Don't give a fuck about obrien 4 fucking years ago.

Doren is 0-16 record vs power 5 teams with a winning record the last 3 years

Doren losing to miss state will finish us 0-6 against bowl opponents this season.

And 51 points is most scored ever in belk bowl history.

Let's move on. It's time.

[Edited on December 30, 2015 at 7:00 PM. Reason : Added]

12/30/2015 6:43:04 PM

I disagree that it's time to move on. But the results have not been impressive...that cannot be argued

12/30/2015 6:59:39 PM

Let's move on. It's time.

12/30/2015 7:00:56 PM

I'm just gonna take this opportunity to give up on football. I was hanging by a thread anyway. I can't be against the barbarism and still support it at the same time. I'm sure my life will be much better without (NC State) football.

12/30/2015 7:01:05 PM

Bronco has it right. Just give up and life will be happier --- guaranteed

This is a program issue, not necessarily the coach. Though the coach has accomplished jackshit

Ncsu football historically has been mediocre. Look at what we spend relative to our peers

We suck again, who cares, pay less attention and the Ls don't matter

12/30/2015 7:10:24 PM

at this point we should just admit we're a basketball school and fucking act like one

who gives a shit how garbage our mac level team is with their mac uniforms and mac coach

put all the money into basketball. tell gottfried he needs to get his ass in gear and deliver a season where we're legit all year or it's time to bring in archie on a 4 million a year deal

12/30/2015 7:14:23 PM

bronco is all

12/30/2015 7:15:14 PM

hux has to go at very least

12/30/2015 7:18:47 PM

Doreen's Top 6 wins in 3 years:
UNC (14)
UCF (14)
Syracuse (14 / 15)
C. Michigan (13)
Boston College (15)

12/30/2015 7:23:38 PM

^your point is well taken. But Georgia southern belongs on that list. CMU does not

12/30/2015 7:29:28 PM

I give permission for a coaching search to begin

12/30/2015 7:30:40 PM

You can't fire him after three seasons.

But is his seat warm starting next season? I think that's a fair question. Year 4 is his put up or shut up season, and honestly, I don't see him showing any progress or strides with a much tougher schedule, new QB, dipping recruiting classes, and what has to be an all time low in program enthusiasm.


Woof. This time next year might be when we are discussing who our coach of the future is, whether it be Doeren or someone else.

12/30/2015 7:35:02 PM

TOB's best wins:
#21 UVA (07)
#25 UNC (08)
#16 FSU (10)
#22 WVU (10)
#7 Clemson (11)
#3 FSU (12)

12/30/2015 7:48:16 PM

even My Cocaine beat some good teams, let alone Chuck and that 11 win season

12/30/2015 7:54:22 PM

everyone who wants to fire the coach, stop being small-minded. the problem is programmatic

http://www.backingthepack.com/2014/11/25/7287247/the-past-and-future-of-wolfpack-football

12/30/2015 7:55:15 PM

Quote :

"But is his seat warm starting next season? I think that's a fair question. Year 4 is his put up or shut up season, and honestly, I don't see him showing any progress or strides with a much tougher schedule, new QB, dipping recruiting classes, and what has to be an all time low in program enthusiasm."

sure, i think it's safe to say that next year is definitely a year we need to show some visible, on the field improvements....put up or shut up. however, it being McLendon's first year (assuming he's the QB) could definitely buy him more time. since he recruited McLendon (i know he wanted jacoby too, but that situation was slightly different) the argument could definitely be made that he deserves time with "his guy" who he's been grooming over the last 2 seasons.

i'm pretty frustrated and discouraged after this game. not that we lost. they are better than we are. but some of the decision making is head scratching. grinnage gets 1 target and is hardly used all year? samuels gets 3 touches for 2 TDs...seems like we should use him more. seems like very few adjustments were made. our offense seems to work best in the no-huddle, yet we don't do it much.

12/30/2015 8:17:14 PM

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"however, it being McLendon's first year (assuming he's the QB) could definitely buy him more time."

He shouldn't get any more time because of this. He chose to not give McClendon any reps this season. That's on him. And is it even confirmed that he'll be starting at QB next year? I keep hearing that the position may actually be up for grabs.

Sorry, but he KNEW he'd be losing Jacoby this season (who has performed mediocre all season. Valiently, but mediocre). And I don't think he "regressed," either. I think Jacoby has been the same quarterback this year as he was last year, he just didn't have the performance of Pete Thomas to juxtapose favorably against this season.

That being said, I think every excuse that is possible will be afforded to Doeren, simply because this is Debbie's hire. I don't think that's fair, but it is what it is. And, unfortunately, our recruiting is slipping right back to where it historically sits, simply because we do not have the wins to elevate the prestige of North Dakota State Football.

We missed an opportunity these past three years, and in all likelihood, we will not turn a corner next season either.

It sucks, but whaddayagonnadew?

12/30/2015 8:24:35 PM

We dont have the defensive depth to run no huddle. 75% of a roster is a lot but still not enough to compete at the hoghest level. We overachieved this season and paid for it by getting outmatched in the bowl. Thats still not a big deal. Its great experience for our young guys to go through this game. We are a program on the rise but have not quite arrived.

[Edited on December 30, 2015 at 8:30 PM. Reason : Our recruiting is nowhere near slipping back to tob level. What opportunity did we miss with yout?]

12/30/2015 8:27:37 PM

Quote :

"He shouldn't get any more time because of this. He chose to not give McClendon any reps this season. That's on him. And is it even confirmed that he'll be starting at QB next year? I keep hearing that the position may actually be up for grabs. Sorry, but he KNEW he'd be losing Jacoby this season (who has performed mediocre all season. Valiently, but mediocre). And I don't think he "regressed," either. I think Jacoby has been the same quarterback this year as he was last year, he just didn't have the performance of Pete Thomas to juxtapose favorably against this season."

i don't disagree with any of this. i still think that it being McLendon's first season will be used as an excuse (perhaps even a valid one)...but you are right. DD had plenty of chances, especially in the first 4 games, to get McLendon meaningful reps....more than just handing it off in mop up duty.

i also agree with your assessment of Jacoby. he's a fairly average QB on an average/below average team. i think we kinda hyped him up a little too much after that FSU game last year and our expectations for him this season were somewhat unreasonable.

12/30/2015 8:32:00 PM

How exactly did we overachieve? What were your expectations, to go 3-1 in our cupcake OOC?

[Edited on December 30, 2015 at 8:32 PM. Reason : first rule]

12/30/2015 8:32:01 PM

I said our recruiting is returning to "historic" levels. As in, classes that you would expect based on program recognition alone.

And we absolutely did not "overachieve" this season. We received a Belk Bowl invite because our fanbase's relative proximity to Charlotte. If bowl's were based on record only, Pitt would have been playing in our place, and we would have been in here complaining about how we got curb stomped by Navy a few days ago instead.

12/30/2015 8:33:30 PM

Maybe overrewarded js the better way to put it. We should not have had the level of national respect to get that matchup but we did and thats a good thing.

12/30/2015 8:34:19 PM

This recruiting class is going to be worse than the prior 2 and nowhere close to the top 25. That alone tells us all we need to know. Doeren will be fired at the end of next season. It's too bad we don't have the balls to be bold and go out and get Chip Kelly.

12/30/2015 8:35:24 PM

The recruiting is down because of quantity not quality. Thats simply because our team is so young that we are booked up and dont have many spots

12/30/2015 8:37:44 PM

can we stop with the chip kelly shit?

12/30/2015 8:39:08 PM

our average recruiting ranking is 2.71


Soooo.......NO

12/30/2015 8:40:51 PM

the most baller shit imaginable would be to hire Chizik as our HC

12/30/2015 8:43:45 PM

Jacoby Brissett was just filler while DD could coach up his guy. DD needs to show something next year, but Jacoby did him no favors. He was horrible

12/30/2015 8:44:02 PM

Funny.


I remember people saying that Pete Thomas and Brandon Mitchell were filler until we could get Jacoby in here. Remember, when he would drive a shitty Toyota Corolla or something to all the away games because he was a leader who couldn't travel with the team during his transfer season while baking cookies or some shit?


Jacoby was fine. Not great. Not terrible. Just average. We had a lot of problems, but Jacoby was Jacoby and that would have been good enough for a decent team with a decent coach.

12/30/2015 8:49:04 PM

Quote :

"The recruiting is down because of quantity not quality"

When you post this shit do you say to yourself

"Oh yeah, this is so fucking stupid they'll HAVE to reply and I will have successfully trolled again"

You can't possibly be this retarted can you?

12/30/2015 8:49:26 PM

I'm sure some people where saying that. But Jacoby was the best DD could do on a short notice. Jacoby is not average, he is below average.

12/30/2015 8:50:25 PM

YOU'RE the one who started The Jacoby Heisman Watch Thread you silly sumbitch:

http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=639997

12/30/2015 8:52:35 PM

Quote :

"our average recruiting ranking is 2.71 Soooo.......NO"

what was our average last year? i'm sure it was higher with hines, frasier, mcgirt, roseboro, gallaspy all 4 and 5 stars right? but we also took a pretty big class last year too. but, yes, our recruiting class is not as good as it was last year.

12/30/2015 8:53:11 PM

^ Avg. 2.91

https://rivals.yahoo.com/ncstate/football/recruiting/teamrank/2015/ACC/all

Comfortably behind THREE divisional opponents and our arch-rivals.

12/30/2015 8:54:59 PM

It was also clearly a joke of a title. The thread was built as a place to discuss points about our QB.

12/30/2015 8:57:57 PM

I got that. That's why I referenced your sillyness and possible bitchyness of your mother.


Was this thread that you started also a joke since Doeren doesn't really have any credibility outside of being friends with Jordan Lynch?


[Edited on December 30, 2015 at 9:02 PM. Reason : I actually don't know your mother. I'm sure she's delightful lady.]

12/30/2015 9:00:28 PM

She's not. You called it.

This thread is serious business.

12/30/2015 9:08:04 PM

People still don't understand why we got selected for the Belk Bowl? Had nothing to do with us being an in-state team or getting overrated, etc. We got it on a technicality since Pitt got passed over and the Belk couldn't take VT since they were 6-6. We got curb stomped by an average SEC team.

NC State football sucks historically and sucks now. DD will get one, maybe two more years and then it rinse and repeat. Maybe one day we will actually land a great up and coming coach, but it is pretty clear DD is not a great coach. 0-16 against real competition proves that. We're in that chicken and egg situation in that we suck so we don't generate the money needed to compete at a higher level and in order to compete at a higher level, we need to spend more on the program.

12/30/2015 10:43:20 PM

^ Being an in state school with a strong fanbase definitely helped us. It made us a more attractive option (monetarily) even though Pitt had a better record.

12/30/2015 11:45:47 PM

damn, some serious trolling in this thread (or at least it would be called that if I did the same thing).


State needs to go the gimmick route. Bring in a very potent offensive mind with a unique system, although these systems arent that unique anymore, but someone like Art Briles for example. Or Paul Johnson.

12/30/2015 11:58:46 PM

It's not trolling. Legitimate state fans having legitimate conversations.

You're posting to get a reaction and attention. I guess it's because no one pays attention to you in real life. Hell your suggesting Art Briles or PJ like they're realistic options. That's trolling right there.

Please leave TWW again.

Ok - I'm done feeding the troll.

12/31/2015 12:04:02 AM

Quote :

"someone like"

which means not them in particular...


You're posting calling anything I post trolling to get a reaction and attention. I guess it's because no one pays attention to you in real life.

[Edited on December 31, 2015 at 12:06 AM. Reason : s]

12/31/2015 12:05:19 AM

We suck because You motherfuckers think rome was built in one night. One more year of patience and chuck wouldve had russel friggin wilson but no. Now lets fire dd for not beating an sec contender with tobs dogshit

12/31/2015 12:33:06 AM

We have a real schedule next year and are at best going 6-6. DD might get another year or two, but he won't be the coach when we play Mississippi State again. If we fired DD now would anyone really be upset? Would "The cupboard be bare" for the next guy too?

Jay Sam getting three touches and Grinnage getting 1 pass tells you all you need to know about this staff.

12/31/2015 12:35:00 AM

Its not like we lost our 2 work horse backs or anything

12/31/2015 12:40:45 AM

Oh don't be so hard on Shannon. He's a fan of muh vawls after all, and goddammit he's a nifty guy

12/31/2015 12:41:13 AM

Quote :

"So far it's taken approximately 1,009,491 days to build Rome. This is based on the traditional founding of the city (21 April 753 BCE), but we should also consider that the city has been sacked and rebuilt several times."

Just listen to The E Man. Doeren's great x E^20 grandson will finally have a recruiting class that can sniff a bronze medal in the ACC Atlantic. Meanwhile we should fire Gottfried and hire a former high school girls coach. Really up the fundamentals of dribbling out of bounds because your new boobs throw off your balance.

12/31/2015 12:41:42 AM

Quote :

"Its not like we lost our 2 work horse backs or anything"

Baylor just scored 49 last night with what their 4th QB? Dude just give it a rest.

12/31/2015 12:53:56 AM

They also have a fully established program otherwise. We are not at full strength to begin with because its our 3rd year so losing two great players is hard to overcome. With that saod, you are comparing us to perennial top 10 programs yet again. We are not that and we are not in texas so that is just unrealistic delusional expectations all around.

12/31/2015 12:57:34 AM

I mean if you really want to go there, Art Briles took over a shit Baylor program, much worse than ours and made it what it is. Baylor had not had a winning season since 1995. If you really think DD is going to do that.......

[Edited on December 31, 2015 at 1:06 AM. Reason : In year 4 at Baylor they went 10-3 winning the Alamo bowl and finishing #12]

12/31/2015 1:02:48 AM