I'd think Martin supporters would just love some insight into the deliberations, so they can claim malfeasance in more ways, while Zimmerman supporters would love to outline the exact line of reasoning used by the jury to strengthen the moral force of their technical victory; however I do imagine that those who were indifferent will remain so.

7/15/2013 10:43:06 PM

I didn't know tww had so many lawyers

7/15/2013 10:44:42 PM

i thought raleigh community college only turned out turf grass technicians

7/15/2013 10:47:29 PM

Even though Moral Monday was mostly focused on NC related legislation, I did hear a few people mention this topic, and saw this:

7/15/2013 10:52:03 PM

he obviously isnt

7/15/2013 10:53:02 PM

Charlotte had a whole rally for Trayvon

way to stay behind Charlotte, Raleigh

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/07/14/4165227/trayvon-martin-rally.html

7/15/2013 10:54:54 PM

i wonder if any zimmerman supporters showed up

7/15/2013 10:56:15 PM

^^

http://www.wral.com/rallies-large-and-small-follow-zimmerman-verdict/12661653/

Quote :

"A crowd of about 100 people gathered Sunday afternoon at Moore Square in Raleigh and about 50 people showed up at a rally Sunday evening at CCB Plaza in Durham, saying that Martin's shooting death and Zimmerman's acquittal reaches beyond racial and state lines."

Quote :

"Similar rallies happened in Greensboro, Charlotte, and Fayetteville."

7/15/2013 11:00:53 PM

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"Am I the only one who thinks Zimmerman supporters won't really care what's in her book, Martin supporters won't buy her book anyway, and those indifferent to the situation will remain so? "

I disagree. The folks that watch Nancy Grace will buy this book. Also those folks that called out the TWW jurors through the online forum would buy the book.

So that's atleast 2 people right there.

7/16/2013 12:26:45 AM

Precious doing her thing on Piers Morgan.

7/16/2013 12:32:55 AM

TIL:

Salon and Slate are two very different media organizations that do not share the same view on the Zimmerman trial.

7/16/2013 1:21:17 PM

7/16/2013 3:58:24 PM

7/16/2013 6:40:15 PM

i watched her last night

she sounded so intelligent

7/16/2013 6:45:35 PM

New troll face?

7/16/2013 6:47:48 PM

http://twitchy.com/2013/07/14/rapper-lupe-fiasco-black-blood-spills-in-the-streets-of-america-nightly-at-the-hands-of-other-blacks/

7/17/2013 10:18:34 AM

7/17/2013 10:33:40 AM

7/17/2013 11:12:37 AM

Tom Joyners dumb ass offered this kid a full scholarship to any HBCU?

I am glad to know Tom Joyner oversees all HBCU admissions. I am also glad to know that he knows Rachel wants to go to an HBCU

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"he obviously isnt "

ahahahahhaha

[Edited on July 17, 2013 at 11:28 AM. Reason : f]

7/17/2013 11:27:02 AM

Full scholarship as well as tutors to help her finish high school and take the SAT.

7/17/2013 11:47:50 AM

First look at the jury.

7/18/2013 7:42:23 PM

Moral Mondays does seem like a good place to protest the new pope.

7/18/2013 8:05:36 PM

Look at all those dumb jobless fucks

7/18/2013 8:20:57 PM

That child seems to be protesting yo gabba gabba

7/18/2013 8:29:58 PM

http://twitchy.com/2013/07/14/rapper-lupe-fiasco-black-blood-spills-in-the-streets-of-america-nightly-at-the-hands-of-other-blacks/

7/18/2013 9:06:25 PM

more like
http://twitchy.com/2013/07/14/tdubber-GrayFox33-old-links-spill-in-the-threads-of-TWW-nightly-at-the-hands-of-0EPII1/

7/18/2013 9:13:23 PM

Oh damn, I must be getting old. I opened that link from this page, and several other links from other threads. After reading them all, I had forgotten that I had opened it from here, and so I posted it

7/18/2013 9:24:40 PM

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"Most people wouldn't have done what Zimmerman did. "

That has nothing to do with anything.

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"Zimmerman called the cops when he saw black people in his neighborhood. It was in the evidence. He never called the cops on white people because he's racist. It isn't fucking rocket science you dickface."

OK, Zimmerman may be racist. Probably not in the explicit KKK, I-hate-niggers way, but possibly in a more subtle way that even he might not recognize.

...but he also may very well be not racist at all. I mean, there's evidence to that conclusion, too, and if all 8 previous burglars in his neighborhood had been young, black males, I would argue that it's not racist to cast a critical eye at Martin in those circumstances.

I do think it's wrong to take any action against an individual [Martin], even in light of those circumstances. If he was just loosely following Martin, watching to see what he was up to, I think that's perfectly fine. If that's the case, I don't think Zimmerman was even guilty of poor judgment. However, if he was following Martin in a harassing manner, then that's wrong, no matter how many young, black males had stolen shit in his neighborhood. I think that would lay some responsibility on him for Martin's death, although still, the great majority would be Martin's fault for attacking him.

Now, if Zimmerman actually threatened him (to include trying to detain him either physically or under explicit or implicit threat of force), I would say that would probably amount to manslaughter, although I'm not sure if FL recognizes this as forfeiting rights to self-defense (*that has nothing to do with "stand your ground"--just individual self-defense statutes). So, I mean, it's possible that Zimmerman really was guilty of something legally and morally...but I don't find this last one to be the most likely case, and there certainly wasn't enough evidence for it for a conviction.

7/19/2013 1:27:16 AM

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"Now, if Zimmerman actually threatened him (to include trying to detain him either physically or under explicit or implicit threat of force), I would say that would probably amount to manslaughter, although I'm not sure if FL recognizes this as forfeiting rights to self-defense (*that has nothing to do with "stand your ground"--just individual self-defense statutes). So, I mean, it's possible that Zimmerman really was guilty of something legally and morally...but I don't find this last one to be the most likely case, and there certainly wasn't enough evidence for it for a conviction."

I'm semi-talking out of my ass but i believe some states if not all have a self-defense... 'clause' where even if person A 'started' the altercation, they can still claim self defense if person B escalated the violence an unreasonable amount. which is a strong possibility in this case.

[Edited on July 19, 2013 at 1:39 AM. Reason : .]

7/19/2013 1:39:24 AM

^that's exactly correct. i posted about it in the soap box thread on trayvon. i pulled the nc statutes on it there (page 15 or 16 i think), and if there is a jurisdiction that doesn't treat self defense that way, it's a minority rule i have not heard of. it's basically if the defender escalates a non deadly confrontation by responding with deadly force, you can then use deadly force in self defense, even if you are the initial instigator.

7/19/2013 2:41:19 AM

^ what like a fist fight?

That is stupid. Consider this scenario: Asshole picks bar fight, other guy gets upper hand, asshole shoots other guy, self defense?

7/19/2013 7:55:55 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/black-americas-real-problem-isnt-white-racism-070000529.html

7/19/2013 10:41:23 AM

^^ no it's more like if you start a fistfight, then the other guy pulls a knife, in places with that law, you can smoke him.

7/19/2013 10:54:44 AM

And that is what I've heard/read/understand.

Any reasonable person would have to agree there's a great deal of ambiguity there, especially in the case that only one side of the story can be told. For example, in this case.... Zimmerman was able to say "in this fight, Trayvon equipped himself with his fists and with the concrete sidewalk.... So I had to smoke him"

7/19/2013 11:11:01 AM

where is the proof that zimmerman started the fight? does following someone warrant violence?

[Edited on July 19, 2013 at 11:48 AM. Reason : .]

7/19/2013 11:48:10 AM

http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/

7/19/2013 11:52:41 AM

^^

7/19/2013 11:54:36 AM

Interesting..

http://www.delawarepolitics.net/roderick-scott-the-black-george-zimmerman/

Quote :

"In the early morning hours of April 4th 2009, Mr. Scott thought he saw 3 teenagers breaking into his neighbors’ cars. Mr. Scott grabbed a handgun, for which he had a legal permit, and then went to the end of his driveway and ordered the teenagers to remain where they were and to wait for the police. At this point 17 year old Christopher Cervini allegedly advanced towards Scott and displayed anger. There is some dispute as to what was said. Scott says Cervini threatened him. Cervini’s friends say that he said “Please don’t shoot me I’m just a kid”. At no time did Cervini and Scott come close enough to engage in physical contact. Unlike Trayvon Martin, Cervini did not sucker Punch Scott. He did not break Scott’s nose. Cervini did not get on top of Scott and pound his head into cement. Scott shot at Cervini with 2 bullets finding their mark. 17 year old Chris Cervini died and Roderick Scott was charged with manslaughter. 7 months later a jury found Roderick Scott not guilty. "

The point here was kind of that a black man shot a white teenager.

I'll wait for someone to tell me how this was different.

7/19/2013 12:15:38 PM

I think we can all get the changes that we want, if we start with the man in the mirror

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7/19/2013 12:17:08 PM

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"^^ "

don't roll them eyes at me son.

people are arguing under the assumption that zimmerman started the fight. does following someone warrant a fistfight? because the only thing that is known is that zimmerman followed him on foot

7/19/2013 12:20:19 PM

I mean what it all boils down to is that it shouldn't matter if you're black or white



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7/19/2013 12:21:58 PM

^^i rolled my eyes because you asked two questions that you know the answer to.

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"where is the proof that zimmerman started the fight? does following someone warrant violence?"

There is no proof. No, simply following someone doesn't warrant violence.

Where's the proof that Trayvon started the fight? Where's the proof that Zimmerman was simply following him?

7/19/2013 12:24:25 PM

^
yes, exactly. hence why this is wrong:

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"people are arguing under the assumption that zimmerman started the fight. "

[Edited on July 19, 2013 at 12:31 PM. Reason : .]

7/19/2013 12:30:46 PM

Both men are innocent until proven guilty.

7/19/2013 12:52:24 PM

zimmerman judged that martin was guilty and decided that death was the appropriate sentence

7/19/2013 1:20:27 PM

Wheres the proof that trayvon di- oh wait

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7/19/2013 1:21:00 PM

^^
oh my god lol

7/19/2013 1:23:15 PM

omglol!!1

7/19/2013 1:33:03 PM

^^^^ that's retarded even by trolling standards

7/19/2013 2:30:46 PM

Quote :

"^^ no it's more like if you start a fistfight, then the other guy pulls a knife, in places with that law, you can smoke him."

so, would the knife dude be clear if he stabbed the first guy to death before he could pull a gun?

7/19/2013 2:38:16 PM