obama won the debate

scoreboard update

Romney: 1
Obama: 1

10/16/2012 11:03:23 PM

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"Kind of like when Romney said oil production was down on federal lands, which is fact. Beyond dispute."

That's true, Obama was wrong on that question.

If if Oil companies can overall increase their production without taking public land, which is what has happened under Obama's watch, then how is that a bad thing?

Private lands get used, more energy is produced, and we don't rape mother nature.

GG Obama, even though he's misinformed.

10/16/2012 11:04:29 PM

A misinformed President, yay! And after only 4 years.

and lol at Supplanter's poll.

CBS has them THAT CLOSE? CBS?

ha,

cant wait to see everyone else's results.

10/16/2012 11:06:20 PM

pretty sure mother nature doesn't differentiate between public and private land.

10/16/2012 11:06:34 PM

^ true but private land gets raped anyway, good to not have both.

10/16/2012 11:08:39 PM

I'm a pretty hardcore republican, and I shutter to think what will happen when public land is opened to drilling/mining.

Ever drive through VA or WVA where a mountain used to be?

10/16/2012 11:26:22 PM

^yup. My uncle lives in Va and drives a truck for the coal miners. They literally call it moving a mountain. It is sad to see what they are doing. I feel for him though, as it is his livelihood.

10/16/2012 11:30:33 PM

^^2X

[Edited on October 16, 2012 at 11:31 PM. Reason : d]

10/16/2012 11:31:00 PM

Not just CBS polling calling it an Obama victory.

This just out from Public Policy Polling:

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"PublicPolicyPolling ?@ppppolls Colorado voters give Obama a 48/44 victory in the debate- more importantly 58/36 among independents. Sample is R+3"

And CNN just out with these numbers:

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"Obama 46% Romney 39%"

[Edited on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2012 11:33:10 PM

46/39 on CNN

Obama/Romney

10/16/2012 11:33:50 PM

^^^^^ You don't have to think that hard what will happen. Remember Deepwater Horizon?

[Edited on October 16, 2012 at 11:34 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2012 11:34:03 PM

I also don't agree with a ban on assault rifles.

Thanks to you Mr. Obama, the price of them just went up based on your comment. Its been said so many times by my cohorts, but its true. Ban things like assault rifles, and its only going to hurt those that follow laws.

You think the guy from CO would have not gone through with his attack if he wasn't able to legally buy a Bushmaster at Dick's?

And Deepwater Horizon was a freak accident. Those are going to happen regardless. We'll never get those mtns back.

[Edited on October 16, 2012 at 11:37 PM. Reason : dsaf]

10/16/2012 11:36:50 PM

^^ I'm surprised Obama didn't bring up the oil spill, but Romney could've said its somehow Obama's fault for that.

^yeah, too bad all these kids don't have two parents at home to stop them...I guess my dad raising me by himself is so evil in Romney"s eyes...

[Edited on October 16, 2012 at 11:39 PM. Reason : Stupid ipad]

10/16/2012 11:36:52 PM

Not sure where he was going with that, kinda took me by surprise.

10/16/2012 11:40:51 PM

Good thing I've already bought my assault rifle.

10/16/2012 11:43:59 PM

10/16/2012 11:44:23 PM

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"Oil and gas production on public lands has fluctuated during the Obama administration, but it has increased modestly (about 13 percent for oil and about 6 percent for gas) in the first three years of the Obama presidency, compared to the last three years of the Bush administration, according to an analysis from the Energy Information Administration. Production on private lands has increased more quickly, particularly through hydraulic fracturing for oil and gas in Texas, North Dakota and the Marcellus Shale formation in Pennsylvania and Ohio. Regarding drilling permits, the Department of Interior produced a report earlier this year showing that drilling permits received and issued by the agency had indeed declined from the last years of the Bush administration to the first years of the Obama administration. In fiscal year 2007, the government issued 8,964 permits to drill on public lands; in 2008 the figure was 7,846. The numbers for 2009 and 2010 were 5,306 and 5,237. This is a reduction, but not by half, as Mr. Romney asserted. Mr. Obama said here that 7,000 permits had been granted but were not being used by oil companies, an accurate figure, according to the Interior Department. The administration froze all deep water drilling and slowed shallow water drilling in the Gulf of Mexico after the Deepwater Horizon blowout and spill in 2010. Since then, the Interior Department has approved more than 750 drilling permits for the gulf and production is approaching prespill levels, although it is below what was projected before the accident. Before Deepwater Horizon, gulf oil production was 1.75 million barrels a day, and it was projected to increase to 2.2 million barrels a day by this year. Instead, because of the yearlong halt on new drilling, production is about 700,000 barrels a day lower than forecast. Much of that oil is being replaced by Saudi imports, experts said. Mr. Obama stated that renewable energy production had doubled during his presidency, which is true, and that oil imports were at their lowest level in 16 years, also accurate. He also said that the boom in natural gas production could produce 600,000 new jobs, a highly optimistic estimate, but he qualified it with the word “potentially.” But Mr. Obama mischaracterized Mr. Romney’s energy plan, saying it was written by oil companies and favored only traditional sources of energy — oil, gas and coal. But Mr. Romney’s energy plan does include a place for renewables, although he would sharply cut back on federal subsidies for wind, solar and other alternative energy sources. "

more thorough fact checks
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/debates/presidential/2012-10-16

10/16/2012 11:44:52 PM

They are both afraid of the NRA. Gun control is one of the few issues they agree on.

10/16/2012 11:45:03 PM

Hell, I'M afraid of the NRA! Those people have a lot of guns. I try to make it a point not to piss off someone who uses an assault rifle for duck hunting.

[Edited on October 16, 2012 at 11:48 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2012 11:47:43 PM

"assault rifle" is a meaningless term.

Romney pushed for a state-level assault weapons ban in Mass. as gov.

10/16/2012 11:49:02 PM

wow I had to close out of the Pack Pride debate thread...too many ignorant rednecks over there

10/17/2012 12:15:51 AM

Republican pundits are very quick to describe obama as angry, which is of course one of THE black male atereotypes.

[Edited on October 17, 2012 at 12:43 AM. Reason : H]

10/17/2012 12:41:50 AM

^^ it might literally be the biggest collection of idiots on the internet

10/17/2012 12:42:25 AM

http://www.facebook.com/romneybindersfullofwomen

10/17/2012 12:51:21 AM

no offense walter but most of those "ignorant rednecks" on packpride are graduates of this university, a lot of them business owners, and a lot of them donors to our school...so I know why they side the way they do and most other will someday whenever they make worth a damn.

[Edited on October 17, 2012 at 12:54 AM. Reason : BOOM]

10/17/2012 12:54:22 AM

^ Ignorant Redneck

10/17/2012 12:58:30 AM

http://bindersfullofwomen.com/

http://bindersfullofwomen.org

Also,



[Edited on October 17, 2012 at 2:01 AM. Reason : .]

10/17/2012 1:35:25 AM

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"no offense walter but most of those "ignorant rednecks" on packpride are graduates of this university"

Seems about right to me.

10/17/2012 2:16:07 AM

Was this posted yet?

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"HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. (AP) — Police say the Green Party candidates for president and vice president have been arrested at the second presidential debate. Nassau County, N.Y. police say Jill Stein, the Green presidential nominee, and Cheri Honkala, the vice-presidential nominee, were charged with disorderly conduct as they tried to enter the debate site at Hofstra University. The Green Party says in a statement that Stein and Honkala were walking with supporters toward the Hofstra campus Tuesday afternoon when they were met by uniformed police officers. Stein and Honkala then held an impromptu press conference in which Stein called the debate a "mockery of democracy." A third person was later charged with disorderly conduct."

http://news.yahoo.com/green-party-candidates-arrested-debate-011030548--election.html

10/17/2012 2:16:56 AM

she had this to say:

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"If you have done the work to get on the ballot, if you are on the ballot and could actually win the electoral college by being on the ballot in enough states, then you deserve to be in the election and you deserve to be heard. The American people deserve to hear choices which are not bought and paid for by multinational corporations and Wall Street. This is why we are not hearing the critical issues in this debate."

she's absolutely correct.

10/17/2012 3:09:27 AM

She is correct, but as long as the debates are run by private media companies then they Dems and Repubs will keep being able.to force them to ignore third party candidates.

We need more than campaign finance reform in this country, we need election reform.

[Edited on October 17, 2012 at 6:54 AM. Reason : .]

10/17/2012 6:53:15 AM

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"no offense walter but most of those "ignorant rednecks" on packpride are graduates of this university, a lot of them business owners, and a lot of them donors to our school...so I know why they side the way they do and most other will someday whenever they make worth a damn."

This is just idiocy. I'm sorry but when someone is successful they don't automatically vote Republican like you are trying to imply.

And let's not act like Richard Vaughn and Jim Goodnite are arguing about Herb Sendek on Pack Pride here.

[Edited on October 17, 2012 at 8:24 AM. Reason : C]

10/17/2012 8:23:56 AM

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"She is correct, but as long as the debates are run by private media companies then they Dems and Repubs will keep being able.to force them to ignore third party candidates. "

what the heck?

10/17/2012 9:57:17 AM

what's the question about for that? its true.

10/17/2012 9:59:57 AM

3rd party candidates do enough to sabotage themselves without needing any media help.

Republicans and Democrats not wanting them to participate has nothing to do with corporate interests or whatever the hell tinfoil hat bullshit you subscribe to online tells you.

Libertarians would suck votes from Republicans, Green Party would suck votes from Democrat, etc.

It's truly a simple principle.

10/17/2012 10:08:18 AM

10/17/2012 10:10:29 AM

^^ and they would bring attention to the many areas where Democrats and Republicans agree, these areas are not being debated.

It's not a conspiracy to recognize that media outlets don't want third party (for many not-crazy reasons) and the only way they will get in a debate is if it is required.

10/17/2012 10:17:08 AM

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"^^ it might literally be the biggest collection of idiots on the internet "

I bet GOLO has Pack Pride beat.

10/17/2012 10:41:09 AM

haha there is no way Obama won that debate.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/17/romney-won-second-debate/?intcmp=trending

10/17/2012 10:43:40 AM

10/17/2012 10:44:08 AM

gotta love how over the top biased foxnews is

10/17/2012 10:46:59 AM

10/17/2012 10:48:54 AM

^^You could say the same about MSNBC (or cnn to a lesser extent)

[Edited on October 17, 2012 at 10:49 AM. Reason : ]

10/17/2012 10:49:14 AM

^^^^^

lol, talk about tinfoil hat

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" Dick Morris is a Fox News contributor and author. He is the author of the forthcoming book, "Here Come the Black Helicopters: UN Global Governance and the Loss of Freedom." His latest book is "Screwed! How Foreign Countries Are Ripping America Off and Plundering Our Economy-and How Our Leaders Help Them Do It Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/17/romney-won-second-debate/?intcmp=trending#ixzz29ZHCowRI"

[Edited on October 17, 2012 at 10:50 AM. Reason : .]

10/17/2012 10:50:15 AM

Did CNN or MSNBC claim Obama won the first debate?

10/17/2012 10:50:40 AM

^@Smath

HAHAHA

That has to be a satire piece

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" Romney explained his tax plan well and to everyone's satisfaction."

[Edited on October 17, 2012 at 10:54 AM. Reason : ]

10/17/2012 10:53:10 AM

I guess if by explaining his plan means he has no real plan, that would be a correct statement.

10/17/2012 10:54:12 AM

Nope, not even a little. To be fair, Romney did do, relatively speaking, better.

This is just my opinion but, by and large, the left is more willing to admit shortcomings than the right is. But it still doesn't happen enough.

10/17/2012 10:54:18 AM

He answered the question, the woman asked if her deductions were safe and he said no.

10/17/2012 10:57:59 AM

His plan has a lot more clarity than anything Obama has to offer... has he even passed a budget during his term? maybe the first year but not after that.

10/17/2012 11:01:22 AM