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"On the subject of x54R ammo... The more expensive Privi stuff is better for two reasons - first, as you know, it's non-corrosive. That saves you from having to clean your entire rifle inside and out with water and solvents every single time you shoot. Second, it's Boxer primed, which leads to your reloading question. Yes, x54R can be reloaded, and quite easily. Getting the brass is the hard part. I paid roughly .30 a piece for the brass I have now, but it's still cheaper after all is said and done than buying factory ammo of similar quality. I use .311 diameter projectiles that were pulled from x54 surplus, but you can use .308's with varying degrees of success. My super penny pinchers are hand-cast .314 bullets with gas checks. You'll use any medium-fast burning rifle powder(H335, H4895, Varget, TAC, etc.) and large rifle primers. On the whole this is all to say that yes, you can reload x54R, and at a net cost savings if you shoot somewhat frequently."

Nothing wrong with surplus as long as you clean your gun properly. I bought most of mine several years ago when it was $30 per 440 tin, but even at today's prices it's still a conceptual bargain. All 3 of my Mosins and the PSL get fed surplus, and the Finn M39 and PSL will do 2MOA with Polish light ball.

2/19/2010 10:54:17 AM

I don't know of any cheap 22 hornets because it seems any rifle chambered in 22 hornet is also chambered in bigger cartridges like 223 Rem.
Knowing this, I would opt for a rifle chambered in 223. You can get 20 rounds for as low as 8 bucks (Winchester at Dick's sporting goods).
If you didn't want the power of the 223 then you can always load it down.
Also, I believe most 22 hornets have a very slow twist. You'll be limited to real light bullets.

A single shot NEF or H&R Handi Rifle will set you back about $275, more than you want to pay, but still fairly cheap.

Skip the LEE hand press unless you decide to go with 22 hornet for sure and you have a lot of patience. It sucks so bad you'll either quit reloading or you'll end up paying for a nicer press. It's simply not sturdy enough nor has enough leverage to handle most bottlenecked cartridges (22 hornet's shoulders aren't steep, so it'd probably be fine for that).
I've got a LEE Classic Cast and it's built like a tank and costs less than other brands. LEE's cheaper table mounted press kits would work fine too.

[Edited on February 19, 2010 at 11:05 AM. Reason : ]

2/19/2010 11:01:48 AM

Is that used or new prices on the .223? If new, how much would used one run me? There is a gun show in Winston in three weeks, what are the odds of me getting a cheap used .223 or .22 hornet there?

2/19/2010 12:12:49 PM

That's new. Used they run $200-230 or so.
I don't know how easy it'd be to find a used gun, but you may as well go and look.

Some of the best deals out there are used Savage bolt actions. Sometimes you can find them a little beat up (but still fine mechanically) for as low as $200.

2/19/2010 3:46:37 PM

I can hit a target almost 30 feet away with these bad boys!





[Edited on February 20, 2010 at 1:55 AM. Reason : impressed?]

2/20/2010 1:54:41 AM

Hey asswipe, this isn't chit chat.

2/20/2010 8:47:56 AM

Is it normal to be required to pay $50-80 as part of the CCW application process for releasing medical records?

I'm in Durham, and that app said that I would be responsible for paying for the copies of my medical records from local hospitals to go to the Sheriff. I'm getting bills in the mail for $10-15 each from 7 medical institutions so far (Duke, the VA, UNC, psychiatric places).

I have not been a patient in ANY of these places at ANY time. I have no medical records to release. So they are charging me $10-15 a pop just to confirm that I was never a patient there.

Anything I can do other than to bitch to the Sheriff's office? I signed saying I would pay for the release of medical records (required as part of the app), but I naively assumed that if I didn't have medical records some place, that I would not be charged to release the fact that I was never a patient.

My wife is getting the same bills. The medical bills cost more than the CCW app.

FUCK DURHAM. (if this is not normal for everyone). If it is, then fuck durham in lower case letters.

More bills to come, I'm sure. I have no idea how many medical places they're going to contact.

[Edited on February 20, 2010 at 4:05 PM. Reason : a]

2/20/2010 4:03:38 PM

^^

are you ok? obviously this is "The Lounge" and the title of your thread is "Fumbler's gun thread v2.0" so I posted pics of guns like some previous posters did...

maybe you should get outside buddy, the weather is nice

2/20/2010 5:09:23 PM

^you are the worst aliastroll other than mangrl
^^never heard of anything like that

2/20/2010 5:15:36 PM

on second thought, maybe all of you gun advocates should stay inside

peace in the middle east! i'm out...

[Edited on February 20, 2010 at 5:20 PM. Reason : yeah]

2/20/2010 5:19:11 PM

lol. oh no! law abiding citizens on the loose! so scary!!!!!!

2/20/2010 5:33:38 PM

^^^^^Not normal that i've ever heard. I also didn't sign anything that OK'd the release of my medical records.

2/21/2010 2:10:35 AM

^That's what I thought, simply because I had not seen any other complaints here about it.

I tried turning the application in without that permission slip, and they absolutely refused to take it.

This is the form: http://www.durhamcountync.net/departments/shrf/Documents/RELEASE2.pdf

They only list 6 places that they ask for records. I've received bills from more than that And times two for the wife's permit.

[Edited on February 21, 2010 at 2:23 AM. Reason : s]

2/21/2010 2:18:32 AM

The gf had never shot a gun before so I made her shoot a couple today. It was pretty easy to get her to shoot the .32. The .357 took a little more coaxing though

2/21/2010 2:50:38 AM

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"Is it normal to be required to pay $50-80 as part of the CCW application process for releasing medical records?"

Yes. Durham County hates gun owners. If you are getting bills for more than the 6 places listed on the form, I would ask about that. Could just be double billing by the hospitals, as I've seen that before. The hospital charges an admin fee and then someone else charges something for being part of the process.

People become so frustrated with the permit process that they either quit or move. It's that serious.

Durham is the only city/county that is able to put so many roadblocks in place to prevent gun ownership. If you don't have money, then you can't afford to defend yourself. A little reminiscent of Jim Crow?

2/21/2010 12:24:24 PM

I applied for my CCW in Durham a month ago. I've only got one medical for request. (10 dollars)

What is the timeframe on the bills you've been getting? I thought it was gonna be one and done after I paid the 10 but I guess I should be expecting more?

2/21/2010 6:17:34 PM

All of ours have come in the 5th and 6th week after our applications.

Hope you have better luck than I do.

2/21/2010 8:51:45 PM

^^^ yep. the state laws actually provide special leeway for durham county to be a pain in the ass in ways that no other county is allowed by the state, if i remember correctly.

i'm not quite sure what durham hopes to accomplish by minimizing the number of legal CC permit holders...it's not like they're the ones going around shooting the place up.

2/21/2010 8:55:53 PM

I'm sure this has been said, but, Durham is the only county where you have to register your pistol. I went ahead and registerred both of mine when I applied for my concealed permit.

The registration is not electronic; they stuff your gun info in a huge filing cabinet that is overflowing with papers. They hired somebody to input them into a computer but after three months the person hadn't got through the letter "C" of last names, so they got rid of the job.

2/21/2010 9:03:38 PM

^so pretty much that proves that it's just there to be a pain in the ass

2/21/2010 9:06:29 PM

^^I have not registered and won't until I see the law requiring it.

I've looked everywhere I could possibly look. And I've found the NC Legislature authorizing Durham to do it. But that's all there is - I can't find any city or county code or state law actually putting teeth into that "permission" that Durham got from the State.

They're allowed to register them, certainly, but I have yet to find any actual law requiring an individual to register guns. The police and sheriff repeatedly say it's required all over the website, but never reference a statute, code, law or anything.

If anybody finds it, I'd appreciate the link or reference.

[Edited on February 21, 2010 at 9:43 PM. Reason : a]

2/21/2010 9:41:51 PM

It's definitely a law. NC state law says you don't have to register a gun, but like you said, it gives Durham county the power to do so.

When I applied for my purchase pemit in Durham, I was given literatue on the county law and was told if I failed to register within 14 days of purchasing the pistol I was subject to being prosecuted for a misdemeanor.

2/21/2010 10:12:56 PM

Double-post

I did recently find this gem: http://library1.municode.com/default-test/template.htm?view=document&doc_action=setHitDoc&doc_hit=1

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"Durham Sec. 17-71. Prohibited; definition. Except as otherwise provided in this division, it is unlawful for any person to manufacture, assemble, possess, store, transport, sell, offer to sell, purchase, offer to purchase, deliver or give to another, or acquire any weapon of mass death and destruction. For purposes of this division, the term "weapon of mass death and destruction" means a semiautomatic firearm which is designed or specially adapted to fire a cartridge and automatically chamber a succeeding cartridge, ready to fire, with a single function of the trigger and: (1) Is a semiautomatic action centerfire rifle or carbine which was originally designed and intended to be sold with a detachable magazine with a capacity of more than 21 rounds;"

It appears that an AK-47, AR-15, etc. are "weapons of mass destruction" in Durham. I've found a lot of statutes like that which nobody knows about, and aren't in force. But be careful. Simple possession is against the law. You can't even transport your AR-15 through Durham. But, at least it's a misdemeanor.

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"It's definitely a law. NC state law says you don't have to register a gun, but like you said, it gives Durham county the power to do so. When I applied for my purchase pemit in Durham, I was given literatue on the county law and was told if I failed to register within 14 days of purchasing the pistol I was subject to being prosecuted for a misdemeanor."

I've searched the entire Durham city and county code for every variation of "gun registration," and there is nothing. There is a state law that allows Durham to do it - I'm not disputing that. And I'm also not disputing that the sheriff and police believe it's required.

But the state law only allows Durham to register them. Durham has no ordinance requiring anyone to register a handgun. The police just act like there is. Permission to register granted by the state is not a requirement to register.

Do you know what codes or laws they referenced that require it?

Here's the city code: http://library1.municode.com/default-now/home.htm?infobase=19967&doc_action=whatsnew

Here's the county code: http://library1.municode.com/default-test/home.htm?infobase=12650&doc_action=whatsnew

There is nothing in either one about gun registration.

[Edited on February 21, 2010 at 10:27 PM. Reason : a]

2/21/2010 10:14:52 PM

I'll have to dig through some stuff to find it. I had this discussion with a friend of mine about a year ago and he showed me some stuff that was enough for me to go and register the gun. It was something in the durham county law.

I waited a year to do it, even with the slip of paper that came with my purchasing permit that said i MUST register the gun. When I went to the courthouse to apply for my concealed, I thought I might as well register them. There's no real downside to it, aside from the obvious unneccesary\bullshit government red tape. It's pretty disconcerning that, if they managed the system better, I could get pulled over\cops could come to my house and know that I own handguns, and could possibly be a little more prone to reach for their gun.'

I'll post what I find when once I dig through my email.

2/21/2010 10:30:07 PM

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"I'll have to dig through some stuff to find it. I had this discussion with a friend of mine about a year ago and he showed me some stuff that was enough for me to go and register the gun. It was something in the durham county law. I waited a year to do it, even with the slip of paper that came with my purchasing permit that said i MUST register the gun. When I went to the courthouse to apply for my concealed, I thought I might as well register them. There's no real downside to it, aside from the obvious unneccesary\bullshit government red tape. It's pretty disconcerning that, if they managed the system better, I could get pulled over\cops could come to my house and know that I own handguns, and could possibly be a little more prone to reach for their gun.' I'll post what I find when once I dig through my email."

I appreciate you looking for it. If it really does exist, I'll comply very grudgingly.

The concealed carry permit already alerts them that there are probably guns in the house. I don't think it adds any danger to register them from that. However, in some emergency like Katrina, it tells them exactly how many they need to confiscate from you, and if they come up short on the count...well, that probably wouldn't end well. With just the concealed carry license, they don't know if you have 0 or 20 guns.

2/21/2010 10:35:39 PM

Best option is to not live in Durham county imo. I probably wouldn't have the pistols if I didn't move to where I live now.

2/21/2010 10:38:36 PM

What are you guys' thoughts on the .17 hm2? Seems like a neat little round. I'm either going to pick up a savage chambered in it or a plain jane .22lr but my main concern is ammo costs. Seems like the round is young enough that prices might still be headed south as more people make it, but that's just conjecture. Any thoughts on that or the round as a whole?

2/21/2010 11:08:50 PM

Holy shit, all that work for Durham county?

Fuckers.

Thankfully I'm in Wake. Last year when my wife and I were looking at CCW stuff we lived in Chatham county -- I wonder how much easier that would have been than Wake.

2/21/2010 11:28:56 PM

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""(1) Is a semiautomatic action centerfire rifle or carbine which was originally designed and intended to be sold with a detachable magazine with a capacity of more than 21 rounds;" It appears that an AK-47, AR-15, etc. are "weapons of mass destruction" in Durham. I've found a lot of statutes like that which nobody knows about, and aren't in force. But be careful. Simple possession is against the law. You can't even transport your AR-15 through Durham. But, at least it's a misdemeanor."

the way I read this, that is not the case... those guns don't come with high capacity magazines from the factory (usually small 10-15 round magazines) so those are fine. Doesn't mean that some ignorant DA or asshole cop won't try to press this issue but as long as you buy it stock like that you should be fine

2/22/2010 7:38:18 AM

it DOES make my Calico illegal there.

2/22/2010 11:58:17 AM

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"the way I read this, that is not the case... those guns don't come with high capacity magazines from the factory (usually small 10-15 round magazines) so those are fine. Doesn't mean that some ignorant DA or asshole cop won't try to press this issue but as long as you buy it stock like that you should be fine"

I still think it would apply - the 30 round magazines are the standard mags for the original design and are intended to be sold that way. And most factory sales and gun show options I've seen come with 30 round mags. They offer smaller capacity CA-legal options and others that get smaller mags, but from what I've seen they're a minority. It doesn't really matter - we agree the whole point is to be careful, given what the code says.

That was from the Durham County code, by the way, not just for the city. I failed to specify that earlier.

[Edited on February 22, 2010 at 1:32 PM. Reason : a]

2/22/2010 1:31:13 PM

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"What are you guys' thoughts on the .17 hm2? Seems like a neat little round. I'm either going to pick up a savage chambered in it or a plain jane .22lr but my main concern is ammo costs. Seems like the round is young enough that prices might still be headed south as more people make it, but that's just conjecture. Any thoughts on that or the round as a whole?"

It's relatively cheap compared to the 17HMR/22Mag, and sits somewhere between .22LR and 22Mag in terms of lethality. It has a very flat trajectory compared to both, which is it's real selling point. If you need a gun that shoots like a freaking laser beam, a .17 rimfire is the way to go. I went with the HMR, and in retrospect probably should have gotten the HM2. I wouldn't feel so bad burning .30/round shooting it and might actually use it more than 3-4 times a year.

2/22/2010 2:40:54 PM

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"Awesome, that's exactly the info I was looking for. Mayhaps you can answer my follow ups here: 1) Rather than buying empty brass, can I buy factory non-corrosive brass and reuse those casings after the first firing? Any particular cartridge that you would recommend?"

No. The milsurp stuff uses what's called a Berdan priming similar and is for all intents and purposes not reloadable. It requires an entirely different set of tools and the actual primers are all but impossible to come by.

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" 2) What's the lifespan of your brass? I've heard anywhere from 4 all the way to 10 uses. I understand x54r is going to be a pretty high pressure round, so life would be as good as some other stuff, but that obviously has a big impact on how much $$$ I could save."

It's actually a relatively low pressure cartridge, loaded to similar spec's as the 303 British, and keeping your loads tame but usable can keep your brass happy for many uses. I'd say 5-6 loadings per case is average, 10 is easily doable with midrange loads and annealing every 3-4 firings. FWIW, my stash of 120 or so has given me ~500 rounds of ammunition and none of the cases have even come close to wearing out.

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" 3) Was reloading kit should I get? The simple Lee hand reloading dies seem to be cheap and effect, if slow, so those are my main prospect. What other accessories do I need? I've heard both ways as to the neccessity of a case trimmer? What about a brass tumbler? "

For the budget reloader, get the Lee Challenger *Kit*. Throw in a set of dies and a case trimmer rod for that caliber, and you have absolutely everything you need to get started. The case trimmer is necessary for bottleneck cartridges. You can get away without trimming for a while, but you never know when the tolerance stacking will make for a bad day. It's simply easier to trim every other loading and know that your lengths are safe and consistent.

If you do not buy a tumbler at first, you will within a week of cleaning brass by hand. Get the Frankford Arsenal tumbler+separator kit and buy some walnut bird litter from Petsmart. You'll have about $50 in all that, and you'll wonder why you didn't spend the money and get it in the first place. It's an investment well worth the money in the time and energy you will save, especially when you get into doing 2-500 cases at a time for pistol loading.

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"Thanks again for sharing your know-how"

Always glad to help. If you'd like to see any of this stuff in person before you shop, you're welcome to check out my setup in person and see if it's what you really want.

[Edited on February 22, 2010 at 3:11 PM. Reason : .]

2/22/2010 3:11:22 PM

^Good info.

If you want your brass to last the longest then consider only neck sizing. Lee sells a collet neck sizer that works fine. You'll still have to full length size the brass every 3-4 firings depending on your gun.

Occasional trimming is required. If not, the necks could get so long they jam into the throat causing high pressures and possibly blowing you and the gun up.
Aside from the safety aspect, trimming can help your accuracy because all the necks will be the same length. If you crimp then you must trim or your crimps will vary. The Lee trimming tools are cheap and work fine for the low volume shooter. You only need to trim every few firings anyway.

You can clean brass by mixing half water/half vinegar and a drop of soap then letting the brass soak in it for 10 minutes. Then, throw the brass into some soapy water and rinse well. The vinegar can be used a few times before it loses its strength.
I did that for a while, but like fenderfreek said, you'll soon buy a tumbler.
They sell walnut and corn cob media for tumbling but it's a lot cheaper to buy walnut at the pet store. Do not get the corn cob at the pet store. It's way to big and will get stuck inside your brass. You'll spend hours picking that shit out
You can buy brass polish made for ammo brass to add to the walnut if you really want shiny brass. It's not necessary to have shiny brass though. You just want to make sure you tumble enough to get the carbon off.

2/22/2010 3:47:39 PM

I wanna start reloading my 9mm.

What's the best bang/buck on reloaders? I want a progressive setup....I definitely dont want to load these one by one. Yet, I dont have a lot of cash to throw at this.]

2/22/2010 4:29:45 PM

Everything I've read says that beginners should start on single stage presses so they can understand the process better. I don't reload(yet) but that's pretty much the unanimous opinion of the internet masses.

In other news, what is the closest walmart to Glenwood that sells rifles? I'm looking for any savage .22 with the accutrigger, but specifically the Mark II F. I'm going to get my plink on for a few months before I invest the money in a big boy gun.

2/22/2010 4:34:10 PM

The happy middle ground between progressive, single stage, and budget is the Lee Classic Turret. It's semi-progressive, so it's faster than single stage, but not half as complicated as full progressive. It also comes in a kit so you don't have to separately buy all your tools like trimmer blades, powder measure, etc.

If you're somewhat mechanically inclined and willing to spend hours cursing the thing while you set it up, the Lee Pro 1000 makes a decent progressive press. At $150 it's still a good deal despite the pain of setting it up the first time. I got mine all tuned and it runs like a champ. Just remember you'll need to buy another $20-30 worth of tools if you go this route.

The cheapest you're going to get a ready-to-rock right out of the box progressive is the Hornady Lock-n-load, which starts in the mid-300's IIRC. Great press, but it's not really a cheap venture.

Having a dedicated single stage strictly for utility is always a good thing, but there's nothing wrong with using a full progressive if you understand what to look for and feel for. It's very important that you understand exactly what goes on at each step and what can go wrong. Remember, reloading isn't rocket science but it can most definitely kill or seriously injure you if you don't use due dilligence. That's really the only reason most folks suggest a single stage to learn on - it forces you to take your time, develop good habits, and understand what you're doing and how each step affects the finished product. Once you understand the basics, the press is just a tool and they're all about the same.

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"In other news, what is the closest walmart to Glenwood that sells rifles? "

Might actually try Dick's for one of those Savage .22's. They go on sale every once in a while and you can actually get a pretty good deal sometimes. Not to mention the superior selection over Walmart. If you want a walmart with guns, I know the one in Roxboro still sells them.

2/22/2010 4:54:44 PM

I just got back from the Dicks above 540 off Glenwood. They had an okay selection but not what I was looking for. The only cheap .22s they had were the Savage base model semi and with a Bushnell scope for $159 or $169 and some youth Marlin. Not a bad deal on the savage, but I'm really looking for a model with the accutrigger. The Mark IIs have it and, from what I've seen in forums and such, it's hard to beat for out of the box accuracy at $150ish. If anyone sees one around, let me know and I'll jiggle your balls a little.

2/22/2010 6:10:39 PM

I understand the process. My roommate and I reload 12ga shells with a progressive reloader, as well as a Lee single reloader for .357.

I just want to start reloading my 9mm...takes WAY too long with the single.

2/22/2010 6:43:14 PM

Well, here is the finished AR project. The only thing not on it is the Magpul AFG and MBUIS.


AR 15 rifle build
Spikes Tactical Stripped Lower
Yankee Hill Assembled A3 Upper
Daniel Defense LPK
LMT Full Auto BCG
LMT Charging Handle
Pmag: FDE x3
Magpul MIAD Full Kit
Magpul CTR Stock
Mil Spec buffer tube/spring/buffer
QD sling swivel stud
MI-T10 FF rails
BCM Mid-length standar barrel
YHM lo-pro gas block
Yankee Hill A2 FH
Magpul AFG
Gas tube
MBUIS: Magpul FDE
Daniel Defense offset mount
Primary Arms G2 Blem Micro
3x9-40 scope and mount
Daniel Defense QD sling stud
$$$$

AR 15 pistol build
DPMS lower
Model 1 Sales A3 upper
Model 1 Sales 7.5'' barrel
Model 1 pistol buffer tube
Yankee Hill FF 7'' rail
Yankee Hill lo-pro gas block
Magpul trigger guard
Hogue grip
2 metal mags
Noveske KX3
$$$

[Edited on February 22, 2010 at 7:42 PM. Reason : .]

2/22/2010 7:36:56 PM

Quote :

""In other news, what is the closest walmart to Glenwood that sells rifles? ""

The only one in the area I know of that sells guns is the one in Wake Forest.

2/22/2010 8:47:50 PM

WF is the only one I have seen in wake co, the one on 70 in clayton usually has a good selection

2/22/2010 10:10:58 PM

Got a question for any NRA members in here.


Have all of you guys returned the paperwork to enroll you in their free coverage for accident/theft insurance? It's a free perk to all members with $1k to cover theft of any firearms you own while a member and $5k paid for any accident that may occur with a firearm or at an NRA even that injures or kills you.

It's not a bad deal at all, especially the theft insurance and it's free. I'm just wondering if there are any hidden issues with it as you aren't automatically enrolled, you have to fill out one sheet and send it back in.

2/23/2010 8:18:21 AM

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"I just got back from the Dicks above 540 off Glenwood. They had an okay selection but not what I was looking for. The only cheap .22s they had were the Savage base model semi and with a Bushnell scope for $159 or $169 and some youth Marlin. Not a bad deal on the savage, but I'm really looking for a model with the accutrigger. The Mark IIs have it and, from what I've seen in forums and such, it's hard to beat for out of the box accuracy at $150ish. If anyone sees one around, let me know and I'll jiggle your balls a little. "

Try the one in Cary, actually. I know they sell the Mk II's, that's where my g/f bought hers.

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" I understand the process. My roommate and I reload 12ga shells with a progressive reloader, as well as a Lee single reloader for .357. I just want to start reloading my 9mm...takes WAY too long with the single."

If you're trying to stick within a tight budget and since you know what's going on, I'd say get a Lee Pro 1000 setup in 9mm. You will need to tweak some of the timing, and getting the dies setup can be a bit of a pain, but once it's set up it will run with little manual intervention. Gotta keep it lubed pretty well too for it to run smoothly. It's under $200 and comes with dies, powder thrower, and pretty much everything you need for a single caliber, so a little setup isn't unreasonable. I would highly recommend getting the big red case hopper attachment as well. It makes loading those case feeder tubes completely effortless and waaaaay faster than doing it by hand.

2/23/2010 8:32:16 AM

recommend a first time rifle for me. I have shot plenty of rifles before...scoped and nonscoped. some so far are a 30.06, 308, and a .223. ill be putting a scope on it and using it for target comp and hunting. really would like a bolt action and with a capacity of like 3 or 5 rounds. prefer a .308 or 300 win. i have no problem with a 30.30 or 30.06. actually might get a 3030 lever action but what would yall suggest for the scoped bolt action....brands and types.

also are there any particular really good sites to buy from, when it comes to price and service. i am in florida so it seems stuff is cheaper here then nc

2/23/2010 1:25:44 PM

Rem 700 in .308 or 30-06 if you want bolt. They're common, therefore versatile when it comes to customization and will sell easily if you want to go another direction.

If you like the lever thing, I would recommend a Marlin 336 in 30-30. I only have the latter, so that's all I can actually suggest from personal ownership.

2/23/2010 1:53:21 PM

Thanks Fenderfreek. I tried Cary, but no luck. It seems that Dicks(I've checks 6-8 of them) carry the basic mk ii without the accutrigger for $150ish and one that's all tricked out(BB, thumbhole stock, scope) for like $350. The only one that carried a lower end model with the accutrigger is in Greensboro. No dice with local shops either. Any other ideas?

2/23/2010 5:50:42 PM

My grandfather gave these rifles to me (Well I actually found them in his closet and asked if I could clean them up and shoot 'em. He didnt object...likely because he probably never shot them once he got back from the war).

I've done a good bit of research on both of them but if you have any comments or important info on the two, please feel free to share.

Item 1 is a ~1940, Winchester Model 70, 30-06. Serial number is 206xxx. One of the infamous Pre-'64 model 70's. I have yet to take it out to the range. I just got the rust off of it today with some steel wool and plenty of oil. I'd say it looks pretty good. The action is smooth and the barrel is internally flawless. Pictures are below. The Model 70 is on top.



Item 2, and my favorite, is the rifle on the bottom. Based on my research, I've concluded that it is a Brno 6.5 x 57 Sporter. Made in Czechoslovakia in 1947 by Brno Arms. I've shot this gun on numerous occasion and it's awesome. It came, in it's original case, with a Praha Lovec 4x claw-mount scope that snaps on and off easily. The scope retical is the three-point system (Pictured here It also has duel triggers, one you pull back to set, the other to fire (Hair-trigger is an understatement). It's extremely lightweight and fun to shoot.



With and without scope

2/23/2010 7:24:39 PM

i love those 3 line reticles

2/23/2010 7:53:28 PM

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"ill be putting a scope on it and using it for target comp and hunting"

Savage bolt actions are a great value for the accuracy you get out of them.

I had a 1980s 700 in .30-06 but it was a gorgeous gun I was terrified of knicking in the woods so I sold it and got an old Savage 99 in .308 (which is an excellent lever gun if you're looking for one). That being said, it was an awesome rifle on a number of levels.

2/23/2010 10:18:45 PM