page 74 says

tournaments are the suck

fuck bigdawg

[Edited on January 15, 2006 at 9:03 PM. Reason : dsa]

1/15/2006 9:03:34 PM

omg.. if you are watching the big tourny on stars.. do you not want to kill papoorboy?

here's chips:
papoorboy: 5468514
danistheking: 2625156
karen 19: 1903830

dan is pressin hard for an EVEN chop of $315k and papoorboy is lookin like he's gonna do it... wtf man!

1/16/2006 12:40:20 AM

whats the blinds

1/16/2006 12:49:55 AM

30k/60k with 3k ante

1/16/2006 12:53:48 AM

it could technically still go any way, but papoor just knocked out the one guy that was saying no to the deal from 7-handed and they aren't rewarding him... both pap and the dude each had around 2.5m

1/16/2006 12:54:47 AM

I was watching too, that shit was nuts






that guy dan totally reemed him, and karen just went along for the ride. dan was so adament about an even split for so long that eventually papoorboy excepted a measly 5k from karen.

then of course he took down the whole thing in like 10 minutes, he must feel like a total fool right now. if not, he will in the future when he fully thinks about how much he got punked.



the full payouts were:
1st - 159960
2nd - 95976
3rd - 59985





[Edited on January 16, 2006 at 1:28 AM. Reason : .]

1/16/2006 1:26:55 AM

What exactly happened? I am confused.

1/16/2006 1:33:28 AM

basically the chipleader agreed to a terrible deal once they got down to 3. he had 55% of the total chips and let the two short stacks talk him into a virtually even split, with the shortest stack giving up a measly 5k to make it work.

my pic is a little blurry, but you should be able to make out the important numbers



a normal split would give everyone at least 60k for the 3rd place prize, then split the remaining money based on their chip counts. if they had done it that way it would have been like 132k for the leader, 92k for middle stack, and 83k for the short stack. then they play for 10k to the winner.

anyways that's a normal fair split, the chipleader agreed to a horrible deal though and basically gave away 22k because they convinced him "it's anyone's game"

I could understand giving up a few thousand in that situation in order to get a deal done, because nothing is for sure, but 22k is ludicris.





[Edited on January 16, 2006 at 1:51 AM. Reason : .]

1/16/2006 1:38:01 AM

glad im not the only one that saw that lunacy.

karen made out like a bandit, and via ICM papoorboy gave up ~20someodd grand in equity.


Way to go dude

1/16/2006 10:15:35 AM

papoor even said that he went and talked to his buddies about it... i really think that he would have won.. he was playing the best with over half the chips..

if i were his friends, i'd have made him say "keep playing" 'till dan gave in

1/16/2006 10:20:18 AM

but then again, if it was you

would you be willing to take the 105k, with no chance of losing that?

or take the chance of only getting like 45k

thats a big difference to me at this point in time, and I may even be inclined to take that deal.

in all honesty, i dont see how i could turn a deal down at that point, its huge money to me.

Now if i was a full time pro or something, Id go for the win straight up, but Im not. Im just trying to build a nice little play fund.

a way to make sure I dont lose that much money doesnt seem like a bad idea.

sucks for him, but he did well to make it that far.


according to http://www.thepokerdb.com, none of the three have had many wins on pokerstars, but word around the internet is that danistheking or whatever is some sort of new up and comming 18 year old pro from englang who has had a few large european tournament cashes over the past few months. who knows how much stock id put in that, but it feels as if he obviously felt he was the best player at the table at the time.

if i had only won like 4-6k total in my poker career, a 100k guarantee with no chance of busting down 30-40k or whatever it was sounds like a damn good thing to me

1/16/2006 10:40:25 AM

I would have made the deal work out better for me if I was the chip lead. But to guarantee an ammount that large, I am with Pilgrim. I would want to make sure I made the most I could, and not get sucked out on for 3rd and lose 35k.

1/16/2006 11:24:47 AM

i agree too, but, i wouldnt have let dan take such control... he was pretty much tellin pap what he was going to do..

i would have said "no, lets play" then someone would surely have said wait wait... i'll give you 5k more... to ensure their safety.. if not, i woulda swallowed my pride and said deal

3rd place was ~60k


[Edited on January 16, 2006 at 11:39 AM. Reason : .]

1/16/2006 11:39:08 AM

So how long did that tourney take to play...thats the $200 9000+ people you mentioned on the page before right?

1/16/2006 12:47:58 PM

^^ did you not see the dialogue right before the deal got done? dan put him on the clock, ie "you have 1 minute to decide or the deal(even split at that point) is off the table"

at the end of the minute papoorboy said "let's play" and it was karen who wisely chimed in with "wait, how much do you need to deal?" then she gave up the 5k.

1/16/2006 4:41:12 PM

Hey everyone intersted:

I am hosting a 15-$20 heads up no limit tournament this weekend, with a probable cash game afterwards.

We are trying to get 64 players in a bracket stley tournament.

Let me know if you are interested. Last time we had one, we had 32 players and it was ahell of a lot of fun.

probable games of multiple liimits aftweraqrds.












(sorry been at te bar all night)

1/17/2006 1:05:57 AM

*raises hand*

1/17/2006 1:25:21 AM

I might be in, depending on what day and time.

1/17/2006 1:35:58 AM

figured i should try my hand at some omaha tonight. I am kinda new at it, but was this a bad play? I knew everyone would be pot committed and call the allin, and I had the best hand when it happened. I need an omaha expert to let me know if it was a stupid move. Saw a royal flush 2 hands before this too. I was pretty sure there was a flush draw and also either a straight draw or trips. I really need to quit for awhile......

***** Hand History for Game 3385945987 *****
$25 PL Omaha - Tuesday, January 17, 02:58:28 EDT 2006
Table Table 65312 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 6: thechad225 ( $68.66 )
Seat 10: ONEOUTER111 ( $25 )
Seat 5: HurricaneHG ( $20 )
Seat 1: chinastefan8 ( $32.76 )
Seat 9: joechump ( $16.34 )
Seat 3: LudaRus ( $27.15 )
Seat 8: matt1551 ( $45.65 )
Seat 2: VogelB5 ( $20.15 )
Seat 4: BetRaiseNuts ( $25 )
Seat 7: gammmon ( $24.50 )
LudaRus posts small blind [$0.10].
BetRaiseNuts posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HurricaneHG [ Qh Ts Qs 5d ]
HurricaneHG calls [$0.25].
thechad225 calls [$0.25].
gammmon calls [$0.25].
matt1551 calls [$0.25].
joechump folds.
ONEOUTER111 folds.
chinastefan8 calls [$0.25].
VogelB5 folds.
LudaRus folds.
BetRaiseNuts checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, 2c, 6c ]
BetRaiseNuts checks.
HurricaneHG bets [$1.55].
thechad225 calls [$1.55].
gammmon raises [$7.75].
matt1551 folds.
chinastefan8 calls [$7.75].
BetRaiseNuts folds.
HurricaneHG is all-In [$18.20]
thechad225 folds.
gammmon is all-In [$16.50]
chinastefan8 calls [$16.50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8c ]
gammmon shows [ 6h, 6d, Ah, Js ] four of a kind, sixes.
chinastefan8 shows [ Qc, 2s, 8s, Ac ] a flush, ace high.
HurricaneHG shows [ Qh, Ts, Qs, 5d ] a full house, Queens full of sixes.
gammmon wins $9 from side pot #1 with four of a kind, sixes.
gammmon wins $59.40 from the main pot with four of a kind, sixes.

ok, i calculated the percentages, and I guess it was a good move because i had the 6 guy dominated, and the other guy was on a draw.

[Edited on January 17, 2006 at 2:17 AM. Reason : tricky omaha]

1/17/2006 2:05:34 AM

you push all day long with top set, if you lose you lose, someone could have a big draw and you might be about even money against him, but you might be up against 2nd set, so you push all day long

at least that's what i do, of course you could mix it up and get tricky if you had a good read on what your opponent had, but the basic play is to push, you didn't do anything wrong

[Edited on January 17, 2006 at 2:24 AM. Reason : kld;f]

1/17/2006 2:24:12 AM

an illustration of how silly PLO is:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/saddlepoint/7844.html

Quote :

"Michel: "Pot." Teddy CIA: "Pot." Michel: "Pot." Teddy CIA: "Pot." Michel: "Pot." Teddy CIA: "Pot." Michel: "Pot. I'm all in." Teddy CIA: "Alright, I call. What do you have?" Michel: "Jack high flush draw and middle set." Teddy CIA: "Wrap, with a king high flush draw." Michel: "Boy, I sure hope my 5:4 edge holds up, otherwise I am going to die." "

In otherwords, if you can't handle losing big pots you shouldn't be playing the game. If you ever lose so many big pots that you're actually wondering whether or not to push top set on a flop like that, maybe you do need a break.

1/17/2006 2:56:13 AM

Quote :

"Law Professor: "I am a Jew." Michel: "I hate you.""

1/17/2006 3:42:10 AM

1/17/2006 4:04:04 AM

Quote :

"Hey everyone intersted: I am hosting a 15-$20 heads up no limit tournament this weekend, with a probable cash game afterwards. We are trying to get 64 players in a bracket stley tournament. Let me know if you are interested. Last time we had one, we had 32 players and it was ahell of a lot of fun. probable games of multiple liimits aftweraqrds. "

im not gonna be here to defend

1/17/2006 6:49:35 AM

Well last night I went to some building of Cary Parkway and made the most I have ever made in a 1/2 game of my life. The funny part was I really only went cause yesterday was Mon. and Mon. is Chinese.

Anywho..........I made 998 dollars in like 4.5 hours. All I can say, is don't you love when people ahead of you go all in with you holding the nuts.


Anyways Ben, I wanna play, but Sat. is def out for me. Just get up with me on the details.

1/17/2006 10:26:17 AM

I won me a $50 gift certificate for 1rst place at Damon's last night.

1/17/2006 6:13:12 PM

My Tuesday night game has been on hiatus for a few weeks, looking to get it back up and running tonight. Gonna shoot for a 930 PM start in North Raleigh off Lynn Road. Let me know if you're interested.

1/17/2006 7:55:57 PM

I got an email this morning saying that full tilt has a mac version now if anybody's interested

1/18/2006 4:35:07 PM

Poker players arent stupid enough to use Macs

1/18/2006 5:52:00 PM

i am hammmered, ^fuck you you lurker, is that bullshit heads up tourney still goin on or what?

excuse the cuss words cause im fuckinn hammered ok?

1/18/2006 10:33:35 PM

i do not play poker on nights ncsu plays

watching us play is the only sure way to put me on tilt

1/18/2006 10:42:27 PM

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Thursday, January 26th, 2005
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1/18/2006 11:16:54 PM

haha what a donkfest thats going to be

someone spread the word about a 2/5 nlh game there

a game always needs atms

mebbe i'll have one when i get back to my place in raleigh

[Edited on January 18, 2006 at 11:44 PM. Reason : .]

1/18/2006 11:37:42 PM

i once had 5 straight full houses... it was great

1/18/2006 11:46:49 PM

if by full houses, you mean penises, then i'd believe it

1/18/2006 11:48:01 PM

so partypoker is starting to make up for all the shit they have put me through in the last few days.

Dealt AQ suited right after the BB, so I limp. everybody limps and the flop comes QQ2, nice, I'm thinkin. BB bets a dollar. I call everyone else folds. He then bets a quarter after the turn, which is a 9.... some guys are so easy to read... I raise him to a dollar. River is the 4th queen. He bets 5 bucks, thinkin he is good with his FH, so I push allin and he calls. Eassssy Money. He shows 10 2 or some shit.

1/19/2006 12:05:33 AM

how you gonna bust the doyle like that

1/19/2006 12:34:22 AM

haha, maybe it was his lucky hand too. but he ran into the wrong cards tonight

1/19/2006 12:38:02 AM

i haven't played in 6 months or so

i deposited $100 on pokerroom yesterday and i'm up to $520 now

1/19/2006 3:30:04 AM

question...

first: in mtt play your game and hand selection has to shift to accomodate a decreasing number of players at your table.

anyone have any thoughts about how to adjust your game against players that are obviously working together??

its the final table with three people left, its you against two people working together against you.

[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 10:58 AM. Reason : zhZg]

1/19/2006 10:57:53 AM

you're pretty much fucked

call the cops

1/19/2006 12:02:25 PM

^^buck up like a man, get a read on their tactics, and use it to beat them both

if that fails, try crying

1/19/2006 3:20:36 PM

^heh

didnt really realize it until after i went out. i was doing well and making good decisions...

its not a big deal really, it was a world tavern poker thing and i did really well.

i was looking for a semi serious response because i would like to learn from it.

anyway, these two guys were good friends and played super tight at the final table, so trying to isolate and get them out with several other people at the table was not so much of an option. when it got down to me against them, they just would not play a hand if the other one was in.

the turning point for me went with me on the button and first to act with KK, i raise it up 6x the blinds. (blinds are still 1000/2000 for some reason) and im sitting with something around 60 or 70k so i make it 14k to play. the guy pushes all in and i call. guy turns over A10off and my kings are broke against trip aces. so now im short stack against two guys that will not play a hand against each other. it lasts for a little while longer and i eventually go out in third.

the thing is, that i wasnt really aware that anything like that was going on until i busted. the very next hand after i am finished, they both push all in blind against each other and agree that the winner of the hand wins the tournament.

i think about my play and try to get better. after all, isnt that why people post their beats in this thread. anyway, playing against two individual players as a team is something i hadnt really thought too much about before

[Edited on January 19, 2006 at 3:49 PM. Reason : asdgasg]

1/19/2006 3:46:57 PM

well to give a serious response, if they were working together then they don't really know how to do it, bc by not playing a hand against eachother it really doesn't effect you nearly as much as it would if they were constantly raising and reraising eachother to push you out

for instance, you hit tptk, and the turn brings a flush draw, now you bet out, 1st guy raises, 2nd guy reraises, if you didn't know they were playing with eachother you'd almost certainly have to fold, then the other guy could just fold, they could you push you around all day long, also they could just go all in against eachother and give one guy a huge chip lead

by not playing against eachother they pretty much gave away their advantage, now like i said if you picked up on the fact that they were playing with eachother you could wait for a big hand, let them try to push you out, then take a big pot from both of them

if they weren't gonna play a hand against eachother you s hould've opened up more, since you didn't have to fear a raise from the 3rd guy since he'd fold if his friend showed interest, at least that's what i think, to give you a serious response

1/19/2006 3:51:47 PM

i think you are right...

there was raising and reraising between the two of them, it just went on preflop (helping to build a bigger pot with my chips involved)

i imagine that their thought was that going all in against each other to give the guy a lot of chips would not give them any better chance to beat me. i had more of a stack than both of them combined.

anyway, they built up pots preflop and didnt really get anywhere, the one with the worst hand of the two would get out after that. then the turning point when my all in call with pocket kings got busted. that was just unfortunate. it put me at even more of a disadvantage when they had the chips to call any aggressive move i could make.

and i think you are right, i should have opened up more. but i also didnt really realize it until they went all in blind after i busted. had i considered that possibility earlier, things may or may not have been different. either way, my mistake.

1/19/2006 3:58:49 PM

^agreed, instead of 2 people pounding on you, they were letting you get isolated against 1 player.

1/19/2006 4:03:06 PM

i was also thinking that i could have switched to super tight mode...

i was sitting with about 60 - 70k in chips with the blinds being 1k/2k

i could have folded my blinds for a little while with anything less than a top 10 hand.

one of two things could have happened...

1) they are forced to go head to head against each other ( i could have made the game last a long long time)

2) they get greedy and play their own hands looser thinking i will fold, and then i strike.

1/20/2006 9:03:49 AM

collusion in a free poker tournament? i highly doubt that...

1/20/2006 10:39:52 AM

^ 2 good friends that dont care who wins as long as it isnt me???

they talked about the point rewards differences between 1st, 2nd and 3rd and felt that it wasnt that big of a difference.

then going all in blind the first hand after i am out??? one had a bigger stack than the other, but they mixed their chips in the middle and decided that the winner of this blind hand would be the winner of the tournament.

i put their third friend off the table when it was down to two tables. the guy that i put out threw the deck of cards across the table all over the place.

maybe im imagining things and i choked. but the evidence i have stated just reinforces my thoughts that they were in it together.

i only posted about it because i had never run into the possibility of people playing somewhat together against another person.

[Edited on January 20, 2006 at 10:53 AM. Reason : ultimately i dont care about a free tournament, but like i said... i would like to get better]

1/20/2006 10:52:40 AM

final 3 action is going to get loose, especially in a free tournament. So I wouldn't say preflop raises & re-raises really mean a lot.

and the blind heads up doesn't really mean much either. it's just a quick way to get the tournament over with, especially when the value of winning/losing is pretty much the same (absolutely nothing)...

i think that kind of behavior could lead to thoughts of collusion... but if they really didn't value the rewards between 1st in 3rd, why would they put forth the effort to work together. they're much more likely to just play maniacs and get the tournament over with.

1/20/2006 11:17:51 AM