11/5/2010 6:47:00 PM

Look at that crazy bitch

11/5/2010 6:50:05 PM

As up in arms as people are about this, not even double the amount that showed up for the blockade are attending the Paint Me As I Am event, which is the reasonable and correct response to this whole thing.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Paint-Me-as-I-Am/107351535965776#!/event.php?eid=115518981846084

It's a great idea and I really hope more than 50 people show up.

11/5/2010 7:16:32 PM

As the one black friend that Netstorm has and keeps refering to, I feel obligated to say that I am outraged by his claims that he is not racist.

11/5/2010 7:20:20 PM

But you know I use it affectionately! I only put on the Southern plantation owner accent and glare daggers at you to drive home the love in the relationship.

11/5/2010 7:22:46 PM

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"No one could do shit because their protest stopped before it even started. They were disbanded before the 8am classes and only hindered people from midnight to 7:30am, which would mean people coming back from late night studies to their dorm. And yes, I would press the issue and get in their face if they restrict me access to a public area and force their hand. Like someone said, go through and if they touch you, file for assault charges. Go protest to the side."

So, if nobody could do shit because their protest stopped before it affected anyone, what's the problem? Their protest accomplished their goal. They drew attention to the racism.

Also, you would have a tough time filing assault charges on them when the police are telling you to go around and escorting you. This action had the support of the university, which granted the permit, and the police, who escorted people around and kept anyone who was inconvenienced from getting violent. So I'm sorry, I have a tough time believing you would do shit, and if you did try to do shit, it is very likely it would backfire in your face, as it would be you who escalated the situation.

Besides, how would you break through a wall of people without touching them? I mean, the second you touch them is the second you assault them, and any retaliation by them would be by defense. And with the support of the school behind them, you would just end up with a kicked ass crying on a message board.

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"sure there's been some interpretations with litigations that force a public forum operated by a university to conform, but FET isn't really operated by the university, it just happens to be on university property. "

Wat?

FET is VERY much operated by the University. How is it not operated by the University, when they renovated it about 4 years ago, they send people out to spray over hate messages, they clean it, and they ensure that the tunnel is safe. We all know that they paint over areas of the wall if people put racist or relatively rude remarks on it. It's in every way operated by the university.

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" What do you want the university to do? Spend a shit ton of money to have a security camera system in place to police the FET? Then you will have people complaining about privacy laws or how it's just a complete waste of money on a stupid project. Or hire security people to patrol the tunnel 24/7? It's just not realistically feasible."

Why do you ask me what I want the university to do, then you propose a solution as if I proposed the solution, then you argue that it's a bad idea. Oh. I know. It's a strawman. Just so we're both clear, you wasted your time trying to put words in my mouth. I never proposed a camera system or even 24/7 patrolling.

What is realistically feasible is every morning they send a person or two with a can of black paint and they look for racist or derogatory comments that create a hostile environment and they paint over it. You know, what they have been doing for years. And if someone does put something bad up that students have a problem down, let them protest.

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"but the thing is that you have to show the intent and meaning of the word, phrase or speech to be classified as a hate speech towards a group"

Are you now saying that "Look at this Nigger" isn't hate speech? Really? First of all, I'm not proposing that we go on a man hunt for the person who wrote it on the wall. All I'm saying is that I have no problem if the school censors it from their wall and if they allow some students to protest it.

[Edited on November 5, 2010 at 7:32 PM. Reason : .]

11/5/2010 7:30:15 PM

Dude... you erased every contact I had in my phone, and then entered in the number for every fried chx restaurant in the phonebook...

11/5/2010 7:30:57 PM

merbig,

I'm saying the proponents who allowed them to protest with the use of a blockade were wrong. Who ever gave them the permit shouldn't have given them in the first place. If the Chancellor didn't show up at 7.30am and convinced them to move along, you are talking about a sticky situation of where a high probability of confrontation would erupt that doesn't involve anything about racism. 30ppl vs a few thousand would just be a huge PR disaster.

I will tell you this, yes I would confront them and incite others to go against them if they block a path from me getting to or from class. Sure you could say that the Police back them up, but I'm willing to put that to the test for something so stupid like this. If they protested on the side, I would have no issue with them. I probably won't do the assault charge thing since that's a pussy way out, but you could sue them.

Also, it's easy to break through a wall of people without touching them, ever heard of chicken? I'm sure there would be a lot of creative and stupid ways to get people to not touch you and yet still pass them. For one, get a line of football players in line and make them look like they are charging them... tell you won't move from that; then you got some balls. Or a group of fat guys in speedos.


In the terms of FET not being operated by the university, it's more of a public space/domain I mean and not restricted to anyone. A web forum operated by a university such as a website would probably just have students and have a different set of rules to govern by. I didn't really explain it correctly at 4 in the morning.

I wasn't exactly asking you directly, it was a rhetorical question, but provided something I would think of as a solution. And personally, the policy of the University to just paint over them already is good enough. What else do they want? I mean they want to find people who put shit up on FET and take action in some sort of form like banning them or take academic action, or worse, regulate and/or remove FET all together.


Yes, I honestly don't think "Look at this Nigger" is hate speech. Is it racist? yes. Do I support the people who paint it up there? no. Should people get all bat shit crazy about this? no, paint over and move along. This is stupid.

11/5/2010 8:32:56 PM

i wish it was a whiteout instead

I LOVE COCAINE

11/5/2010 8:42:02 PM

It's a hell of a drug

11/5/2010 8:55:14 PM

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"Yes, I honestly don't think "Look at this Nigger" is hate speech. Is it racist? yes. Do I support the people who paint it up there? no. Should people get all bat shit crazy about this? no, paint over and move along. This is stupid."

Yeah guys can't you just react the way I do?

11/5/2010 9:39:46 PM

JBaz, you seem like a good guy, you really do.

But they were authorized to protest. They blocked the tunnel early in the morning where they inconvenienced a few people. I see nothing wrong with them blocking the tunnel early in the morning when nobody was using it. It's not like much larger protests in which people obtain permits to have entire roads closed down, or the rave this past December when people flooded Hillsborough street and blocked the functioning of the road. Which it's funny, because most people here were like "stupid police, tryin' to ruin fun and shit, shoulda let us party in the street and hold everybody else up."

Here we have people who actually have an issue, and they're trying to get attention to the issue. They blocked the tunnel for a few students early in the morning, in which the police monitored and made sure the people inconvenienced were accommodated appropriately.

And we can play the "what if" game all day long. Going into some asinine scenario where they didn't disband at 7:30 is a waste of time. Fact of the matter is the University got them to go away so that they wouldn't be a problem. So again, what's the problem?

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"I will tell you this, yes I would confront them and incite others to go against them if they block a path from me getting to or from class."

This is what I was talking about with your little plan backfiring. Inciting violence or a riot is a great way to get kicked out of school. You don't seem like a dumb ass, and I'm thinking that you're letting your emotions get the better of you in this discussion. You're not going to do anything. Besides, you said you're a student. What stopped you from going over there last night and confronting them?

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"Sure you could say that the Police back them up, but I'm willing to put that to the test for something so stupid like this."

Really? The University likely told the police to monitor the situation and accommodate anyone who is inconvenienced. And after the "little" rave last May, do you really think the police will just let them intimidate them? No. They aren't. All they would have to do is put 2 police officers at each entrance and people would back down. Again, I'm not buying your BS.

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"Also, it's easy to break through a wall of people without touching them, ever heard of chicken?"

Dude. You're Chinese. I doubt a 300lb black guy is going to be scared of a 130 lb Chinese guy. Not to mention, you wouldn't be dumb enough to do it if the police are telling you to fuck off. They would probably arrest you for trying to incite violence.

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" I'm sure there would be a lot of creative and stupid ways to get people to not touch you and yet still pass them."

Yet none that couldn't be construed as trying to incite violence.

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"For one, get a line of football players in line and make them look like they are charging them... tell you won't move from that; then you got some balls."

LOL! Good luck convincing them that they should risk suspension by the school or any disciplinary measures by the ACC for creating negative press and attempting to start a riot. Come on, lets get back to reality.

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"Or a group of fat guys in speedos."

LOL.

And as far as the University governing the FET. I understood what you meant. All of the buildings allow people who aren't students to go into them. Hell, you don't even need to be a student to use the library (granted, after about 10 or so, they do kick non-students out). Just because the public is able to have access to it doesn't mean that it's not operated by the University.

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"What else do they want?"

To draw attention to this and show they don't support this type of shit. That's the general premise of a protest.

11/5/2010 10:31:51 PM

Best merbig post ever. A+++++++++++++

11/5/2010 10:52:08 PM

I'm just trolling away. I don't really care about this issue anyhow. I'm just envisioning funny conflicts to this moot point.

Excuse me while I go paint this on the wall.


FYI, that's racist to infer that I'm 130lbs as a Chinese guy... I'm 140lbs thank you very much. Also, I wouldn't be inciting others in the area to join my. I would have a group already assembled and rushing the point with everyone wearing speedo's and covered in petroleum jelly.

11/5/2010 11:32:15 PM

I tried to call out JBaz last night, but the internets was acting funny and wouldn't let me post.

1) The Asian talk was weird. At one point he was talking about how some small Asian kid might be coming back from the library and get confronted by the protestors, and the next, he was talking about creating an Asian gang to fight the protestors. It was just weird.
2) This quote: "Funny in the sense that people over react to very stupid things and IMO it seems as though everyone in America has lost their balls and think everything is out to get them."

Everyone in America has "lost their balls?" Certainly not you, JBaz, and if you read this thread, you'll realize almost darn near everybody (excluding me and a few others) agrees with you. You're setting yourself up as some victim of a PC culture...when apparently, you and many, many, many other people are content to tell the minority of us to get over it and move on. Quit acting like you're some lone warrior in the fight for free speech.

And that goes for the rest of you, too. YOU'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT. YOU'RE NOT ALONE.

Fools like me are.

11/5/2010 11:46:41 PM

^hinse the "getting group together in speedo's" idea...

11/5/2010 11:51:26 PM

I'm responding to your original lengthy post:

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"If I was on main campus at the time and had to get the class but was blocked by some cocksuckers because they got their feelings hurt, I would have recruited every Asian on campus and overrun their positions while we yell, "YOU AIN'T GOT SHIT ON CHARLIE NOW BITCHES" and probably some other quotes from an obscure jap anime that only 3 non-asian people in the US saw."

And your recent fantasy about the Asians and Asian-Americans greased up in petroleum jelly seems just as bizarre. Why are you envisioning this as some sort of stand-off between largely black protestors and Asians? It's weird as all get out, yo.

11/6/2010 12:35:52 AM

I grew up in Japan... nuff said?

11/6/2010 3:48:52 AM

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"Dude... you erased every contact I had in my phone, and then entered in the number for every fried chx restaurant in the phonebook..."

Look, the watermelon stand didn't have a phone (I asked) and the Food Lion has all the non name-brand fruit/cream soda you could ever need.

Don't even lie, you use your phone so much more now.

11/7/2010 2:52:16 AM

Sounds like rap lyrics to me....

11/7/2010 4:12:50 AM

I'm not reading this whole thread or doing any research but if someone could tell me, in 25 words or less, what the point of barricading the FET was? Why not just paint the shit and move on? You're not changing anyone's backward opinion on minorities by staging a ridiculous protest. The dudes that painted it are probably getting off at your anger, and honestly, "raising awareness" is such a white thing to do

11/7/2010 4:28:06 AM

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"I'm not reading this whole thread or doing any research but if someone could tell me, in 25 words or less, what the point of barricading the FET was? Why not just paint the shit and move on? You're not changing anyone's backward opinion on minorities by staging a ridiculous protest. The dudes that painted it are probably getting off at your anger, and honestly, "raising awareness" is such a white thing to do"

I believe the protest was a bad idea for the same reason you do: because the point was lost as hell on everybody. I'll direct you to a pretty good quote from earlier in the thread:

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"I fully support the blockade of the tunnel. Scrawling hate-speech on the walls is a big "Stay out of here by threat of violence" directed at blacks, with 300 years of lynchings, slavery, and truck-draggings to back it up. Until the blockaders actually attack someone trying to enter I'd say they're making a pretty poignant symbolic statementy mirroring the sentiment that's been directed at them."

11/7/2010 8:40:19 AM

I agree that the university can censor whatever words are painted in the tunnel, but they need to rename the Free Expression Tunnel to the Politically Correct Tunnel because that's what it really is. The tunnel was funded, built, maintained, (albeit with our tax dollars) and the content seems to be regulated by the state.

If a private individual paid for and built his or her own tunnel, wrote the word "nigger" on the inside walls, and then the state moved in to censor it, I would have a HUGE problem with it.


I do not agree with the blockade though.

11/7/2010 10:10:26 AM

^

11/7/2010 10:20:01 AM

11/7/2010 12:19:21 PM

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"I agree that the university can censor whatever words are painted in the tunnel, but they need to rename the Free Expression Tunnel to the Politically Correct Tunnel because that's what it really is. The tunnel was funded, built, maintained, (albeit with our tax dollars) and the content seems to be regulated by the state. "

So far as I know, it wasn't "free expression" to begin with. There are certainly images and words that wouldn't have flown, in there, prior to this. Due to legal considerations or otherwise

11/7/2010 12:28:50 PM

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"they need to rename the Free Expression Tunnel to the Politically Correct Tunnel "

11/7/2010 12:35:39 PM

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""It's free expression, but nobody is walking through, regulating it," she said. "

-Monique Bonds

[Edited on November 7, 2010 at 5:24 PM. Reason : that is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard]

11/7/2010 5:23:57 PM

someone should build a fake brick wall and make it look like the whole FET was sealed off and have the sign "they broke the FET's feelings, please stand by till the mood shifts"

11/7/2010 7:05:23 PM

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"Sounds like rap lyrics to me..."

11/7/2010 7:14:36 PM

^^^ She needs to learn from Lincoln: Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

11/8/2010 10:05:46 AM

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"-research indicating that job applicants with white sounding names have a 50 percent better chance of being called back for an interview than their counterparts with black-sounding names, even when all qualifications are the same -the study that found white job applicants with criminal records have a better chance of being called back for an interview than black applicants without one, even when all the qualifications are the same -massive nationwide study that estimated at least 1 million cases of blatant job discrimination against blacks, Latinos and Asian Americans each year, affecting roughly one-in-three job seekers of color -black males with college degrees are almost twice as likely as their white male counterparts to be out of work"

Prove to me that this is statistically racial. Anyone with a professional job knows that qualifications are only the second or third most important things in a job interview. Also, how many white people ALSO aren't being called back for these jobs/interviews? How many people total applied for the job, and how many of that total were black? The above "highlights" make it look like one black guy and one white guy applied for a job, and this is what happened. When it could be statistically significant for any number of reasons. Let's be honest, you can find professional, successful black people all over the place.

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"Believing words have no power is a privilege that comes from living in a society where your racial/economic class is the one on the upper end of the power structure."

Stop making racially dividing remarks when you attempt to back up the minority. This gets your point ignored so fast... Wow. Believing words have no power comes with an education, which the people blocking the FET should have already.

disclaimer: I believe racism towards blacks still exists in the obvious minority of others. that said, it is still completely and unnecessarily overblown by the black minority constantly, who needs to man the fuck up. Sheesh, we don't still hear women bellyaching like this all the time, and they got their rights way after black men did.


PS - if you post my... Mural(?) in the FET, please spell "unfazed" correctly. I fucked that up (thanks [user]quagmire[/user] for pointing that out)

11/8/2010 12:29:00 PM

should we put "AstralEngine approves this message"? to give credit where it's due?

11/8/2010 1:11:45 PM

lol, please do

11/8/2010 2:30:31 PM