Quote :

"Yes, he came in"

teehee


I am grateful for http://votesmart.org/index.htm. I can read up on candidates.

[Edited on October 19, 2011 at 8:08 PM. Reason : YAY!! I am voting in the primary. w00t!!]

10/19/2011 7:58:26 PM

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"I support health care reform, I do not support a single payer government run healthcare system. There are lots of ways that health care can be reformed without it being run by the government."

then what would you do? have you ever worked in actual health care or some type health care affiliated job? i have been an emt for over 5 years as a volunteer and worked for a market leader in surgical device manufacturing. i have also worked as a sales director for a medical billing company dealing straight with insurance companies.

all of this has allowed me to spend extensive time in hospitals, as well as VA's, various types of dentistry, primary & extended care practices / centers ... you get the picture. by saying this i have a unique first hand experience at seeing health care and the way its offered. furthermore, i have seen the types of FRAUD that is associated with the current system.

so, please tell your experience in the greater health care community, prufrock

Quote :

"that's what I thought. I have been sweating since I have been posting in this thread."

i love you amna lol

[Edited on October 19, 2011 at 9:52 PM. Reason : hilarious]

[Edited on October 19, 2011 at 9:53 PM. Reason : ccfail]

10/19/2011 9:50:37 PM

of course Prufrock like the pizza CEO

10/19/2011 10:23:50 PM

I've been licensed to sell life and health insurance and know the business inside and out.

Eliminating fraud and tort reform are two big steps.

[Edited on October 19, 2011 at 11:23 PM. Reason : ]

10/19/2011 11:22:46 PM

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"And here we are back to page one of one. If there's no real meat and potatoes out there, how can you be so sure that it will kill the lower middle class and below?"

because he's proposing a tax plan that shifts the burden substantially to the poor and middle class during the middle of a recession. That's just plain idiotic.

I guess I can see how people like Cains "outsider" status or whatever, but there's no logical reason to support him based on his economic policy. I posted this back on like page 2, then you started to see the media pick up on this too.

10/19/2011 11:25:13 PM

We can argue the impact on the middle class, but the poverty exemption in his plan covers the poor.

10/19/2011 11:26:43 PM

tort reform is the biggest goddamn racket ever

10/19/2011 11:28:11 PM

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"tort reform"

this is bullshit

there are fewer medical malpractice cases with judgments in favor of the plaintiff in north carolina each year than i have fingers

10/19/2011 11:31:24 PM

^^^
ha

the fact of the matter is that a vote for Cain is a vote for a tax increase on myself, and most likely yourself and the vast majority of all BUT the wealthiest TWWers.

that makes 0 sense from any perspective.

10/19/2011 11:35:16 PM

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"'ve been licensed to sell life and health insurance and know the business inside and out."

cool, im glad we can discuss this in some higher level of understanding.

i know this is a little off topic and who cares ... regardless i dont agree with you about the tort reform but something has to be done about the fraud. I am not in 100% support of a govt. ran system but leaving it wide open is killing us. plus the costs are 16% of our fucking GDP.

i feel like we are being held by the balls when it comes to health care reform.

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"Meanwhile, a staggering 10 percent of all Medicare and Medicaid dollars continue to be lost to waste, fraud and abuse. The problem has become so bad that the HHS inspector general said Medicare fraud is more lucrative than the drug trade, with “easy money, less violence and lighter punishments.” Indeed, organized crime has flock to Medicare fraud as documented by “60 Minutes” and other news programs."

http://thehill.com/opinion/editorials/188359-start-with-fraud-ed



[Edited on October 20, 2011 at 9:47 AM. Reason : [Edited on October 20, 2011 at 9:46 AM. Reason : d]]

10/20/2011 9:39:54 AM

“If you don’t have a job, and you’re not rich, blame yourself.” —Herman Cain,

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2011/10/the-crisis-in-a-nutshell-occupy-wall-street.html

10/20/2011 9:43:52 AM

Yeah, him saying things like that make me wonder how much he could really do for our nation. That can't be his retort if he were President.

10/20/2011 10:03:04 AM

thats why i said he hates poor people and prufrock acted like i was talking out of my ass

10/20/2011 10:04:51 AM

I don't think that means he hates poor people. When he said for the Occupy movement to blame themselves part of it is for electing Obama and part of it is he is trying to encourage people to work harder and not demand on someone else to provide for you. If you want to interpret that as hating poor people, it's your right to.

I more wanted to comment that allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines would be beneficial to reducing cost also and is another way to reform healthcare without making it a single payer system. I think I'm going to make a thread for you guys to discuss healthcare reform though, I'd really prefer this one stay on topic.

10/20/2011 12:59:32 PM

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"Cain had a particularly tough time in the debate with questions on foreign policy. But there, too, he played the amateur who sees what the experts can't. "I have consulted with foreign policy experts. Let me tell you what they have told me: 'Herman, all you need is character and common sense and intelligence, and we have plenty of people who can help fill in the details,'" he said. If you believe it's that easy, Herman Cain is your candidate. "

lol

10/20/2011 2:30:24 PM

lol at Cain's talking about his abortion position.

I think bill Maher nailed it when he says Cain is pulling a trump and just trying to sell himself. He's not serious about being president.

10/22/2011 4:07:03 PM

I think he has serious intentions, he's just not a politician so his words are unrehearsed and abrasive. But it seems that it is getting some appeal from a lot of voters. I don't think he's just trying to sell himself. What is he selling? He's no longer the CEO of Godfathers (at least i dont' think he is from what the TV tells me).


I like him because he's not a politician, and has brought a REAL idea to the table. Regardless of whether it's good or bad, I give the man credit for trying to really better America. And since he's switched to the 9-0-9 plan, it seems he's even willing to tweak his idea to better fit the nation and not burden the poor.

By no means do I think he hates poor people. I do think he believes that people who are jobless and do nothing to contribute to society and try to blame others and expect government handouts are worthless. But so do I.


Unfortunately I don't think he'll get the nomination. We need someone with more foreign policy experience, which unfortunately nobody has except Huntsman, and that's the ONLY thing I like about the guy pretty much.

It would be pretty cool if Cain reached out to a foreign policy expert as his running mate. I'd love to see John Bolton (former ambassador to the UN) team up with him. Don't think he's interested in the job though. But it would be a good pairing to make up for what Cain lacks in diplomacy.

10/22/2011 4:57:55 PM

he is trying to sell his "brand", books and make sure his attendance is up at all his motivational speaking engagements (i believe that is primary source of income)

what he said about abortion just shows more incompetence to me (in terms of how to be president). i now just found this video where he clarifies
http://www.thedailybeast.com/videos/2011/10/21/herman-cain-understanding-abortion-debate.html

so i guess if elected he will make abortion illegal. he's done

[Edited on October 22, 2011 at 7:44 PM. Reason : adsf]

10/22/2011 6:05:50 PM

I would nominate Herman Cain on the simple basis of making the KKK's head explode.

10/22/2011 6:22:55 PM

^^^
I don't understand what you're saying. Cains statements on abortion don't come off as just unrehearsed or "folksy" or whatever, he is either trying to snowball people or he's an idiot. If he is just figuring out his abortion position at this stage in the game, something is wrong. He clearly hasn't put much thought into it.

You wouldn't hire a car mechanic who came off as an average Joe over the mechanic that could prattle on about engine compression ratios, why would you want a president who came off as simplistic? Seems backwards...

10/22/2011 7:19:30 PM

http://gawker.com/5852967/herman-cain-produces-bestworst-campaign-ad-ever

lol'd out loud for 10 seconds at the ending

10/24/2011 10:31:57 PM

Quote :

"“If you don’t have a job, and you’re not rich, blame yourself.” —Herman Cain, http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2011/10/the-crisis-in-a-nutshell-occupy-wall-street.html"

this guy is like my new hero now.

herman cain. 2012. the year we elected the first african american president of the united states.

10/24/2011 10:34:50 PM

that video was the best thing i have seen posted on the internet today by a looooooong shot.

10/24/2011 11:02:16 PM

wow

that's like something SNL would have produced.

10/24/2011 11:06:25 PM

itt liberals watching their first 'non-paid for teleprompter' by the biggest donations in wall street history like this:



[Edited on October 24, 2011 at 11:16 PM. Reason : x]

10/24/2011 11:16:03 PM

Speaking of horrible Herman Cain videos, here's a gem from last month:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oJ-WTFA2vXY

10/25/2011 12:12:28 AM

http://youtu.be/dSlC7BxmSqY

10/25/2011 1:23:18 AM

Quote :

"itt liberals watching their first 'non-paid for teleprompter' by the biggest donations in wall street history like this: "

...

What are you saying?

10/25/2011 1:33:50 AM

nm I missed it!

[Edited on October 25, 2011 at 2:09 AM. Reason : ]

10/25/2011 2:08:29 AM

IF YOU ORDER IT

PIZZA WILL COME

10/25/2011 2:41:23 AM

^ I will say that should he somehow win, I would love to see Samuel L. Jackson become a permanent cast member of SNL


I mean, c'mon, just picture Samuel L. Jackson delivering this speech: http://youtu.be/XiO2VjbDLaA

[Edited on October 25, 2011 at 2:56 AM. Reason : what does Herman Cain look like?]

10/25/2011 2:53:48 AM

Ummm, Kenan does a fine job.

Also, Sam Jackson makes way too much money to take an SNL job. Plus, he's already done a million half-Jules/half-***** parts in things.

10/25/2011 3:00:36 AM

abortion should be illegal.

10/25/2011 10:00:51 AM

lol wat

10/25/2011 11:37:25 AM

Quote :

"It would be pretty cool if Cain reached out to a foreign policy expert as his running mate. I'd love to see John Bolton (former ambassador to the UN) team up with him. Don't think he's interested in the job though. But it would be a good pairing to make up for what Cain lacks in diplomacy."

You don't need to be a foreign policy expert to know that we're wasting lives and money overseas.

Herman Cain isn't talking about any of the changes that need to be made: reversal of our foreign policy, ending the drug war, and dismantling the banking cartel. He's another smooth talking politician, don't fall for it.

10/25/2011 11:52:21 AM

abortion should be illegal

10/25/2011 11:52:32 AM

Holy shit this ad is terrible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhm-22Q0PuM

10/25/2011 12:32:48 PM

when i need a lol
i just watch that ad

the way he shakes his head in the middle to the smoking the butt of cigarette and then, the super tight frame of Herman with a creepy smile.

10/25/2011 12:45:16 PM

I just read the newsweek magazine article. I have respect for his journey but he is still not good enough to be a president, imo.

10/25/2011 1:20:20 PM

no one is its another sham of an election

hell im gonna vote for O'bamma because i dont want to bother with any sort of transition

10/25/2011 1:59:16 PM

I am Americaaaaa...one voice, united we stand...

I am Americaaaa...one hope to heal our laaaaaand!

10/25/2011 2:05:26 PM

10/25/2011 2:11:12 PM

I think Obama wore out the whole "anti-christ" deal

10/25/2011 2:15:13 PM

reminds me of
from undercover brother

10/25/2011 3:58:59 PM

sorry I have to embed this



the cigarette is hilarious to me. Just shows that Herman Cain is obviously not a politician

10/25/2011 4:18:01 PM

I don't get the cigarette symbol. What is it supposed to mean?

10/25/2011 4:35:02 PM

It takes a lot of balls for a politician to make an ad like this. Or incompetence. Or sense of humor.

10/25/2011 4:37:58 PM

10/25/2011 5:19:20 PM

hey look, excel!

10/25/2011 5:35:37 PM

I feel like i've just been rick rolled after watching that ad.

^^^^
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/herman_cain_ad_smoking_cigarette.html?imw=Y&f=most-emailed-24h5
NY Mag tries to answer than very question

[Edited on October 25, 2011 at 5:45 PM. Reason : ]

10/25/2011 5:44:12 PM