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1/18/2009 2:20:03 PM

we should just lock this thread

there's a whole lot of dumb in here

and not just each side bitching about their point, that's acceptable.

there's just a whole lot of dumb

1/18/2009 2:38:06 PM

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"we should just lock this thread there's a whole lot of dumb trolling in here"

1/18/2009 3:08:32 PM

meanwhile....

herb and #15 ASU are knocking on the door of a top 10 spot after taking out #7 UCLA yesterday.

1/18/2009 4:11:05 PM

Herb is no longer here. Let it go folks. He left. Couldn't handle being Roy's and K's bitch.

Let it go folks.

1/18/2009 4:13:39 PM

so how long will Lowe be able to handle it?

1/18/2009 5:09:46 PM

Herb left because the fans ran him out. despite the fact that he won games, took us to the ncaa tournament, got us to the sweet sixteen, we ran him out of town. i know that his record against UNC and duke sucked, but he still won games, and now he's winning games somewhere else. i wouldnt mind being #15 in the nation. its a lot better than not even making the damn NIT

1/18/2009 5:13:28 PM

got us to the sweet sixteen once

1/18/2009 5:14:59 PM

winning in the pac 10 isnt the same as winning in the acc

1/18/2009 5:16:07 PM

b/c lowe is struggling, sendek is turning into something that he was not in the minds of a lot of people.

1/18/2009 5:19:24 PM

truth

1/18/2009 5:20:55 PM

^^ truth

people also seem to forget that we were on the bubble with 4 of those 5 tourny teams.

a few of those teams were fortunate to even get in

1/18/2009 5:53:55 PM

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"got us to the sweet sixteen once"

Yeah, so? His first five years were spent building the program back up to be mediocre. Then he started to make progress. So he really had just a few years to do something, and in those years he made the NCAAs every year, usually got to the second round, and got the the Sweet Sixteen once. Most programs would kill for that. And we were getting better, gradually. I wonder if most of you were State fans in the 90's. People who didn't want to run off Herb and still think he was a terrible what happened to him probably do remember that era in State basketball.

1/18/2009 6:19:24 PM

I didn't want to run off Herb either, but he got us as far as he was going to get us

1/18/2009 6:20:17 PM

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"And we were getting better, gradually."

not really.

2001–2002 NC State 23-11 9-7 T-3rd NCAA 2nd Round
2002–2003 NC State 18-13 9-7 4th NCAA 1st Round
2003–2004 NC State 21-10 11-5 2nd NCAA 2nd Round
2004–2005 NC State 21-14 7-9 T-6th NCAA Sweet 16
2005–2006 NC State 22-10 10-6 4th NCAA 2nd Round

1/18/2009 6:28:19 PM

damn we finished 10-6 back in 05-06

seems like such a long fucking time ago

1/18/2009 6:29:45 PM

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"i know that his record against UNC and duke sucked, but he still won games, and now he's winning games somewhere else"

I appreciate what Herb did for the program and all but the majority of basketball games under Herb just weren't fun to watch, even when we were winning. Looking at the statistics and records is cool at all... but actually going to games and watching on tv (except for a handful of games like the huge comeback against Wake in my freshman year or when we beat #1 Duke) the games just weren't fun to watch

I also just want to clarify that even if I'm critical of Lowe, it doesn't mean I wish we had Herb back or I want Lowe to go right now... I just think it's fair to ask questions of some of his decision making, that's it

1/18/2009 7:19:56 PM

okay that stance is stupid. winning games is always fun.

it was time for herb to go, though.

1/18/2009 7:21:55 PM

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"people also seem to forget that we were on the bubble with 4 of those 5 tourny teams. a few of those teams were fortunate to even get in"

Ironically, the year we didn't deserve to get in was the year Herb did his best. It was all thanks to Hodge. First, hodge got punched in the nuts, which let us get a win against wake in the ACCT. Then, Hodge played his ass off in his last 2 games.

Then we pulled a typical sendek meltdown against wisconsin by practically giving away the fucking game.

Hodge made sendek, just like Rivers made Amato, just like great recruits make countless coaches look better than they actually are. Time has erased the boneheaded shit sendek did while he was here.

Wanting lowe gone may be ok given other preconditions, but wanting sendek back is just fucking stupid.

[Edited on January 18, 2009 at 7:26 PM. Reason : .]

1/18/2009 7:22:14 PM

*cough*harden*cough*

1/18/2009 7:27:37 PM

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"winning games is always fun."

yeah that Loyola game this year was a blast

1/18/2009 7:36:42 PM

don't nitpick semantics. you know exactly what i meant.

1/18/2009 7:43:53 PM

You guys do realize that if Herb were still here he wouldn't be producing the same record as he is at ASU right?

Recruiting here is much more difficult, there's more pressure, he would still be playing Princeton ball, which he changed after leaving us, blah blah blah

I wish him all the best at ASU and it's good to see his program succeed so well, but if you think he'd be having the same results with the program he had here I disagree

but in general I think,

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"we should just lock this thread there's a whole lot of dumb in here and not just each side bitching about their point, that's acceptable. there's just a whole lot of dumb"

because the arguments really are just looping over and over again

[Edited on January 18, 2009 at 7:46 PM. Reason : ]

1/18/2009 7:46:18 PM

the thing i miss most about sendek is our patented 8 minute scoring droughts in each half

1/18/2009 7:46:40 PM

lol those are still around.

^^'s exactly right though, except i don't wish herb the best at asu.

1/18/2009 7:51:05 PM

How can you miss that, we do it every game.

1/18/2009 8:02:01 PM

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"don't nitpick semantics. you know exactly what i meant."

? guess I don't, why don't you fill me in

1/18/2009 8:09:00 PM

to come out and win a game, provided that it's not a game that's supposed to be a gimme that you almost lost, is always fun.

1/18/2009 8:12:36 PM

oh well I still disagree

of course I'm happy no matter what when we win but it's just not that fun to watch boring basketball and seeing it every other game with Herb got pretty old


I'm glad we beat GT but that first half was definitely not fun to watch

1/18/2009 8:16:34 PM

his point was pretty clearly that most would wather win boring than lose fun...

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"except i don't wish herb the best at asu."

so are you saying you just dont care how he does or you hope he does bad?

first is pretty understandable, 2nd puts you with the crazies, IMO.

1/18/2009 8:58:25 PM

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"I didn't want to run off Herb either, but he got us as far as he was going to get us"

truth

1/18/2009 9:17:01 PM

^^ it's really nothing against herb personally, but i feel like we got a really bad name in the media (which you still see come up in any article even mentioning herb) after he left, and i feel totally justified in being unhappy w/ herb at the time that he left. then he shows up at asu doing shit like not running the princeton offense, landing james harden and sitting w/ the students at football games. so now we look like even bigger jackasses b/c he's doing well at asu, when in reality he's a different coach than we had.

i'd like to be vindicated as a fanbase b/c in reality we aren't any worse than any other that actually shows up to events, but we have this herb thing that gets brought up every other week by national media outlets.

[Edited on January 18, 2009 at 9:19 PM. Reason : ^]

1/18/2009 9:18:29 PM

we're a football school, so it's OK

1/18/2009 9:35:13 PM

carnegie mellonhead wanted to quit his job and go to a party school

1/18/2009 9:56:05 PM

Herb gets sooo laid out there

1/18/2009 10:02:16 PM

^^^ we as in arizona state?

1/18/2009 10:16:18 PM

you know i've never referred to ASU as "we"

1/18/2009 10:27:06 PM

i wouldn't say i know that, i'll believe you if you say so, though.

1/18/2009 10:28:15 PM

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"the thing i miss most about sendek is our patented 8 minute scoring droughts in each half"

Sadly, we still have those.

1/18/2009 10:49:23 PM

^the second person to miss the sarcasm

1/19/2009 12:16:19 AM

woah now, i caught it just fine.

1/19/2009 12:19:08 AM

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" i wouldnt mind being #15 in the nation"

Did Herb ever have us that high? We might have reached it once and quickly lost the next game, but we were rarely ranked with him....it seems like we were perenially just outside the top 25.

What Herb does at ASU doesn't change what he did here.

Hell, I hated him (As a coach) but I always said if he'd switch out of that stupid offense I'd shut my mouth for a few years. Unfortunately, he didn't trash the offense until after NC State. That and James Hardin apparently are a combo for success.

1/19/2009 9:28:29 AM

We got up that high the year we beat Conneticut to make the Sweet 16.

1/19/2009 10:09:52 AM

http://deadspin.com/5134770/bill-self-talks-to-who-he-wants-to-when-he-wants-to

So far we have Chrissy Collins breaking recruiting rules for Wall and now we can add Self to that list.

We are going to really have to up our payroll if he is coming here. Do we still have some room under the cap or did we defer a lot of JJ Hickson's payments?

1/19/2009 5:22:31 PM

i think it's all out on brown and howell.

1/19/2009 5:33:04 PM

maybe jj will be off the books soon.

I wouldnt mind taking on that luxury tax for going over the cap though

1/19/2009 5:33:50 PM

Anyone who blames Sendek for the beating we took in the media over his departure obviously never attended games that he was coaching. He would ROUTINELY get booed when he was introduced. Hell if he had gone to a football game and sat with the students he probably would have been beaten/killed. I don't blame him at all for leaving. The next year he probably would have missed the tourney (Not much talent outside of freshmen and Sendek didn't really like to play freshmen because they hadn't learned his system) so he wouldn't have been the exciting hire when we fired him. It is our craptastic fans that gave us our bad name and these same craptastic fans are still out in force. Add the fact that UNC has a journalism school and you have the reason why state gets crucified in the media.

[Edited on January 19, 2009 at 6:00 PM. Reason : HA It hurts twice as much so I count it twice?]

1/19/2009 5:52:46 PM

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"You add a media that all graduated from UNC and you have the current state of NCSU athletics. Add the fact that UNC has a journalism school and you have the reason why state gets crucified in the media."

woah you counted that one twice.

and i don't blame sendek for leaving, i blame outsiders for thinking he was such a fantastic coach. and i went to every game sendek's last year (my freshman year), i do not recall him being booed... but i guess it could've happened.

1/19/2009 5:57:40 PM

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"Add the fact that UNC has a journalism school and you have the reason why state gets crucified in the media."

that is the most played-out argument in the world.

1/19/2009 6:01:18 PM

it seriously is

especially when most of the N&O didn't graduate from UNC

Just because someone bashes NC State shit or stupidity does not mean they went to the fabulous UNC school of journalism

1/19/2009 6:02:23 PM