id still want them out

but thats a separate issue we dont need to create a magnet drawing them to public areas like parks. it can create an epidemic

8/26/2013 9:25:12 PM

haha so the problem is serving food in the park, not all the homeless people in your neighborhood

LOL

8/26/2013 9:28:21 PM

woosh

you swung and missed the point again

keep trying

8/26/2013 9:30:11 PM

what about picnics in the park?

8/26/2013 9:30:44 PM

^^woosh

you just went outside and got accosted by homeless people

yet somehow you won

lol

[Edited on August 26, 2013 at 9:31 PM. Reason : ^NIMBY!]

8/26/2013 9:31:06 PM

NIMBYNIMBYNIMBYNIMBYNIMBYNIMBYNIMBYNIMBY

8/26/2013 9:33:55 PM

Quote :

"Feel free to host any of these types of events in any other park in the city"

8/26/2013 9:35:32 PM

what about picnics where homeless people aren't allowed?

8/26/2013 9:36:41 PM

artificially high amount of homeless on left, normal amount of homeless in a bad economy in an urban environment on right. right is okay, left is not.

its not an issue of kicking homeless out of Raleigh, its about not attracting all of them to this one park that other people would like to use.

duh

8/26/2013 9:38:50 PM

seems like a legit graph

8/26/2013 9:40:37 PM

seriously, i'm down for a nice picnic in a park, but i don't want any homeless milling around and begging for food at the table like stray dogs.

8/26/2013 9:49:54 PM

"I paid $300k for this DTR studio, and my back yard has an artificially high number of nigras"

8/26/2013 9:51:24 PM

what is with your correlation of black people to homelessness?

8/26/2013 9:55:08 PM

homeless= black person

low-income neighborhood= black people

this isn't TWW rocket science...

8/26/2013 9:56:45 PM

I'm not the one doing the correlating. This is what "homeless" means in this thread.

8/26/2013 10:03:42 PM

Homeless (for me) in a rural enviroment is waaay better. Less human threats.

The homeless I know- 75% are abusers of the system. The rest are actually down on their luck and trying to do better. I've been there. Trying to get my shit back together and not having anywhere to turn. It sucks.

BigHitSundaymost of the bums I've encountered are like you describe, its the ones you don't see, folks working, but living in cars, the ones who keep out of sight who really need help. I get pretty pissed off when someone is hittin me up for change or is trying to flip their EBT card, etc. Those make it alot worse for people who actually need help. (Hope you're doing good, Chris!)

8/27/2013 1:25:27 AM

Quote :

"artificially high amount of homeless on left, normal amount of homeless in a bad economy in an urban environment on right. right is okay, left is not."

It's really not okay.

8/27/2013 8:24:59 AM

Seriously if you work downtown you will understand. I tend to sympathize with homeless and would take people out for food weekly. But when you work downtown ESPECIALLY if you rock a tie... Holy fuck they act like you carry a grand around in your pocket and owe them a piece. If you go between buildings a lot... Like from an engineering firm to an architecture firm they ask you for money so many times you'd yell at them if they were your own children. And as had been said most of them feed you a bs story and are so drunk/ high they don't even remember feeding you a different line of bs the day before.

When I had time I used to have a litmus test, if you asked them to help you with something and they did... Fuck yeah I'd give them money but if they get pissy if you ask them for directions or something like that, and they get pissy, you are cutting into their scam time.

I dunno I have mixed feelings. If it were just one or two I'd be ok, but getting asked 5 times every time you walk down Fayetteville st. gets me all .

8/27/2013 8:50:23 AM

Hi colter - glad to see you're doing well and thanks for sharing your personal experience

This is interesting: http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g49463-d277306-r156287542-Moore_Square-Raleigh_North_Carolina.html - lots of reviews of Moore Square from the past few years about the homeless deterring visitors

8/27/2013 9:36:03 AM

Quote :

"It's really not okay."

you are dumb or reading something into the word okay that is not there

8/27/2013 10:21:02 AM

you're being awfully condescending in this thread.

8/27/2013 10:23:49 AM

that's because of the high level of dumb

8/27/2013 10:25:01 AM

when you're trying to explain your position, it helps if you're not a total douche

8/27/2013 10:30:55 AM

explaining my position, and convincing anyone to agree with it, is not my goal

[Edited on August 27, 2013 at 10:58 AM. Reason : mostly because begonias already ended the thread]

8/27/2013 10:54:13 AM

Quote :

"mostly because begonias already ended the thread"

only because no one cared to respond to her multipointed essay of bullshit

8/27/2013 10:59:51 AM

feel free to try to respond to it

8/27/2013 11:02:02 AM

Quote :

"explaining my position, and convincing anyone to agree with it, is not my goal"

what is your goal for posting in this thread?

8/27/2013 11:04:30 AM

well now my goal is to watch begonias' post embarrass adultswim when he tries to respond to it

8/27/2013 11:05:36 AM

oh, cool.

8/27/2013 11:10:15 AM

^^
research her points yourself if you care to be informed.

i know you're not that stupid so it's pretty clear you want to get a rise out of me

8/27/2013 11:26:20 AM

Is there any place that homeless people can legally sleep?

If not, what should they do? Die?

8/27/2013 11:29:59 AM

researched

her points stand

your turn

8/27/2013 11:34:21 AM

k

1. several people already pointed out how stupid this is

2. shelters are not food kitchens, and they often have eligibility requirements (women/children only) and waitlists. none in the vicinity of moore's square serve food on weekends.

3. giving to rehabilitation centers is important, but so is providing immediate resources

4. SNAP benefits are often used for optional payments to food kitchens because homeless people can't cook their own food, nor do they have refrigerators. $200/mo is not enough for someone who is forced to eat out all the time

5. it's hard to help people who don't want to be helped. i agree

6. handouts don't solve the problem, but are necessary in the short term

8/27/2013 11:58:46 AM

When people speak of "scamers" do they have in mind people who have a home and are trying to make money?

Because that's kind of important.

It's also kind of important the Jesus biscuits and panhandling are not the same thing. I don't think anyone has argued against enforcing panhandling laws. Perhaps the most perplexing about these positions - if the people getting the biscuits have a home and do not look disheveled, then what's the problem?

8/27/2013 12:00:54 PM

Quote :

"This is interesting: http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g49463-d277306-r156287542-Moore_Square-Raleigh_North_Carolina.html - lots of reviews of Moore Square from the past few years about the homeless deterring visitors"

Wow, that's pretty bad.

Calling "NIMBY" isn't an argument, it's an appeal to emotion. People are tired of seeing a public square get shit on. Yeah, sure, there's money behind this push, but when you've got people putting big money into making downtown revitalization a success, they're going to throw their weight around.

[Edited on August 27, 2013 at 12:17 PM. Reason : ]

8/27/2013 12:16:22 PM

its also worth noting that people have been complaining about this for years, way before any of this new money that may be involved

8/27/2013 12:18:46 PM

8/27/2013 1:25:24 PM

Quote :

"If not, what should they do? Die? "

Yes, worth is donated in dollars. If they aren't worth anything they deserve to die. Markets solve all problems, human dignity doesn't enter the equation.

8/27/2013 2:00:15 PM

retirees, children, retards and the injured should all die too.

8/27/2013 2:04:03 PM

got confirmation - from a variety of sources - that LW has been receiving warnings from RPD about this for almost two months

8/27/2013 2:15:23 PM

ahahhhahaha

8/27/2013 2:17:12 PM

Meeting tomorrow at 3:00

also FYI, Shepherd's table is already working on plans to open on the weekend. BUT WHERE WILL THEY EAT?

8/27/2013 5:35:04 PM

Quote :

"$200/mo is not enough for someone who is forced to eat out all the time"

their asses can go to mcdonalds like the rest of us

8/27/2013 5:54:33 PM

i saw this homeless fuck get his black ass thrown into the street because he kept aggressively approaching people minding their own business

that shit was funny with his tweakin ass

ive warned that fucker bout 5 different times toi watch how he approached people.

hed be at the top of my list for "relocation"

[Edited on August 27, 2013 at 10:58 PM. Reason : []

8/27/2013 10:57:55 PM

I'm going to start a band just so I can name it Love Whines and the Jesus Biscuits.

8/27/2013 11:06:00 PM

FYI: I've gleaned some ideas and phrases from this thread to compile a letter/response to the news. THANKS GUISE.

8/28/2013 12:58:50 PM

begonias doesn't want them fed because it makes them easier to chase down and beat with a tube sock of oranges, her favorite late night activity ಠ_ಠ

8/28/2013 1:07:00 PM

STOP SPILLING MY BEANS

8/28/2013 1:10:09 PM

My opinion (not that it matters) is that the city doesn't need to provide anywhere for these folks to feed the homeless especially in a publicly funded park where people (who fund it) avoid because if the homeless population. I've worked downtown since 2007 and most of the "homeless" down here are only looking to get high/drunk.

I am currently standing in the heart of downtown and I just asked Siri where the nearest churches were and there are 15 of them. This week would be great publicity for them to offer their parking lots/buildings.

Also, if the "homeless" would take better care of the park it may not even be an issue.

8/28/2013 3:07:49 PM

set em up

8/28/2013 3:10:00 PM