^^ Finally. Jean shorts have come to xbox.

9/22/2007 9:33:35 PM

so it should only take a week after I send off my Xbox to get a new/refurbished one?

9/22/2007 10:42:48 PM

bout 1-2. some ppl are luckier than others.

9/22/2007 11:15:56 PM

think they'll fix mine or send me a new one? the drive won't read discs sometimes, and sometimes I get the red lights ... it's weird ... I'm worried they won't be able to reproduce the errors ...

9/22/2007 11:21:02 PM

Dual wielding pistols.

Motorcycles.

niiiiiiiice.

9/22/2007 11:44:02 PM

I got a replacement in a week even though they quoted me 4-6 weeks

9/22/2007 11:59:42 PM

^^^ they'll send refurbished

apparently the ones that are being sent out now are newer ones that have the better cooling

of course I was right before this wave of new xboxes being sent out, so i'm sure mine is going to red ring within 6 months and i'll have to get a new one again

9/23/2007 1:18:12 PM

just go buy one from a store, switch out units

bingo bongo

Halo 3 got a 9.5 from IGN

IM CANCELING MY PREORDER

[Edited on September 23, 2007 at 3:11 PM. Reason : .]

9/23/2007 3:10:54 PM

Hmmm. Is there a Shin Gouki in Puzzle Fighter?

9/23/2007 11:53:08 PM

^^ so when you do that, you just buy one from wal-mart, switch them out, take it back 2 days later and say "i changed my mind, please don't check it" and they buy it?

9/24/2007 12:42:26 AM

man i got the red circle of death...how do i switch out my box?

9/24/2007 12:44:21 AM

^^ I brought up the switch because I really want one with the HDMI input

9/24/2007 2:00:02 AM

Bummer dude ^, call xbox support or hit up the website. They're pretty fast at this point and likely you'll have a model that's covered for free replacement. When'd you buy it?

9/24/2007 9:17:14 AM

Anyone have any ideas about 360 price drops around Christmas?

9/24/2007 9:50:56 AM

the price just dropped and halo 3/assassin's creed/mass effect is coming out

don't count on it

9/24/2007 9:52:07 AM

9/24/2007 10:03:32 AM

but who knows

i'm wrong about 80% when it comes to guessing video game trends anyway

9/24/2007 10:24:55 AM

haha, nah, you're probably right

I just don't see myself shelling out that much cash for one any time soon

9/24/2007 10:29:36 AM

I would say buy a used one

but because of the RRoD problems, you may want to wait until you can purchase a premium with the HDMI port (those have the upgraded cooling systems)

not the elites

9/24/2007 10:52:08 AM

^ yea - def want an HDMI output, but will NOT be buying an elite, lol.

9/24/2007 11:14:09 AM

Ok, so they're shipping the new 360s with HDMI ports. When do they start shipping the 65nm chips? My roommate and I are going to get a 360, but we don't wanna buy an old one if something new is going to come out soon.

9/24/2007 1:16:05 PM

^ inquiring minds would like to know

the only reason i want one is for rock band, but that doesn't mean i want to settle for old shit....unless i can get it dirt cheap

9/24/2007 6:45:53 PM

Tiger 08 is pretty dope

its harder than the previous years but once you get your stats built up its easier...i still havent figured out chipping and putting can be tricky...good game though

9/24/2007 6:48:11 PM

i already said it before in the other thread, but gamefly totally redeemed theirselves for the shitty service the past month by sending me halo on the first day it is out (i added it to my queue yesterday)

9/24/2007 7:16:59 PM

i'm not happy with gamefly honestly

too many "unreadable" discs have come my way

too many 8 day shipments from PA

i'll be canceling my subscription

9/24/2007 10:15:05 PM

my first 3 months were great, but the 4th i started getting games lost in the mail or nothing i really wanted. i cancelled.


tons of games then came out so i resubscribed for another 3 months. the first 2 had quick shipping, but i didnt get a damn thing i wanted. the last month now i've gotten bioshock and halo 3 pretty much right after i put them on my queue.


real hit or miss service.

9/24/2007 10:28:05 PM

http://skate.share.ea.com/profiles/2101/posts/261098.aspx

9/28/2007 12:24:35 PM

rumours are flying that SOME of the new Halo 3 x360's have 65nm GPUs and CPUs.

That, coupled with the new bundles coming next month (Forza 2 + Marvel Ultimate Alliance packed in) might finally put me over the edge.

These consoles should be MUCH more reliable, in fact people are saying that the heatsinks have been reduced in the new machines, and that they are less noisy.



Also rumoured is that a new "core" system is coming, bundled with a wireless controller, 256MB memory unit, 5 XBLA games on disc, and HDMI. What, then, is the difference b/w this unit and the PRO version? Only the 20B HDD? Is there any other reason I might want to go for the PRO (or premium or whatever it's called now)? How necessary/useful is the HDD on 360?

[Edited on September 28, 2007 at 3:14 PM. Reason : d]

9/28/2007 3:12:59 PM

having all these different versions of the same system coming out is pretty lame...makes sense to improve the system over time, but now you have "under par" versions of the same console

9/28/2007 3:25:25 PM

4 different official models (Core, Elite, Pro, Halo), around 3 hardware variations of each. And more than 3/4 of them are under-par. And by under-par I mean ticking time bombs.

9/28/2007 3:38:53 PM

Welcome to MS in the gaming industry. They do it with their software, why the hell wouldn't they do it with their consoles too. MS also brought us $60 games and having to pay to play online.

9/28/2007 3:44:22 PM

xbox live even at $50 (which its always on sale for $40 or less for 13 month cards) > psn network

i have both systems and xbl is just in my opinion, the way its integrated and everything

9/28/2007 3:47:14 PM

I'm not saying Xbox Live isn't good, I'm saying it should be free. I mean come on, you're paying money for what is at it's core, a peer to peer service. Your consoles are doing most of the heavy lifting, MS just runs listen servers.

[Edited on September 28, 2007 at 3:51 PM. Reason : :]

9/28/2007 3:50:17 PM

The HDD is very useful. I suggest not swimming in the waters without it. Not only for demos, but saved material it just is more seamless to have it appending to the hard disk instead of dealing with the memory unit. Just my .02 though.

Although I do applaud MS on the new Core package as it is a nice value at the reduced core price with the addition of memory and wireless controller. That memory card is fine and functional if you don't care about downloads/demos/marketplace content like videos.

9/28/2007 3:55:06 PM

Sounds like I'll want the HDD then (at least the 20GB). It really sucks that you have to buy the proprietary MS tech, though... I know the 20GB is almost $100, how much is the 100GB??

9/28/2007 3:59:30 PM

100GB is too much unless you plan on following the soon to be IPTV and vidoes and all that jazz. You can stream everything via Media Center Edition or Windows Media Extender (if you have XP), so that amount of space is a bit much.

Also, shrike, don't even try it - Xbox live for 50 bucks in a year is worth every damn penny. The service kicks the bullshit out of PSN and is worth the money for them to keep it reliable, updated, privilege of friends implementations, improvements, matchmaking, the works.

I suggest getting this deal which always runs on amazon. $70 on Amazon w/ Live Vision Camera, UNO, Robotron, 200 MS points, another Headset, and 1 year of Xbox Live Gold. I love that deal. Something is hilarious about beating someone in Bomberman and then mooning the competition when you win and it gives you 5 seconds to taunt everyone through your camera. Also, I like the Camera for various Live Arcade games, Video Chat, and appending your mugshot to your guy's face in Tiger woods 08 or Tom Clancy Vegas. Also as your gamertag Pic face. Or your nutsack. That's always a hoot.

9/28/2007 4:04:21 PM

Why are you comparing XBox Live to PSN? I never said PSN was better or even equal to XBox Live. All I said is that paying money for a peer to peer gaming service is complete and utter bullshit. If they are going to charge $50 a year, they should at least provide dedicated servers. MS didn't dare try to charge PC gamers money to play Halo 2 online, because they knew they would get laughed out of the room. It's a scam, and you know it. There is nothing XBox Live does that Steam doesn't do for free. Call me a fanboy all you want, but I'm just calling it like I see it.

[Edited on September 28, 2007 at 4:14 PM. Reason : woops]

9/28/2007 4:10:57 PM

No I totally disagree with you. I don't think it's a scam at all. Sure, Nintendo and Sony can offer free online play. But will it ever be as all-encompassing and as simply stream-lined as Xbox Live?

For less than $5 a month, I am happy to pay for XBox Live. Ecstatic even. "you get what you pay for" has been the moral of this story since the PS3 and Wii's release. We have seen piss poor online implementation, no singularity to the services, one game is good, one game is bad, one game has nothing, shitty 2nd-rate Second Life rip offs that never see light of day anyway, and friend codes ad infinitum and nauseum. I mean Xbox Live has muscle...I was impressed to see it bent but did not break in the advent of over 350,000 players online at once playing Halo3, and still nightly they average at 200K and yet it kept up and running. Sure if might have chugged for a couple of games initially, but when the next best console online service (PSN) couldn't handle 10K concurrent on Warhawk and 100K total sales the first week it's fucking hard to be critical of XBL given the landscape.

Any why are you using PC games to contrast with? You can't compare PC and console right now, its just not a fair argument. I also find this comical, "but since when did we ever have to pay for easy-to-use matchmaking service on a PC?" You're right, never, because we have rarely gotten it on the PC. Look at all the Frankenstein online PC matchmaking from the likes of EA/DICE. Anyone who has played any Battlefield game knows how horrible their service is. I could go on, there are and have been many more. Steam is fantastic mind you, but god damn does it have problems and compatibility issues with games. I think it's a fanastic service from a company whose model is signing on games to make it happen, but don't expect that out of a console yet. There's just not that backlog of games to do that with like Steam does.

Now I am not saying that every game's matchmaking has been fantastic on Xbox Live, but the lion share and majority of it has and delivered a Gold Standard to users out there, and that's why you hear people talk about how well it's implemented....and it all comes back to "you get what you pay for"

9/28/2007 4:35:59 PM

Quote :

"It's a scam, and you know it. There is nothing XBox Live does that Steam doesn't do for free. Call me a fanboy all you want, but I'm just calling it like I see it."

Completely wrong. There are dozens of things about live that I love and they justify the yearly cost. It's a messaging service, a content distribution service, and most importantly a standardized platform.

Being able to get demos, free video and audio, rent movies, buy small games, invite my friends to play, send messages, highlights, clips, photos and chat are all awesome. And it all WORKS, and works well.

Quote :

"If they are going to charge $50 a year, they should at least provide dedicated servers."

They do. Do you even realize the scale of Xbox Live's datacenters?


----------------------------

On another note, im addicted to Blue Dragon right now.

Also Skate is awesome, Tiger 08 is fun, Earth Defense Force 2017 is fun as hell, Halo 3 is cool, and i'm still stuck on Forza 2

[Edited on September 28, 2007 at 4:52 PM. Reason : .]

9/28/2007 4:49:53 PM

Dude, you really are a joke. You attack me in another thread for being some sort of Sony internet avenger, yet here you are jumping in guns blazing to defend having to pay for something that should be free.

Why shouldn't I compare PC and consoles? Every single games that wasn't an MMORPG has been free to play online on the PC. If you're going to charge me money, I better be getting something in return. The single most important thing to an online gaming service is having fast, reliable servers to play on. Not matchmaking, not friends lists, not any of that other bullshit you mentioned. Actually being able to, you know, play the gamei is what counts. Compared to free online on the PC, the 360 pales in comparison. 16 player games? That's it? Battlefield 2 has 64 player servers. Nice try bringing that game up but it's no comparison. When Live can reliably handle that sort of player load, then you can start bringing up that other shit like friends lists and matchmaking. Even the lowly PSN can handle 40 player games. What the fuck is MS doing with your money if they can't even provide the same gaming experience that the free services can't?

I'm glad that you're happy to give MS your money. It's great for the industry. But it's still bullshit and it's still a scam.

Quote :

"Being able to get demos, free video and audio, rent movies, buy small games, invite my friends to play, send messages, highlights, clips, photos and chat are all awesome."

You do realize those things cost money too? MS is making shit tons of money off movie rentals and buying games. Why do they have to charge you to play games online on top of that? You ever heard of XFire? It does every thing as far as maintaining a friends list and inviting them to play games. And it's free.

Quote :

"They do. Do you even realize the scale of Xbox Live's datacenters?"

No they don't. Every online game you've played on XBox Live has been peer to peer. You're paying for a listen server. Believe.

[Edited on September 28, 2007 at 4:54 PM. Reason : :]

9/28/2007 4:50:12 PM

Anybody who calls me a fanboy joke but at the same time refreshes a decaying PS3 thread every time the 360 one gets bumped with the same news about the same 2 games coming out in the next 6 months for the PS3 needs to really take some self-eval. time.

You just can't stand to see anyone enjoying MS, face it shrike. I see your crappy posts everywhere in other threads stinking that same vibe up. It's like you feel the need to be the personal dejector to remind us we are all duped by the big boys up in Redmond. Fuck yea, I'll give em my money, same reason why people have been doing it for Windows. Like anyone has a better more seamless alternative that isnt an overwhelming hassle?

No. So go post more about the texture pattern they added in Uncharted or something else NEWS worthy in the ps3 thread.

SO LEAVE NOW ! MASTER CHIEF SAYS GO PLAY ON YER peee ssss tripple!



[Edited on September 28, 2007 at 4:59 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on September 28, 2007 at 4:59 PM. Reason : SLAYER!]

9/28/2007 4:56:23 PM

Hahahah wow dude, thanks for revealing yourself. Yeah I know, I can't stand anyone enjoying MS. I've only been gaming on Window's platforms, for say, about 15 years or so. I even defended the 360's hardware in the tech talk thread. But thanks for reverting to flaming the PS3 and being a troll again. It's going to make ignoring everything you post much easier.

9/28/2007 5:04:23 PM

god i hate it when this happens in a game thread

can you please just create a xbox 360 vs ps3 thread and just get all your little fights out of the way there?

no one wants to read 6 paragraphs in each post about which is better

who the fuck cares, it's a god damn video game console

9/28/2007 5:06:06 PM

Well read the thread Drovkin - we were going about like normal thread posters until shrike came in and took a dump on xbox live and why we have to pay. That obviously started the flamewar, what else started it?

I'm defending a service i like and use, not MS. I don't like seeing people post tripe. It'd be no different if someone walked into the Panthers thread and said, you know - The Panthers suck and what do you expect out of a cheap franchise. You think everyone will go - Hrmm, thanks for your opinion? Bye now?

9/28/2007 5:09:44 PM

Yeah, and the really cute part, is you defended it by changing the subject and turning it into 360 vs. PS3, instead of actually explaining why it's ok for MS to charge what they do. Nice job ace!

9/28/2007 5:13:39 PM

Quote :

"If you're going to charge me money, I better be getting something in return."

You do. You might not like what you get, but you get it

Quote :

" The single most important thing to an online gaming service is having fast, reliable servers to play on. Not matchmaking, not friends lists, not any of that other bullshit you mentioned. Actually being able to, you know, play the gamei is what counts. Compared to free online on the PC, the 360 pales in comparison. 16 player games? That's it? Battlefield 2 has 64 player servers."

This has NOTHING to do with the Live service. It's a cap in the GAMES. Thereare 360 games that have 24 and 32 player multiplayer. DiRT supports up to 100 players. It has nothing to do with the SERVICE. Also, like it or not, Xbox Live is remarkably more reliable and consistent than ANY matchmaking/online offering I've EVER used on the PC. Finding a good game on BF2 /1942 was a fucking nightmare and a crapshoot most of the time.

Also you are forgetting that you DONT HAVE TO PAY TO PLAY ONLINE. There is still the xbox live silver option, or KAI/System Link if you dont want to use the service at all. It's not a fucking scam, you are just stupid.

[Edited on September 28, 2007 at 5:20 PM. Reason : ]

9/28/2007 5:15:51 PM

There are games that have a cap of more than 16 players? Games that anyone would actually want to play? Point them out to me. Team Fortress 2 has a 32 player cap on the PC, but a 16 player cap on the 360. Obviously the game wanted to have more, but your pay to play online service couldn't handle it.

And you do have to pay to play online. The XBox Live silver option only lets you download shit and talk to friends.

9/28/2007 5:19:55 PM

You can use KAI to play online for free. No, you do not have to pay to play.

DiRT supports 100 players, Frontlines and DoA 4 support 32, BF2 and CoD2 support 24, and dozens support the 16 cap limit.

Quote :

"Obviously the game wanted to have more, but your pay to play online service couldn't handle it. "

Again you are being fucking stupid. Microsoft isn't capping the limits, the developers are. THEY make the decision to lower the player limit to ensure better quality of play. Obviously the DEVELOPER had a good reason to drop the player cap.

outside of battlefield, I've never seen another game where the move from 16 to 32 players did anything other than make lag unbearable, cause constant drops and overall make the experience that much shittier. I don't think I've ever even made it through a 32 or 64 player game of anything without at least one timeout or drop from someone.

[Edited on September 28, 2007 at 5:25 PM. Reason : .]

9/28/2007 5:23:16 PM

Quote :

"Yeah, and the really cute part, is you defended it by changing the subject and turning it into 360 vs. PS3, instead of actually explaining why it's ok for MS to charge what they do. Nice job ace!"

"You get what you pay for".

9/28/2007 5:46:06 PM

Quote :

"Anybody who calls me a fanboy joke but at the same time refreshes a decaying PS3 thread every time the 360 one gets bumped with the same news about the same 2 games coming out in the next 6 months for the PS3 needs to really take some self-eval. time."

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh god, I'm dying here.

My 360 would be laughing right along with me, but that sucker kicked the bucket yesterday.

Also, as far as I'm concerned, Steam still owes me money for how shitty it used to be.

[Edited on September 28, 2007 at 7:54 PM. Reason : .]

9/28/2007 7:53:31 PM