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1/25/2009 7:38:49 PM

i think I've given up my hope for landing John Wall

just from the interviews and things I've read....I'm just not getting a good vibe at all.

1/25/2009 8:13:19 PM

^^ more days until sid is fired.

[Edited on January 25, 2009 at 8:13 PM. Reason : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^]

1/25/2009 8:13:28 PM

^^ yeah he's gone.

1/25/2009 8:16:04 PM

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"First of all, we're not a school with a "big-time history"."

what an idiot

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"beating UNC or Duke every now and then, and playing the tournament than watching a team finish below .500, being mauled by UNC and Duke"

Sid has beaten both UNC and Duke and Herb got mauled by both of them multiple times...don't act like Herb had any more success against those two schools than Sid has had...half the reason a lot of fans wanted Herb gone, was because despite him leading us to NCAA tourney appearances, he was getting raped by UNC and Duke

1/25/2009 8:29:37 PM

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"I'm not comparing Herb and Lowe here"

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"I'm not talking about Herb and Sidney here, though. I'm talking about you equating a 14-15, last place finish with a fourth place finish in the conference and a loss in the second round of the tournament."

Since you want to argue about it, though, Sid beat a Duke team that lost to VCU a week later.

1/25/2009 8:51:52 PM

and how many of herbs wins against unc were matt doh teams?

1/25/2009 8:53:45 PM

half or more than half I believe

1/25/2009 8:57:22 PM

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"and how many of herbs wins against unc were matt doh teams?"

Herb was 4-4 against DOH

I'm not sucking off Herb

Get that in your skull

I'm talking about any team finishing at the bottom of the conference vs. any team finishing near the top

You think those are about the same

I don't

That's the damn argument

1/25/2009 8:57:46 PM

the argument is herb needed to go

the answer is sidney is definitely not the fix, as of now

herb was never going to achieve greatness, it was time to take a gamble at finding someone who could and it is realized sidney is not that so far

1/25/2009 9:02:07 PM

^^ i was, clearly, responding to

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"Since you want to argue about it, though, Sid beat a Duke team that lost to VCU a week later."

so just so we're clear, 4 of herb's 8 wins against unc OR duke were against matt doh. word.

1/25/2009 9:05:56 PM

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" .....it is realized sidney is not that so far "

so far yes, but who knows next year and the year after that cause he isnt going anywhere.

1/25/2009 9:06:00 PM

This thread is like a repository of stupid

I quit

1/25/2009 9:07:39 PM

not you though, guy.

1/25/2009 9:10:05 PM

Well, it's safe to say we'll be in the ACC/Big 10 Challenge next year. Georgia Tech isn't winning a game in this conference. Wow, they may be the worst high major team in the country this year this side of DePaul. Even Seton Hall managed to beat Georgetown today and Virginia Tech earlier...

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"so just so we're clear, 4 of herb's 8 wins against unc OR duke were against matt doh. word."

Oh, then those don't count. I'm also a firm believer that no UNC, Duke or Wake Forest wins since Jimmy V was ousted should count against us. Nor, should any national championships they won since we weren't full strength. So UNC is tied with State at 2 NC's and Duke has 0...

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And I am generally pretty accepting of odd opinions, but I can't say it makes an ounce of sense to me that someone is actually arguing that NCAAT appearances are nothing special and just slightly better than pissing all over yourself and coming in last in the conference. And I agree with Ernie, this has NOTHING to do with former coaches, present coaches or future coaches. It's just weird...

[Edited on January 25, 2009 at 9:13 PM. Reason : z]

1/25/2009 9:11:40 PM

woah calm down. he made the point that sid beat a duke team that lost to vcu. that's all i was saying.

1/25/2009 9:14:06 PM

Look man, Treetwista pointed out Sid's win over a weak as hell Duke team like it meant something. It had absolutely nothing to do with the point he was trying to argue against, but I replied to it anyway. You brought up Herb's record against DOH like I was somehow defending Herb.

It's like no one can make a sensible point against Sid without being labeled as a Herb fanboy. I know you didn't like the guy, that's cool. I'm not arguing one way or another. My point all along has been how silly it is for you to think finishing fourth is pretty close to finishing 12th.

Yeah, finishing fourth year after year gets old, I guess. It would have been nice to finish first. But that's not the point.

You said it was only marginally better than finishing last.

Again, that's all I'm arguing against.

1/25/2009 9:15:45 PM

Honestly, I don't even know what I'm arguing anymore. I'm just procrastinating instead of studying.

So here is a picture.

1/25/2009 9:19:29 PM

when the 2nd of my two user names got kicked off PrickPride, I was labeled as a "Tar fag"

1/25/2009 9:19:49 PM

its okay

I don't know why I'm still subscribed to PP

it seems impossible, but there's like 200% more stupid on there than there has ever been on TWW

[Edited on January 25, 2009 at 9:23 PM. Reason : .]

1/25/2009 9:23:00 PM

the reality is, we weren't going to have a quick fix given the situation. there was going to be a transition period no matter what and all we can do is be patient and encourage them to improve until we can judge him on a team full of his own guys. they want to be successful just as much as we do.

1/25/2009 9:24:39 PM

fuck encouragement

this is the internet

1/25/2009 9:25:47 PM

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"Yeah, finishing fourth year after year gets old, I guess. It would have been nice to finish first. But that's not the point. You said it was only marginally better than finishing last."

i was just making a point that people are beside themself that we went from a perennial early exit team to not making the tournament, but to me it's really not that big of a deal. i'd rather have bad results as a result of an attempt to get better than mediocre results every year, b/c really this is just basketball. it's not a retirement fund, there's no reason to play it safe.

clearly if i was given the choice between one win in the tournament or the bottom of the acc, i'd pick the tournament every time, but i'm over most losses pretty quickly, and neither being terrible nor being marginal make me all that excited.

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"Honestly, I don't even know what I'm arguing anymore. I'm just procrastinating instead of studying."

ditto that, plus i hate to see nice things get said about herb sendek.

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"it seems impossible, but there's like 200% more stupid on there than there has ever been on TWW"

don't take tww for granted, it's a lot better than most message boards out there. even packpride premium is terrible. it's little things too, like grammar mistakes in every single post and guys typing '^^^^^^^' when they're responding to the post right above theirs, or old guys way overdoing the '!!!!1111onejauntwowowo!!!' meme.

1/25/2009 9:27:15 PM

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"i'd rather have bad results as a result of an attempt to get better than mediocre results every year"

I like you, simonn. Really, I do. You're usually one of the more reasonable guys here.

But are you trying to imply that Herb wasn't trying to improve? That he was actively attempting to remain mediocre?

C'mon, guy

1/25/2009 9:31:53 PM

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"fuck encouragement this is the internet "

aaaa hahahah, ftw

1/25/2009 9:33:30 PM

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"I like you, simonn. Really, I do. You're usually one of the more reasonable guys here. But are you trying to imply that Herb wasn't trying to improve? That he was actively attempting to remain mediocre? C'mon, guy"

thank you kindly, and i'm sure herb was trying to improve, but he just wasn't. he had the exact same season five seasons in a row and was about to lose half his team. it was time to try something else.

1/25/2009 9:35:31 PM

"i'd rather have bad results as a result of an attempt to get better than mediocre results every year"

that is a perfect quote,,, of course herb was trying to be all he can be... but his scheme and style is not one that will be a powerhouse, no matter how hard he tried

1/25/2009 9:36:36 PM

Word

I misread that

1/25/2009 9:37:01 PM

seriously

herb has been gone for 3 years.

come on people, let it go. are you the same people that talk about your ex-girlfriend 3 years after you've broken up?


....wait, that sounds familiar

1/25/2009 9:49:00 PM

come on guy, we had a moderately successful coach leave and he was replaced w/ one who is, so far, failing.

how you can expect his name to not get brought up is beyond me.

1/25/2009 9:51:51 PM

well, his name being brought up and his name being mentioned EVERY FUCKING DAY AD NAUSEUM FOR THREE YEARS

is a little different

but I mean, I thought herb was a decent coach, and I think Sidney has a chance to be a good one, too.

basically, I've never seen a really great NCSU team anyway, I always thought Hodge was good but not as good as people gave him credit for, but Sid is a pimp so he gets my support. So, that said, you can probably disregard all my comments if you haven't anyway.

1/25/2009 10:00:36 PM

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"are you the same people that talk about your ex-girlfriend 3 years after you've broken up?"

I WILL NEVER LOVE ANOTHER WOMAN!

1/25/2009 10:05:46 PM

lol, you're the best BigEgo

1/25/2009 10:11:03 PM

i hate knowing that my ex-girlfriend is doing better than I am

I'm unemployed...... she's making 6-figures and has a lot of respect
I'm on a dry spell...... she's banging movie stars on national television
I'm the butt of all her friends' jokes..... she's popular

1/25/2009 10:28:52 PM

its okay

you could hit it again if you really wanted to

cause all womens are whores, AMIRITE?!

1/25/2009 10:32:11 PM

This is one of the gayest threads ever created, but there's more reasonable conversation in here than ever on PP.


People that support herb in favor of Lowe don't accept the fact that Lowe did not take over the NCAA tournament team from the previous year. People that expect Lowe to have us back to that level do not accept that we're just not that good.

All you can really say is that Lowe has failed to get the most out of this current set of players, but between injuries and guys he didnt recruit looking like they don't care, i'd say its a tougher task than we're giving him credit for.

I don't have a problem with people being critical of Lowe, but saying he should be fired is retarded and short sighted. I'm starved for success just like everyone else, but I see good things coming with these recruits, and I'd like to give Lowe a chance with guys he has wanted from the beginning, not just guys he brought in to fill a roster spot.


The thing is, everyone that wants to fire Lowe doesn't have an idea for a replacement. They also don't realize the setback in recruiting will face, and most of those people generally don't understand basketball and recruiting.

Like I say, I'm ok with criticism, i'm not ok with people running their mouths with nothing to back up their bullshit.

1/25/2009 11:36:26 PM

If you don't give Lowe 3 years to get his coaching style, recruiting ties, and overall influence on the program in line, and then start actually judging his results in his 4th year, not only are you a racist, but you also don't understand jack shit about college basketball.

1/25/2009 11:43:00 PM

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"not only are you a racist"

ummmmm....huh?

1/25/2009 11:47:22 PM

Obviously people would be 100% fine with a white guy sucking this much.

But since it's a black guy, everyone's all up in arms.

1/25/2009 11:49:37 PM

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"on the program in line, and then start actually judging his results in his 4th year, not only are you a racist, but you also don't understand jack shit about college basketball."

amen

1/25/2009 11:49:44 PM

look, a couple of dumbasses cant take a joke, nor can they get the actual point of the post

[Edited on January 25, 2009 at 11:50 PM. Reason : ^amen]

1/25/2009 11:50:11 PM

listen, i voted for obama so you know... i'm pretty much clear of being called a racist for a few years at least.

1/25/2009 11:57:52 PM

I got nothing, so instead I'll just I approve of both these quotes:

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"I don't have a problem with people being critical of Lowe, but saying he should be fired is retarded and short sighted. I'm starved for success just like everyone else, but I see good things coming with these recruits, and I'd like to give Lowe a chance with guys he has wanted from the beginning, not just guys he brought in to fill a roster spot."

- wolfAApack

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"If you don't give Lowe 3 years to get his coaching style, recruiting ties, and overall influence on the program in line, and then start actually judging his results in his 4th year, not only are you a racist, but you also [then you] don't understand jack shit about college basketball."

-twista

Amen.

1/26/2009 12:35:23 AM

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"half the reason a lot of fans wanted Herb gone"

And I would be willing to bet if Sid hadn't beat UNC that one time that many more wouldn't approve of him.

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"my point was kindof that we never beat duke or unc under herb anyway."

Herb beat UNC more than Jimmy V but don't tell anyone that.

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"i would like to point out that packboozie and the rest of the hates are pathetic people based on their constant desire to bash and look at things through a negative lens"

I'm pathetic because I can admit that our team sucks? I was one of the realistic people that predicted a 5-11 season. Not one of the goons who came in here saying we will go 9-7 or 10-6 and make the NCAAs. It's not negative when its true.

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"boozie also cant let his hurt feelings for herb go either"

I liked Herb. Big deal. I have never said I want him back. I just defend Herb. I'm not the one who brings him up. I said it was a mistake then and still say it was to run him off. He could have improved even more, nobody knows that. Our starting 5 under Herb may have been Wright, Harden, Reynolds, Hummel, and Costner/McCauley if he was still here. My liking of Herb has NOTHING to do with being critical of Lowe. I was critical of Herb at times. I hated Chuck, but not because I loved MOC.

I'm sure there are plenty of people on here who hated Herb who also disprove of Lowe. And wolfAApack, nobody on here has said we need to fire Lowe so why do you say that?

[Edited on January 26, 2009 at 1:24 AM. Reason : /rant]

[Edited on January 26, 2009 at 1:26 AM. Reason : UNC sucks]

1/26/2009 1:23:23 AM

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"Sid has beaten both UNC and Duke and Herb got mauled by both of them multiple times...don't act like Herb had any more success against those two schools than Sid has had...half the reason a lot of fans wanted Herb gone, was because despite him leading us to NCAA tourney appearances, he was getting raped by UNC and Duke"

Im not trying to argue one way or the other on this, but I cant help but point out the numbers:
Herb: 8-38 against UNC/Duke, 0.210 percentage
Sid: 2-8 against UNC/Duke, 0.25 percentage
Not much difference...and baring a miracle this weekend or one in Chapel Hill, he will be 2-10...0.20 percentage...WORSE record than Herb.

But no, you cant fire Lowe this year regardless of what happens...not until Fowler is gone. We can not risk him bungling up another coaching search.

1/26/2009 2:04:02 AM

^Hey you: message_topic.aspx?topic=554948

Did you forget your thread?

[Edited on January 26, 2009 at 2:10 AM. Reason : ENDContra]

1/26/2009 2:09:38 AM

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"nobody on here has said we need to fire Lowe so why do you say that?"

are you serious?

1/26/2009 9:58:16 AM

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"Herb: 8-38 against UNC/Duke, 0.210 percentage Sid: 2-8 against UNC/Duke, 0.25 percentage Not much difference...and baring a miracle this weekend or one in Chapel Hill, he will be 2-10...0.20 percentage...WORSE record than Herb. "

For the record, Herb was something like 4-16 vs. UNC. 3 of those were vs. Matt Doherty. Lowe doesn't have that luxury.

Herb also was playing them with players he recruited

1/26/2009 10:02:17 AM

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"And wolfAApack, nobody on here has said we need to fire Lowe so why do you say that? "

No...thats what I was saying...we're having more reasonable conversation in this stupid thread than over on PP, where they actually want him fired.


I just think any discussion of it is premature considering ALL aspects of the game and our current situation. Thats what is more frustrating than anything about losing games...knowing that people are going to freak out and call for Lowe's head.


The thing is, people 4 seasons ago were not satisfied with our position in college basketball (going to the tourney, finishing with respectable records, beating most teams we should beat) so they wanted a change. I knew that a change would cause what we're currently going through...and I was upset about Herb leaving. However, I saw the writing on the wall, I saw how our coaching search went, and I saw a bright future in coach Lowe after his first season with a point guard and leader running the show on the floor. Nobody in their right mind who looks at that objectively can say Sidney Lowe should be fired, yet they still do (mostly on PP). Are there things that I wish he would do differently? Sure. Am I disappointed that we're not winning a few more games...especially games we look like we can win? sure. Am I willing to give him another year to start turning it around and another after that to get us back to where we were? hell fucking yes.

1/26/2009 10:27:20 AM

in year #1, Herb got Derek Glasser, who is currently #2 in the PAC10 in A/T ratio and is the floor general of a top-15 team

why hasn't Sid found a good/great PG over the span of ~3 years? does it really take 4 years to get a serviceable PG?

1/26/2009 12:40:25 PM