http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-24-2013/weak-constitution

4/26/2013 1:29:16 PM

^LOL. holy shit

4/26/2013 1:40:35 PM

I do agree that we need an enemy combatant classification, and frankly one has always existed. If attempts against life or property are committed by an agent of a foreign government, they would be held as a prisoner of war, and tried in military courts. They would not be subject to our constitutional rights, but would be afforded the protection of the Geneva convention. (Ideally, but I guess that's another argument, that we aren't meeting that)

The enemy combatant classification gives leeway for acts committed by quasi-government organizations (or those operating harmoniously with foreign governments) (al qaeda, Hezbollah, etc), to be interpreted as acts of war, and thus the perpetrators would be tried in military courts.

Frankly, this isn't the case. Maybe there was another layer of accomplices, but its hardly a network of people. Its obviously a civilian court issue, just as McVeigh was. The color of their skin, or their religion, does not make them an agent of a foreign government.

4/26/2013 7:09:44 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/david-henneberry-donations_n_3140087.html

So they shot the boat at least 20 times, and hit Dzhokar at most 2x??

^ they were both US citizens on US soil, I can't envision ANY scenario where they wouldn't be processed under the "normal" justice system.

[Edited on April 27, 2013 at 12:28 AM. Reason : ]

4/27/2013 12:27:02 AM

I assumed the goal was to take him alive...

4/27/2013 12:27:55 AM

That doesn't appear to have been the intention...

4/27/2013 12:33:00 AM

Quote :

"she ought to be in jail for wearing a hijab"

4/27/2013 12:38:40 AM

but are those conventional bullet holes or impact marks from "less than lethal" rounds?

4/27/2013 12:51:41 AM

It was a fiberglass hull, i'm doubtful those are less-than-lethal rounds. And you can see at least some of them exited the other side.

4/27/2013 12:53:29 AM

^6 can't envision any scenario? We imprisoned Japanese american citizens during world war 2. Suppose a Japanese immigrant with us citizenship blew up a crowd. would he be tried as a war criminal or in civilian courts? Suppose they claim they were acting as agents of the Japanese government?

It doesn't sound so far fetched. I don't think this reaction is anything new in our country.

[Edited on April 27, 2013 at 1:06 AM. Reason : .]

4/27/2013 1:05:03 AM

If they claimed to be agents of the Japanese government they'd be tried for treason.

Even that'd be a stretch without some sort of proof.

[Edited on April 27, 2013 at 9:25 AM. Reason : ]

4/27/2013 9:24:45 AM

Exactly why they'd likely have been tried in a military court for killing civilians.

To be clear, I'm not advocating this be the situation in this case... Just pointing out that this idea isn't so far fetched, IMO.

[Edited on April 27, 2013 at 9:48 AM. Reason : .]

4/27/2013 9:45:45 AM

^^^i think its pretty universally held that Japanese internment camps were a low point in this countries history, and we should never let it happen again.

Also treason is typically tried in federal court not military.



[Edited on April 27, 2013 at 9:49 AM. Reason : .]

4/27/2013 9:46:54 AM

Its fucking terrifying that some of you think expanding this made-up idea of an enemy combatant is a good idea. Fucking terrifying.

4/27/2013 11:24:47 AM

^

4/27/2013 11:32:51 AM

The ones with the least experience are the ones who speak loudest, and vice versa...

or something, etc.

[Edited on April 27, 2013 at 11:40 AM. Reason : motto of TWW the internet the world]

4/27/2013 11:40:12 AM

It is funny how people say "they hate us because of our freedom" and then turn around and want to take away our freedom. Sorry folks the guy is a US Citizen and as inconvenient as it might be he has the rights of one. He has the right to remain silent and the right to a fair trial. These people claim to be patriots yet they have no faith in the Bill of Rights. This guy isn't going to walk. I am pretty confident of in this. I fear a police/neo fascist state rising out of terrorism more than terrorism itself.

4/27/2013 11:44:50 AM

Democrians and Republocrats all had the same knee jerk.

4/27/2013 11:57:43 AM

I dream of being the Gordon Freeman of the City 17 the US will inevitably become.

4/27/2013 1:11:59 PM

Quote :

"So they shot the boat at least 20 times, and hit Dzhokar at most 2x??"

I'm assuming he was laying down for cover, they could have been firing to keep him down and not necessarily trying to hit him.

4/27/2013 1:14:02 PM

Or maybe they are terrible marksmen

4/27/2013 1:26:56 PM

with the kind of money and military grade equipment we supply them, they better fucking NOT be bad marksmen

unless they brought in the token showpiece woman for the cameras as like a joke or something. then it's understandable

4/27/2013 2:24:08 PM

I'm a terrorist hiding in your boat.

4/27/2013 2:43:51 PM

Quote :

"Its fucking terrifying that some of you think expanding this made-up idea of an enemy combatant is a good idea. Fucking terrifying."

4/27/2013 5:29:43 PM

Quote :

"Tamerlan Tsarnaev "began coming intermittently to our congregational prayers on Friday over a year ago and occasionally to our daily prayers," the statement read. "The younger suspect was rarely seen at the center, coming only occasionally for prayer.""

(From CNN)

So these assholes didn't even pray regularly (5x/day), and in Islam if you don't do your daily prayers, you are considered to be an infidel/non-Muslim... and they were DEFENDING Islam??? (that's the reason the alive one gave) Defending from what? All they have managed to do--aside from killing and terrorizing civilians--is bring Islam into more disrepute.

And the older one, he had a wife and a 2 year old... did he think about them? If he hadn't died, what was his plan? To live as a fugitive for the rest of his life, away from his family? Cuz surely there is no way you can't get caught, even if you weren't at the scene, not in this day and age.

As I said earlier, anybody who kills innocent people like that should be executed.

4/28/2013 7:46:38 AM

Jahar is an insurgent, and should be treated as such. I know we have empty dog pen at Guantanamo Bay for him.

4/28/2013 7:52:01 AM

^^ Since when did religious zealots think rationally?

Look at the entire timeline of events that we know about and find one fucking rational thing that was done.

4/28/2013 10:21:11 AM

We don't know that he was a religious zealot, reporting now is about him being a 9/11 truther

4/28/2013 10:32:01 AM

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"And the older one, he had a wife and a 2 year old... did he think about them?"

I see on a weekly basis the family donkey get more respect than the family women. I doubt he spent more than a few secconds on it.


Also, civilians talking about enemy combatants make me laugh. Im here, and we dont know who the fucking "enemy combatants" are until they pull some shit! Then they know exactly what to not get shot at! Trust me, I would love to see these boston bastards be called enemy combatants, but since when has a politician EVER got it right with naming the enemy or setting rules of engagement? Since when do civilians know so much on the law of land warfare? Its alot more complex than most realize, you just dont call someone a bad guy then play by a different set of rules. It affects things from the big picture of international politics all the way down to some Joe on patrol pulling the trigger, and it goes back into past actions and speculations. I am alllllllll for it to label anyone who works with, listens to, trained by or associates with AQ or any other terrorist network, but I dont think it can work along side our American rights. You would have to have 1 dude, judge case by case, if a guy is the enemy or not, and there is no human, and will never be any human, that can be impartial to the degree required to fill that role. (not even me, and im awsome )

4/28/2013 10:32:15 AM

No one should ever be deprived of both due process rights and Geneva convention rights

4/28/2013 11:08:48 AM

^^Thank you tremendously for that rambling paragraph of nonsense.

[Edited on April 28, 2013 at 11:11 AM. Reason : ^^]

4/28/2013 11:11:42 AM

wolf2ranger is pretty right on. But I think I take issue with being told guys who aren't in the military have no business doing anything because "they just don't know" (which, honestly, being in the sand, dealing with political forces at the ground level and waiting for the next crab-juice salesman to blow himself into pink mist is something I DON'T know about and hopefully never will)

It unsettles me for the primary reason that DHS has so thoroughly remade the "rules" that I'm not sure military dudes can readily "turn it off" when dealing with situations back home, and diminishing the value of resident citizens of your own country
I suppose it has a great deal to do with the isolationism forced on the military post Korea and the downright hostility they faced from liberals back home during Vietnam.
It changes the "Us" in the "Us vs Them" I imagine is required for solid teamwork in the highest stress environment, from "Us, the Americans" but "Us the Military" vs "Them, the non military"



[Edited on April 28, 2013 at 12:06 PM. Reason : feet]

4/28/2013 12:04:40 PM

4/28/2013 12:42:59 PM

Wolf2Ranger: not the First Amendment's biggest fan.

4/28/2013 8:43:45 PM

I have tons of family who have served in the military, so no disrespect to them or anyone else, but let's be real. The average American soldier isn't exactly a mensa member...

4/29/2013 10:50:29 AM

just got this email...

Quote :

"United States Embassy Vienna, Austria Security Message for U.S. Citizens: Demonstration Planned April 30, 2013 U.S. Embassy Vienna informs U. S. citizens residing in Austria that the Chechen Community of Vienna will hold a demonstration in support of the Boston Marathon bombing suspect in front of the Embassy at Bolzmanngasse 16, Vienna 1090, on Wednesday, May 1, at 4:00pm. A protest by the same group on April 25 lasted less than one hour and involved approximately 50 protesters. Police will be present during the demonstration and traffic may be rerouted. We remind you that even demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and escalate into violence. You should avoid areas of demonstrations, and exercise caution if in the vicinity of any large gatherings, protests, or demonstrations."

4/30/2013 11:27:06 AM

Quote :

" ?@Boston_Police 26m Three additional suspects taken into custody in Marathon bombing case. Details to follow."

5/1/2013 11:36:39 AM

Twitter is saying the Saudis warned the US about Tamerlan too. DHS says this never happened.

Only place I see it being reported is a London rag. Any other sources?

5/1/2013 12:15:41 PM

Friends charged with obstruction for removing and discarding items from the younger brothers dorm room.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/01/us/boston-attack/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

What pieces of shit.

Also

Quote :

"When Kadyrbayev texted his friend to tell him "he looked like the suspect on television," Tsarnaev texted back "lol" and added, "come to my room and take whatever you want," the affidavit states. Phillipos, Tazhayakov and Kadyrbayev went to the room, where Kadyrbayev noticed a backpack containing fireworks that had been "opened and emptied of powder," according to the affidavit."

The fuck

5/1/2013 8:43:58 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/22/da-looks-for-links-between-bomb-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev-and-2011-triple/

Quote :

"Investigators in a Boston suburb are looking into possible links between a suspect in last week's Boston Marathon bombing and an unsolved 2011 triple murder. Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was pronounced dead early Friday after a shootout with police, was a friend of one of three men found dead in an apartment in Waltham on Sept. 12, 2011, their necks slit and their bodies reportedly covered with marijuana. Tsarnaev and his murdered friend, Brendan Mess, were both boxers. Middlesex County District Attorney's Office spokeswoman MaryBeth Long said authorities are checking for any possible connection beteen Tsarnaev and the murders. "We continue to follow all leads and will review any new information that may come to light in that case as a result of the investigation of bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev," Long said. John Allan, owner of Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts in Allston, told the Boston Globe that he had introduced Tsarnaev to Mess back in 2011. Allan described Tsarnaev as the "best boxer in Boston" but said he hadn't been back to the Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts center in years -- at least not until this month, the Globe reported. While Allan was on a trip to Thailand, he received an email from employees saying that Tsarnaev had showed up to the gym and had acted rude to other gym-goers. Allan said the incident was a sign that "something was up." Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/22/da-looks-for-links-between-bomb-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev-and-2011-triple/#ixzz2S8ruFKfc"

http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2013/04/22/the-tsarnaev-brothers-and-the-coming-savage-empire-of-islam/2/

5/2/2013 9:42:05 AM

wait, people actually think it's a good idea to call this guy an enemy combatant and deny him all his rights?

jesus.

it's like the movie the siege is really happening.

5/2/2013 9:59:09 AM

some people just want to watch the world burn

5/2/2013 10:00:25 AM

So what do you guys think should be done with the body of Tamerlan Tsarnaev?

5/6/2013 2:09:23 PM

no opinion, don't care

5/6/2013 2:10:04 PM

cremated, it would be cheaper to ship back to his batshit crazy mom in Russia that way

5/6/2013 2:33:27 PM

burial at sea

5/6/2013 2:46:41 PM

or just let people from the marathon piss on it.

5/6/2013 5:22:02 PM

use his intestines as the finish line for next year's race

5/6/2013 8:13:26 PM

The mother wants the body. Ship it to her on a container ship and lose it overboard and claim a rogue wave. Oops.

5/6/2013 8:16:31 PM

ship it to her in a container of bacon grease

5/6/2013 8:17:30 PM