "He pulled right in behind me and stayed there." Shortly after the trooper pulled behind him, there is a sign a quarter mile from the intersection that has two flags and a flashing yellow light. According to Johnson, this is where the trooper pulled out from behind him in the left lane and immediately accelerated. Johnson said he turned his blue lights on approximately four car-lengths in front of him. "From the time he pulled out, he probably had three to four seconds before impact," estimated Johnson. "He did try to slow down, but by then it was way too late. The Honda was already out in the middle of the intersection. She never knew what hit her." Johnson said his truck was close to the same gray color of the trooper's vehicle. He said Allmond may have seen his vehicle traveling 55 mph and assumed it was safe to turn. Johnson insists the trooper was not involved in a high-speed chase. "I'm telling you that is absolutely impossible," Johnson told The Jamestown News. "I had a clear line of vision both ways and there was no speed vehicle going either way. If he was on a chase, all he had to do was pull out in the left lane and get it. So why would he take the time to follow me at 55 mph for a quarter-mile?" Johnson said he arrived at the accident scene with two other witnesses, Donald Ross and Michael Perry, who were traveling northbound behind Allmond and witnessed the accident. "We were right behind the car as it turned at the light," Ross told the paper on July 10. "We saw every bit of it." Ross, however, could not confirm or deny whether the trooper was involved in a high-speed pursuit. All three witnesses helped the crash victims until EMS officials arrived on scene. Johnson said he was interviewed by three state troopers at the scene prior to him making a witness statement. "They were primarily interested in whether he had his blue lights on and whether he had the green or red light (at the intersection)," Johnson told the paper. "Of course, I told them it was green and that he hit his blue lights about four car-lengths in front of me after he pulled out." Johnson told the paper he was interviewed by Sgt. Mark Davidson at the scene of the accident. "He and his partner came to my house the following day, Monday, and interview me on tape for about an hour and a half. He asked specifically did I get the sense that Officer Goodnight had any urgency to do anything, and I said no," Johnson said. "He pulled in behind me... and then he kicked his car in the butt and took off and killed two people. That's the bottom line," Johnson said. Sgt. Jeff Gordon told the paper that Sgt. Davidson interviewed three people traveling in the southbound lane. He said the discrepancy in stories stems from whether the trooper followed Johnson and then sped off. Sgt. Davidson declined to comment on the report. Johnson said he waited six-weeks to go public with his story because there were two separate investigations going on. "I was obviously involved in the first investigation (the accident reconstruction), but I find it remarkable that in the second one no one has bothered to call an eyewitness, the first guy on the scene," said Johnson. Noelle Talley, Public Information Officer for the N.C. Attorney General's Office, told the paper their involvement is limited due to liability issues. She said in anticipation of a lawsuit being filed against the Highway Patrol, their office, along with the state's insurance carrier Traveler's Insurance, hired an outside engineering firm to review the accident. Currently, the highway patrol does not have a protocol about driving speeds when a trooper is trying to catch up to a car. Troopers are instructed to never drive above their ability and to not jeopardize their lives or the lives of others around them. Johnson told the paper he felt the time was right to come forward. "I can't carry this around anymore," he said. "I feel like it's my duty to two families who are still grieving and are not getting any answers. They're willing to put out erroneous information to protect one of their own, which is what it looks like to me. They've had this long to straighten it out and haven't done it, and it's not right. It stinks." An official with the State Highway Patrol told the paper the final report should be completed soon."

7/16/2010 9:11:33 AM

^ i'm sorry, but i don't believe joe schmoe over the cop...you can hate on cops because they're cops all you want and you can have the opinion that the cop made a mistake, but i truly don't believe they'd just up and pretend there was someone speeding just for the thrill of going 120mph with their lights on

[Edited on July 16, 2010 at 9:15 AM. Reason : .]

7/16/2010 9:15:00 AM

What reason does the eyewitness have to lie? What does he have to gain?

What reason does the trooper have to lie? What does he have to gain?

7/16/2010 9:15:47 AM

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"What reason does the eyewitness have to lie? What does he have to gain?"

basic hatred and/or disdain of cops? 15 minutes of fame?

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"What reason does the trooper have to lie? What does he have to gain?"

what reason does the trooper have to go 120mph with his lights on if there isn't a "chase"?

i see your attempt at a point, but given your "all cops are bad RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RAWR RAWR RAWR" attitude, i know exactly where this is going

[Edited on July 16, 2010 at 9:18 AM. Reason : .]

7/16/2010 9:17:29 AM

I dunno, what reason does a cop have to turn on his lights to go through a stop light when there's no emergency? Or break any other law?

Because he can. And you don't want to fuck with him or else he'll make your life a living hell? And even if he gets caught, the good ol' boys will make sure he gets paid leave for a few weeks and then put him back on the job.

7/16/2010 9:19:42 AM

I mean, if there was a speeder... where is this speeder? Surely he called in a speeder before taking off on a chase, right? Just waiting for them to release that information....

7/16/2010 9:20:34 AM

why would they lie? just like you probably would. a general, unfounded hatred for any person in law enforcement. instead of thinking that criminals are the scum, you think LEOs are the scum. You would strip them of their rights, their weapons, and their funding, leaving them powerless to do their job. And you hold them to impossible standards, where if you make a mistake at your job, you expect very little in consequences, but if a LEO makes a mistake, you expect his/her life to be ruined.

[Edited on July 16, 2010 at 9:23 AM. Reason : ,]

7/16/2010 9:23:03 AM

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"It was a 'Jump to Conclusions' mat."

7/16/2010 9:24:55 AM

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"I dunno, what reason does a cop have to turn on his lights to go through a stop light when there's no emergency? Or break any other law? Because he can. And you don't want to fuck with him or else he'll make your life a living hell? And even if he gets caught, the good ol' boys will make sure he gets paid leave for a few weeks and then put him back on the job."

hahaha, you're so butthurt...i'm sure you go home and cry into your pillow when you get a ticket, don't you?

your arguments are always the same: "cops are all bad, they all break the law and they will all fuck you up and get away with it if you question them"...jeebus, you whine more than any little bitch i've ever heard

yes, some cops are douchebags...just like some tww users are douchebags (*cough*)...it's kind of sad that you don't realize how you bitch and moan and group them all together, though

7/16/2010 9:25:38 AM

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"From the time he pulled out, he probably had three to four seconds before impact,"

55 to 120 in four seconds? yeah right.

7/16/2010 9:29:48 AM

I'll say this.

I don't have things against cops. Yeah, some of them are douche bags that join the force just because they can finally get back at the folks from high school who were mean to them.

I do know, however, that if I witnessed a cop do something, and then I find out he made up a story to make it look like it wasn't as bad or he didn't do anything wrong or anything you can bet my ass I'd be stepping forward to call him out on that.
Just like if I witnessed a cop being wronged by someone and that person happened to have the upper hand and has a more believable story, even though it's a law, I would call that person out.

Maybe that state trooper was doing something wrong, or maybe the witness is a cop hating eye witness, who knows.

7/16/2010 9:34:35 AM