pilgrimshoes, I agree that raising on the flop, or even turn, would have told you if you were beat. Knowing nothing about the other two players, I have to lay it down. Madragan is likely chasing, considering he's called every bet so far and was in the BB. Tokkenu on the other hand looks like he's value betting given the growing size of the pot.

His small raise on the flop is the kicker. I'd say he was trying to get more money in the pot at that point. The turn and river bets are much bigger, but I've done the same thing with big hands before. If you feel like your hand is unbeatable in a big pot, bet big and you'll probably get paid off.

If you have good reason to think Tokkenu is a fish, you might justify a call. As it stands, Madragan has a slim chance of having a better hand and Tokkenu is certainly betting like he's got you. Fold and hope Madragan calls so you find out what the hell he was playing with.

I have Tokkenu on a straight. FOLD.

1/3/2006 1:13:48 PM

Ok so I am still an idiot. Can someone explain what 'sit and go' means? I thought this was just a normal table with blinds that don't go up. You sit and play, and when you are done, you case out and go. I don't get what a sit and go tourney is or how the blind structure and payout works.

1/3/2006 1:55:06 PM

A sit and go is a tournament that starts whenever it fills up. So, if it is a 180 person sit and go, it starts whenever 180 people register, there is no set time when it begins. There are also single table sit and goes, so whenever the table fills up, the tournament begins. You get chips, for your buyin just like a normal tourney and there are blinds that go up. It is not a cash game and you can not cash out at any time.

1/3/2006 2:21:58 PM

Bullshit poker produces bullshit results. Done with this shit for awhile since I'm the only one at the table taking it seriously b/c I'm the only one at the table playing to pay rent and tuition and bills 2 fucking 4 offsuit...

[Edited on January 4, 2006 at 12:17 AM. Reason : im feeling like i feel whenever i walk thru creekwood...ready to fuck someone up]

1/4/2006 12:15:56 AM

At least you didn't get outplayed by a fucking obvious player when you knew your were beat.

1/4/2006 1:01:19 AM

pilgrim it's so hard to be sure with crazy online players, but since you can't get a physical read on them i like to play on the safe side, i probably would've raised the flop to test the waters, would've laid it down to a big reraise, and would've either checked or bet a relatively small feeler bet on the turn if he only called the flop and checked the turn, but what do i know

1/4/2006 5:04:16 AM

Quote :

"what now? Dealt to pilgrimshoes [Qh Jh] Tokkenu: calls 20 benke26: folds kafluush: calls 20 Anguillian: folds rossalan1 has timed out rossalan1: folds rossalan1 is sitting out RiverRat1976: folds pilgrimshoes: calls 20 dreamp1: calls 10 Madragan: checks *** FLOP *** [Ah Qs Jd] dreamp1: bets 40 Madragan: calls 40 Tokkenu: raises 80 to 120 kafluush: folds pilgrimshoes: calls 120 dreamp1: calls 80 Madragan: calls 80 *** TURN *** [Ah Qs Jd] [4h] dreamp1: checks Madragan: checks Tokkenu: bets 260 pilgrimshoes: calls 260 dreamp1: folds Madragan: calls 260 *** RIVER *** [Ah Qs Jd 4h] [6d] Madragan: checks Tokkenu: bets 600 pilgrimshoes: ????????? "

Ok, time to finish this up I guess.

What range could he possibly be on if he is betting ike this.

first round, limped pot, blinds low, any possible hand i think.

Ax, AK, AQ, AJ, QJ, KT, AA, KK, QQ, JJ or something else a bit more creative.

How many of these hands are more than likely he didnt raise preflop?

Ax, AJ, KT. only one of these hands I can beat.

Unless he was really tricky, which he turned out later not to be, limping early on the first hand with AA/KK/QQ/JJ isnt that bright. If he did do this and set up, then he played it very interestingly, and pretty well, even if unintentionally.

So I think I played this hand terribly, and dont like the whole way it went down at all. It's too weak-tightish, but it's also the very first hand of the tournament. It would be silly to go bust with anything but the nuts on the first hand. It was also dumb of me to drop like 1/3 of my chips on the first hand, but thats another story.

I really think I should have raised preflop. Two limpers, and me on the button, its a good spot to stick a nice raise in no matter what really. This move goes way up in value later on in the tournament, but I like it here to go ahead and show the table that I'm going to be the one with the chips at this table.I like to establish a presence early, and it never hurts to win the first pot. Even if no one calls, thats fine, I dont have to show down something semi-weak. I like a raise here of about 3/4 - pot sized.

Since I didnt do this, i have no say in the dictatorship of the hand.

Now for the flop, as was suggested, I think that a raise here would be good. If i get called and checked to ill bet out again, but called and bet at or reraised, then Id be done with the hand.

Im still not entirely sure what I would do differently, but I think this line would be a better one. I think.

In my mind, hands like this one that dont seem to be that large are the difference makers in your tournaments.

People spend too much time looking at their bust out hands as opposed to other hands where they lost a bunch of chips. You only bust out once, but you spew/bleed off chips all throughout the entire tournament.





***************** oh goddamnit!!!

PokerStars Game #3530404930: Omaha Hi/Lo Limit ($3/$6) - 2006/01/04 - 11:01:50 (ET)
Table 'Kallisto' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: diesel38 ($270 in chips)
Seat 2: RocketRoy8 ($115.50 in chips)
Seat 3: waterboy113 ($61 in chips)
Seat 4: pilgrimshoes ($144 in chips)
Seat 5: Typhoon732 ($68.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Dishwasher ($88.50 in chips)
Seat 8: gocu83 ($228.50 in chips)
Seat 9: fsujayjay37 ($70 in chips)
Seat 10: ablurt ($44 in chips)
fsujayjay37: posts small blind $1
ablurt: posts big blind $3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pilgrimshoes [Kd 2c Ah Ad]
diesel38: folds
RocketRoy8: folds
waterboy113: calls $3
pilgrimshoes: raises $3 to $6
Typhoon732: folds
Dishwasher: folds
gocu83: folds
fsujayjay37: calls $5
ablurt: calls $3
waterboy113: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [Ac 7h 7c]
fsujayjay37: checks
ablurt: checks
waterboy113: bets $3
pilgrimshoes: raises $3 to $6
fsujayjay37: folds
ablurt: folds
waterboy113: calls $3
*** TURN *** [Ac 7h 7c] [3h]
waterboy113: checks
pilgrimshoes: bets $6
waterboy113: calls $6
*** RIVER *** [Ac 7h 7c 3h] [7s]
waterboy113: bets $6
pilgrimshoes said, "thats not a good card"
pilgrimshoes: calls $6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
waterboy113: shows [7d Js Kc Kh] (HI: four of a kind, Sevens)
pilgrimshoes: shows [Kd 2c Ah Ad] (HI: a full house, Aces full of Sevens)
waterboy113 collected $58 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $60 | Rake $2
Board [Ac 7h 7c 3h 7s]

1/4/2006 11:04:10 AM

Wow, that blew.

1/4/2006 11:10:26 AM

RIGGED

1/4/2006 11:30:34 AM

^^^ with that play, I put him on A-6..."I had an ace"...friggin idiots

1/4/2006 12:27:32 PM

i love it when its easy. JK suited, I limp in with the big and small blind.
(.1/.25)
flop: 89T rainbow
checks around
turn:Q

Mr. BB obviously has a jack, and feels invinceable, so he bets a dollar. I raise him to 5 because I know hes not going to let go of his percieved split pot. He calls, and is committed to the hand. Blank on river(7), he bets 5. I put him allin... he calls(J3). easy money.

I know everybody likes to talk strategy, but when its this easy, I like to tell people.

1/4/2006 1:59:00 PM

Got 3rd in a 500+ person $20 mtt on stars tonight... only $1k cash though. I mention it b/c I'm heads up in a big tourney on paradise right now, $5,892 for 1st, $3,771 for 2nd. Whether I win or not, I'll be able to play all day tomorrow and go for the pocketfives.com triple crown!

oh well, 2nd.

[Edited on January 5, 2006 at 6:58 AM. Reason : 2nd]

1/5/2006 6:56:00 AM

^ post on P5 or here if you are gettin close and i'll come watch. gl man

1/5/2006 8:43:29 AM

wow, look at this hand.

PokerStars Game #3541253771: Tournament #17356685, Omaha Pot Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2006/01/05 - 14:45:26 (ET)
Table '17356685 19' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Harleyman51 (102453 in chips)
Seat 2: Bhaminc (53682 in chips)
Seat 4: Fox N Hound (4624 in chips)
Seat 5: pilgrimshoes (12230 in chips)
Seat 6: trojannick (24866 in chips)
Seat 7: FoursFull (6900 in chips)
Seat 8: riverboatray (27190 in chips)
Seat 9: I-J-B (9555 in chips)
riverboatray: posts small blind 600
I-J-B: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pilgrimshoes [Td Tc 2h Jc]
Harleyman51: folds
Bhaminc: raises 3000 to 4200
Fox N Hound: folds
pilgrimshoes: folds
trojannick: folds
FoursFull: raises 2700 to 6900 and is all-in
riverboatray: raises 19200 to 26100
I-J-B: folds
Bhaminc: folds
*** FLOP *** [8h 8d Kc]
*** TURN *** [8h 8d Kc] [Ac]
*** RIVER *** [8h 8d Kc Ac] [3c]
Harleyman51 said, "wwwoooowwww"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
riverboatray: shows [Ad 4h As 7d] (a full house, Aces full of Eights)
FoursFull: shows [8c Kd Kh Qs] (a full house, Kings full of Eights)
pilgrimshoes said, "wow"
riverboatray collected 19200 from pot
trojannick said, "wow"
Bhaminc said, "harley glad your in front of me"
Harleyman51 said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 19200 | Rake 0
Board [8h 8d Kc Ac 3c]
Seat 1: Harleyman51 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Bhaminc folded before Flop
Seat 4: Fox N Hound folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: pilgrimshoes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: trojannick folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: FoursFull (button) showed [8c Kd Kh Qs] and lost with a full house, Kings full of Eights
Seat 8: riverboatray (small blind) showed [Ad 4h As 7d] and won (19200) with a full house, Aces full of Eights
Seat 9: I-J-B (big blind) folded before Flop

this is at a final table btw

[Edited on January 5, 2006 at 2:53 PM. Reason : e]

1/5/2006 2:46:50 PM

got a chance in the first one i entered today.. down to 19 players in the $50 party at 5pm... I'm above avg.

1/5/2006 8:11:28 PM

im railing...take it down man

1/5/2006 8:24:58 PM

final table baby!

1/5/2006 8:38:28 PM

nice...too bad party wont let observers chat or id cheer u on

1/5/2006 8:42:39 PM

damn, chip leader now

1/5/2006 8:46:59 PM

im watchin

1/5/2006 8:49:59 PM

one more eliminated and the crown is yours

1/5/2006 9:05:37 PM

good going jon. you even eliminated 6th

1/5/2006 9:09:25 PM

damn, your 44 vs AK hand was some BS

1/5/2006 9:15:42 PM

haha yeah i was watchin that

im feelin the 1st place finish here

1/5/2006 9:17:01 PM

WOW....what a huge fucking hand! Nice one Turner!

1/5/2006 9:27:13 PM

lockdown now

1/5/2006 9:28:20 PM

all in there?

what'd you have

1/5/2006 9:33:49 PM

ouch

1/5/2006 9:35:30 PM

wow, that blew

1/5/2006 9:37:56 PM

lucked out, i hate when some asshole catches 4 suited on the board. good play turner

1/5/2006 9:38:36 PM

Damn, what a shitty way to get beat with 88 vs A8 and he hits 4 to the flush on the board.

1/5/2006 9:38:38 PM

I know someone was talking about aggressive play on the bubble. Well tell me what you do here.

4 people left in a tournament, you and another guy have 80% of the chips in play. You are the big blind, he is the small blind. You are dealt A8 of spades, the SB calls the blind.

Question 1: Do you raise with a marginal hand against a guy who has been calling EVERYTHING?

The flop comes 8D 7S 4S, giving you top pair, top kicker with a flush draw. SB checks, you bet out 800 (BB is 400, thus the size of the pot.) My stack is about 3200, his is about 3300 before the hand starts. He reraises to 1600.

What do you do here? A call virtually committs you to the pot with over half your chips in. But how do you get away from top pair, top kicker, and the nut flush draw?

I went all in, he calls with 44. I hit my flush on the turn, he boats up on the river.

This put two people who were about to be blinded out in the money. Do you make the same move?

1/5/2006 10:33:49 PM

Anyone else in the $45,000 guaranteed on Stars? Started at 10:15

[Edited on January 6, 2006 at 12:25 AM. Reason : a]

1/6/2006 12:25:22 AM

Another thursday, more shitty poker. I'm basically embarassed to post how poorly I played this shit, and I always know after the fact how I should have played them, but I want to see you guys reaffirm it.

Tourney style, started with 6 people and $100 in chips...blinds were at 1/2 for awhile, then to 2/4 for a bit and then someone thought it was smart to move to 5/10. So we are there and will be for quite a few more hands I imagine. Two guys gone already, dealer to my right has probably ~160, BB to my left probably has ~170, guy after him probably has $55 and limps in (which he does a lot), the dealer limps in which is something he had been doing fairly regularly himself though he wasn't really a call station, just didn't mind playing loose to see a flop.

Now somewhere along the way, I have developed this really dumb idea that I'd rather try and make a move early rather than have my chips just leak away waiting for a perfect hand. That is, I fear that hand will never come and I'll have wasted my time, even though when I played a lot a year ago I was fine with this and on the average I would usually hit this hand eventually and be able to keep hanging on...next week I'll be back to this logic again, but tonight I wasn't. So anyway, I had about 80 in chips to start the hand, definitely not time to start making drastic moves yet. But, I felt with all these guys limping and me holding A5 offsuit I could probably have a decent shot to win if I could get heads up on someone pre-flop . This is very wrong thinking, correct? I should have just limped in myself right?

So anyway, I raise up to $40, which got the BB to fold and he was holding pocket 7s, guy to his left folds, dealer calls. Flop comes 48A rainbow. Dealer bets out $30. At this point I felt based on how he had played before he probably hit on his ace and probably had a better kicker and I was most likely beat. There were a few times where he really just played shit, but I didn't think about it until after the hand that he had only done that when he had made it to the river and he thought he could steal a pot. Had I folded at this point I would have been down to $40 in chips, which realistically speaking I should have just tried to grind it out from here to get the practice from playing that far behind (I fucking need it). So anyway, it was late, I pused it all in, he called, flips over his AQ and won the hand.

1/6/2006 12:30:31 AM

^Don't raise out of position with A-Weak early in a tourney.


PokerStars Game #3547745691: Tournament #17603127, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/01/06 - 01:58:01 (ET)
Table '17603127 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: DrOldSchool (1670 in chips)
Seat 2: Bond0077 (1430 in chips)
Seat 4: Johny Utah (2805 in chips)
Seat 5: jay_emm69 (1040 in chips)
Seat 6: PowerHausAA (1845 in chips)
Seat 8: Johnyo219 (3220 in chips)
Seat 9: DialEight (2360 in chips)
jay_emm69: posts small blind 50
PowerHausAA: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DrOldSchool [Kh Kd]
Johnyo219: folds
DialEight: raises 200 to 300
DrOldSchool: raises 450 to 750
Bond0077: folds
Johny Utah: folds
jay_emm69: folds
PowerHausAA: folds
DialEight: calls 450
*** FLOP *** [Ks 5s Qc]
DialEight: bets 1000
DrOldSchool: calls 920 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Ks 5s Qc] [Kc]
*** RIVER *** [Ks 5s Qc Kc] [Js]
DialEight said, "nh"
jay_emm69 said, "vnh"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DialEight: shows [3c Ac] (a pair of Kings)
DrOldSchool: shows [Kh Kd] (four of a kind, Kings)
DrOldSchool collected 3490 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3490 | Rake 0
Board [Ks 5s Qc Kc Js]
Seat 1: DrOldSchool showed [Kh Kd] and won (3490) with four of a kind, Kings
Seat 2: Bond0077 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Johny Utah (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: jay_emm69 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: PowerHausAA (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Johnyo219 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: DialEight showed [3c Ac] and lost with a pair of Kings

1/6/2006 2:07:30 AM

Thanks for the support earlier on party... I hate that they don't allow observer chat anymore, especially since you can't bitch right after you get knocked out!

But anyway, after that tourney, I ended up winning a 150 person $150 tourney on Paradise for $6k! So that was actually the big one of the day.

Triple crown (actually quadruple)... should be up on pocketfives tomorrow.

1/6/2006 7:16:44 AM

how creepy is this picture.



from the pca blog.

[Edited on January 6, 2006 at 3:09 PM. Reason : e]

1/6/2006 3:09:17 PM

w00t

final hand of a 20+2 mtt plo tournament.

PokerStars Game #3554015897: Tournament #17356786, Omaha Pot Limit - Level XIV (1500/3000) - 2006/01/06 - 20:16:19 (ET)
Table '17356786 9' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 7: maski23 (107136 in chips)
Seat 9: pilgrimshoes (113364 in chips)
maski23: posts small blind 1500
pilgrimshoes: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pilgrimshoes [Ac Ts 3c Ah]
maski23: raises 3000 to 6000
pilgrimshoes: raises 12000 to 18000
maski23: raises 36000 to 54000
pilgrimshoes: raises 59364 to 113364 and is all-in
maski23: calls 53136 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [3s Qc Ad]
*** TURN *** [3s Qc Ad] [5d]
pilgrimshoes said, "gg maski"
*** RIVER *** [3s Qc Ad 5d] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pilgrimshoes: shows [Ac Ts 3c Ah] (a full house, Aces full of Fives)
maski23: shows [6c Ks Kd 9c] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
pilgrimshoes collected 214272 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 214272 | Rake 0
Board [3s Qc Ad 5d 5c]
Seat 7: maski23 (button) (small blind) showed [6c Ks Kd 9c] and lost with two pair, Kings and Fives
Seat 9: pilgrimshoes (big blind) showed [Ac Ts 3c Ah] and won (214272) with a full house, Aces full of Fives


holler

1/6/2006 8:18:49 PM

This is retarded. So for 2 weeks I have played the shittiest poker ever in live games. I get a pokerstars account, the first thing I do is sit down to a 27 300+20 sit n go PLAY MONEY and runner up the bitch. When it went heads up the guy had 29k to my 10k in chips. After a few hands I get J9 suited and double the big blind from the small blind. He all ins. I know I am probably dominated based on how he played most of the tourney but I didnt' feel like trying to really work him (I think I could have) and sure enough he flips over bullets. I almost sucked out a straight which would have been pretty funny.

Anyway.

1/6/2006 10:26:00 PM

Goin to AC tomorrow

leavin to catch the train from manhattan to philly at 5:30am then taking the bus from philly to AC.

its gonna be 5/10 nlh all day unless I see an especially soft 2/5

I'm also gonna see what kind of multis are going on


pz ngas

1/7/2006 12:34:20 AM

^^Are you really bitching about a play money game?

1/7/2006 2:46:56 AM

^^ good luck yo, take it down and represent Ral. up there



[Edited on January 7, 2006 at 4:06 AM. Reason : 78tuyhj]

1/7/2006 4:05:57 AM

Mike D (who some of you may know from my old home games in Raleigh) is here visiting for a bit in Vegas. We went to play the $1k tourney at Bellagio Friday night... 64 players, top 9 paid.

We both get off to a very good start, and we're both a little above avg. most of the way for the first 4 hours or so. Anyway, with 15 players, and only $300/600 blinds, 50 ante, he gets all in with QQ vs. 77 for his $20k or so in chips! (He had the idiot with 77 covered by about 3k) Of course, you know a 7 hits the river, and he's completely crippled and out a few hands later. Such a damn shame, he's either chip leader or right there with the chipleader if he wins the hand.

5 minutes after he's out, I look down to KK in the small blind (now $400/800 blinds, 75 ante). I have about $10k in chips, below avg, but still a workable stack. Utg raises to $2,500, I push from the sb, and he calls with TT. And of course, a T is the door card (first card we see on the flop). So instead of both of us having very good stacks going into the final table, we're both out a few spots before the money on 80/20 preflop all-ins.

The field was relatively easy... "Minneapolis" Jim Meehan was the only real "name" pro playing... incidentally he ended up bubbling for 10th. The format is great (40 minute levels, $5k in chips, starting with 25/50 blinds), and so you have a lot of time to pick up chips off the bad players (mostly satellite winners). I had 4 big pairs all day, KK, QQ, QQ, and JJ. You saw what happened with my KK, and once when I had QQ, Mike D had AK, and I had to check/fold it on a K23 flop. The other time with QQ, I ran into a short stack's AA. And the one time I had JJ, I called a raise preflop really early in the tourney, only to fold it to a big bet on a 9QK flop. So I lost all 4 times I had those big hands... and yet I would've still been in great position in the tourney if my KK held up against TT. I was never involved in any coin tosses whatsoever, and the only time I ever had MY whole stack at risk was on that final KK vs. TT hand.

Oh well, back to the online tourney play on sat and sun... (how can I not after clearing $25k online in the last week?? )

PS - CONGRATS, BEN, on the PL OMAHA tourney win!

[Edited on January 7, 2006 at 7:31 AM. Reason : ps]

1/7/2006 7:29:50 AM

25k?
goddamn, what is an average week like?

1/7/2006 8:25:56 AM

i made it to AC

I have my laptop with wireless with me

off to the borgata, so far AC is pretty empty but i havent been to the more popular parts


gl w/ poker today peoples

1/7/2006 3:11:44 PM

that wasn't an average week by any means... probably $2k is avg... that week was incredible!

1/7/2006 5:04:31 PM

after about 90 min I am up about 600 and then like 3 people leave the table. So a little hungry, i leave too and go to see the ncsu lowlights(no comment)

Ive eaten and I am going back. Won a big hand after calling a 3x bb raise from this dude that raised every other hand with 8h9h and flopping a straight and a gutshot straight flush draw. I basically won about half on that hand

otherwise the table was tight as hell. It reminded me of the bubble time during a tourney. For the first like hour i swear we saw like maybe 5 flops

1/7/2006 5:30:20 PM

looking for a little discussion here:

6 left in a small tourney, top 4 cash. I have the 4th biggest stack with the two shorts covered by about 2.5 rotations i guess. huge stack limps utg, i'm next with 66. i bumped it up bb (shortest stack) pushes in for like 100 more, and utg calls, i call also.

flop brings 1 over card, utg checks to me, i bet about 2 bb, he min raises, i push all in for like 1bb more on top (didn't like it, but kinda pot committed myself by this point, especially since I felt he was capable of making this play without a pair)

i have decided that either a fold or limp in is a better preflop play than the raise since big stack has already shown interest, and the raise + continuation puts in too much of my stack with a really marginal hand. i guess i would just limp if i could do it over, but a straight fold doesn't look like a terrible play either, what do you guys think?

1/7/2006 5:35:40 PM

Quote :

"i have decided that either a fold or limp in is a better preflop play than the raise since big stack has already shown interest, and the raise + continuation puts in too much of my stack with a really marginal hand. i guess i would just limp if i could do it over, but a straight fold doesn't look like a terrible play either, what do you guys think?"

You're pretty much spot on here... if there's a limper in front of me, unless the blinds are enormous, then I like the limp with 66. If it's checked to you on the flop, and the board's not too scary, then a bet at that point will probably take it down. And if you get resistence, you're done with the hand... don't put any more chips in. Plus, you always have that ~1/8 shot of hitting your set.

With a hand like this though, a fold isn't a bad play by any means either (after the limper). If you had no limper in front of you, I'd raise 2.5 - 3x the big blind.

1/8/2006 12:05:46 AM

what plo tourney did ben win?

gg ben

[Edited on January 8, 2006 at 12:36 AM. Reason : .]

1/8/2006 12:32:13 AM