being mean today

[Edited on July 29, 2013 at 10:49 AM. Reason : sss]

7/29/2013 10:39:06 AM

you had a point

7/29/2013 10:57:12 AM

What if Trayvon felt threatened first, but since he was unarmed decided to mete out deadly force with his fists? They were really both standing their ground, just in some wild wild west shit where you can legally kill the other guy if you get in a fight with him.

7/29/2013 11:09:26 AM

Lol lets just bring back duels

7/29/2013 2:55:32 PM

Quote :

"he blasted one in the nuts and the other in the knee. Then he called 911. He ended up getting 3-4 years in prison because he didn't call the police before confronting the guys again."

maybe he went to prison because he shot to maim instead of shooting to kill

7/29/2013 3:15:37 PM

Is that the bird shot guy? Haha, neon lived in a crack house.

7/29/2013 3:18:03 PM

Quote :

"or possibly a responsible parent who wouldn't let their 14 yr old kid run around the neighborhood at 2am? "

It's not a matter of "let", it just happens. Doesn't make someone a bad kid or a bad parent. That's why youre a dick. You're a hypocrite if you did these kind of things but are now forgetting or ignoring that you did them.

If you didn't do those kind of things, you're probably a pussy.

7/29/2013 6:01:18 PM

Slightly off topic...


But I know quite a few people, myself included, that were 'less than perfect little angels' growing up....and then grew up to be contributing members of society. It's a shame that some of these kids lives are cut short because someone with a gun has a short temper or a misunderstanding. And its shameful to pretend that because a teenager is doing something stupid, they are automatically going to turn out to be some sort of criminal.

Just a thoughting

[Edited on July 29, 2013 at 6:10 PM. Reason : Stupid shit kids say and do]

[Edited on July 29, 2013 at 6:25 PM. Reason : Jj]

7/29/2013 6:05:34 PM

it's funny some people are so concerned about living in a police state or nanny state, but they seem fine living in a state where if someone is acting slightly out of what they perceive as the norm, it should be okay to murder them.

[Edited on July 29, 2013 at 6:15 PM. Reason : ]

7/29/2013 6:14:24 PM

GZ is a bitch for pulling a gun during a fair fistfight. This was not some sort of vicious attack by Trayvon Martin, it was a fight GZ started by following some dude in the dark and hollering at him. Even if Trayvon threw the first punch GZ started it by chasing him and hollering at him.

7/29/2013 6:18:07 PM

Quote :

"It's not a matter of "let", it just happens. Doesn't make someone a bad kid or a bad parent. That's why youre a dick. You're a hypocrite if you did these kind of things but are now forgetting or ignoring that you did them. If you didn't do those kind of things, you're probably a pussy."

Except when it "just happens", had the parents been more involved and been more aware. It wouldn't have happened.

I never ran into a neighbors yard because:

1. I grew up in the sticks, where everyone has a gun and warning shots are a gift.
2. You don't go on other people's property. Its called respect.

This argument is pointless, because you're an idiot and lack any logic with your reasoning.

7/29/2013 11:06:02 PM

moron acting like there arent any gangster ass 14 year old wardies in the Crescent

7/29/2013 11:10:12 PM

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/07/29/2372931/florida-police-shot-unarmed-man-shot-in-driveway-of-his-mothers-home-it-was-like-a-firing-squad/

Is it OK to get cigarettes out of a car at 2 am? Or is that a shootable offense too?

7/30/2013 1:31:25 AM

Clearly if you're black that could be an offense in which rookie cops might shoot you to death.

[Edited on July 30, 2013 at 1:48 AM. Reason : So, just like...don't do that mane..they're doing their jobs and all.]

7/30/2013 1:46:49 AM

If you're getting cigarettes out of somebody else's car at 2am, its cool, moron used to do that with his homeys back in the day, so its cool

7/30/2013 2:00:25 AM

I used to get all kinds of things out of my mother's car. Little did I know I should've been shot for it.

7/30/2013 2:09:12 AM

I just don't get the Trayvon analogies. This happened right outside the 7th Ward in New Orleans. Not exactly a gated community in Florida. And if a 'professional thief' is on your property at 2am in New Orleans, its not quite the same as getting something out of your mom's car. It's too bad some dude shot him, but sometimes 'professional thieves' don't grow old and get to tell all the tales of how they robbed people and nearly got shot. Sometimes they get shot in the head. Of course this guy is still alive, so he might still get to reminisce on his thievery escapades.

There are just so many differences in this and the TM/GZ case, I don't get the comparisons. A kid was shot, thats about the only comparison. Every other element was very different.

7/30/2013 2:15:31 AM

Quote :

"The deputies reportedly fired about seven shots at the unarmed man; Middleton was shot in the leg, and another five bullet holes hit the car and the side of house."

lol

[Edited on July 30, 2013 at 8:26 AM. Reason : .]

7/30/2013 8:25:58 AM

still more accurate than imperial stormtroopers

7/30/2013 8:29:19 AM

[Edited on July 30, 2013 at 4:39 PM. Reason : s]

7/30/2013 4:14:40 PM

Zimmerman stopped in Tx for speeding. I would have guessed Texas would be his destination. They seem to have some pretty crazy laws, much like Florida. He's probably staying with sparky for a while.

7/31/2013 6:01:27 PM

I was too young to know remember the details. Did OJ actually do it?

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

7/31/2013 6:04:25 PM

Quote :

"Did OJ actually do it?"

8/1/2013 8:42:26 AM

Got this email today

Quote :

"Last year, our son Trayvon Martin was stalked, chased down and killed by George Zimmerman, and Zimmerman received no punishment whatsoever. That's in large part because Florida is one of at least 21 states with some form of 'Stand Your Ground' law which enables people like George Zimmerman to claim self-defense. 'Stand Your Ground' was never meant to give aggressors the opportunity to get away with murder, but that is what happened when our son Trayvon was killed. After Trayvon's death, law enforcement used the law as an excuse to refuse to arrest George Zimmerman. Even worse, the jury in the case was instructed to think of what Zimmerman did as self-defense, even though Zimmerman ignored instructions from the police and instigated conflict with our son, who was just trying to get home to his father. We are shocked and heartbroken by the jury’s decision to allow our son’s killer to go free. Despite our despair, we must honor Trayvon’s legacy by doing all that we can to protect other young people from being targeted, pursued, and senselessly murdered. We started a petition on Change.org calling on 21 governors whose states have some form of 'Stand Your Ground' laws to review those laws and amend them so that people who instigate conflicts -- people like George Zimmerman -- won't be able to use these laws to get away with murder. We are not the only ones calling for 'Stand Your Ground' laws to be reviewed. President Obama spoke out on the need for review, and prominent Republicans like Senator John McCain have joined him. This is not a Democrat or Republican issue, it’s not ‘black’ or ‘white’ issue, it’s a wrong and right issue. This is a matter of making sure that no other family will ever have to go through what we have been through. No parents should ever have to know what it feels like to watch your child's killer walk free. Our hearts broke on the night of February 26, 2012 when George Zimmerman killed our son -- and we were stunned and devastated when the police refused to arrest Zimmerman. We petitioned for Zimmerman's arrest on Change.org, and after more than 2 million people joined our call, Zimmerman was charged with our son's murder. We felt so much closer to justice for Trayvon, and so grateful for the support of those who signed our petition. But on July 13, 2013, our hearts broke again when the jury set Zimmerman free. Our hearts broke because it is so hard to accept that we can't protect Trayvon anymore. But we can fight to make sure that this never happens again. Please sign our petition calling for a thorough review of all 'Stand Your Ground' laws to prevent killers like George Zimmerman from going free. We want to say thank you to all of you who have stood up for our son. Because of all your efforts, Trayvon’s life is celebrated all over the world. Please continue to stand with us as we fight to ensure that his legacy is to leave behind a safer and more peaceful world for all our sons and daughters. Thank you, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton Sign Tracy and Sybrina's Petition "

8/1/2013 2:03:33 PM

I got that too, so I started a change.org petition to have that trayvon martin change.org petition deleted

8/7/2013 2:30:31 PM

^^ that's so dumb. SYG wasn't even used in Zimmerman's defense.

8/7/2013 2:35:38 PM

Quote :

"^^ that's so dumb. SYG wasn't even used in Zimmerman's defense."

Why do people keep saying this? Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Stand your ground isn't an affirmative defense that you just "use." I mean, technically you can, but you'd be an idiot for doing it. It's more effective if you just allow it to be the new stupid legal standard that takes away the duty to retreat. SYG was CLEARLY in the jury instructions, so the defense "used" the stupid law exactly how they should have.

8/7/2013 2:47:33 PM

Quote :

"(CNN) -- George Zimmerman, set to stand trial in the 2012 shooting death of teenager Trayvon Martin, on Tuesday waived his right to a "stand your ground" pretrial immunity hearing. Zimmerman's attorneys have decided they will try this as a self-defense case."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/30/justice/florida-zimmerman-defense

it was tried as standard self-defense. zimmerman waived his right to stand your ground as a defense.

also, the instructions to the jury (which I have quoted below) are instructions based on self-defense law which has a stand your ground provision, but those instructions are the same for all Florida self-defense cases.

Quote :

"If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

[Edited on August 7, 2013 at 2:57 PM. Reason : syg]

8/7/2013 2:52:35 PM

Waiving the right to something that would hurt their case, and leaving the standard in the jury instructions. Exactly. The only reason Florida allows a person to bring SYG as an affirmative defense is because of the same stupid legislature that enacted law in the first place. It was never supposed to work that way, it isn't effective as an affirmative defense, and that's why they didn't "use" it.

Saying

Quote :

"SYG wasn't even used in Zimmerman's defense."

just doesn't make sense, unless you're intentionally trying to mislead people...

8/7/2013 3:29:10 PM

his defense wouldn't be different though if this case happened before the SYG laws

8/7/2013 3:34:38 PM

How could you say that? What are you, a mage? What we DO know is that the outcome of the case could be different, considering the duty to retreat would be different, and the legal standard to measure the facts against would be different.

8/7/2013 3:42:05 PM

oh look at racist little terpnig all in a wad over the legal system serving justice instead of the naacp. why dont you bitch about it to someone in DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC DC

8/7/2013 4:17:43 PM

Seriously. He went through the legal system. You don't have a reason to bitch anymore. If you don't like a law (or the way a society operates) then try to change it or move.

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

8/7/2013 4:31:45 PM

Quote :

"How could you say that? What are you, a mage? What we DO know is that the outcome of the case could be different, considering the duty to retreat would be different, and the legal standard to measure the facts against would be different."

because SYG removes the obligation to retreat. Zimmerman couldn't retreat while he was on his back getting his head bashed into the concrete. Even if SYG didn't exist under the same circumstances with the evidence provided the jury would have be obligated to acquit.

8/7/2013 4:58:23 PM

on this page sparky pretends to be a lawyer

8/7/2013 5:02:38 PM

Quote :

"Zimmerman couldn't retreat while he was on his back getting his head bashed into the concrete. Even if SYG didn't exist under the same circumstances with the evidence provided the jury would have be obligated to acquit."

Oh, well of course Zimmerman didn't have an opportunity to retreat. I mean, that's what he said, right? Well, good thing they didn't have to PROVE that because of the jury instructions, and knowledge of Florida's SYG law.

8/7/2013 5:09:22 PM

Quote :

"his defense wouldn't be different though if this case happened before the SYG laws"

I read somewhere that if SYG were used as an affirmative defense, then Zimmerman would have to take the stand. If true, Zimmerman taking the stand is the last fucking thing his defense would have wanted, opening him up to cross examination.

8/7/2013 5:11:34 PM

^^Are you upset about the law or what? Its kind of hard to tell

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

8/7/2013 5:13:37 PM

Quote :

"^^Are you upset about the law or what? Its kind of hard to tell"

I'm not upset about anything, but I haven't been posting on TWW much lately, and i'm only recently realizing what a little worthless shit you are...

fwiw

8/7/2013 5:22:30 PM

oh snap

8/7/2013 7:19:50 PM

BTTT



I'm Krallum and I approved this message

8/20/2013 2:01:22 PM

Did the blacks riot and loot? I was led to believe white America was going to be ransacked by Rush Limbaugh..

8/20/2013 4:30:30 PM

WE WILL REMEMBER

8/20/2013 5:33:59 PM

So how many threads are you planning to post the exact same shit in exactly?

8/20/2013 5:38:00 PM

apparently 2

8/20/2013 5:43:33 PM

Just these, but it was relevant to both threads.

8/20/2013 7:21:07 PM

what a dick

http://news.yahoo.com/lawyer-george-zimmerman-should-not-be-visiting-gun-factories-174609071.html

8/23/2013 4:07:08 PM

Quote :

" But Vincent acknowledged that the timing of the factory tour was not well planned, especially since Zimmerman has become a lightning rod in the debate on gun and self defense rights. “If you’re a public figure and you represent people’s opinion on those issues, then what you do in context is important for sure,” Vincent said."

He is a public figure who was found not guilty of the crime he was reluctantly accused of.

He toured a factory that builds tools that are legal to purchase and possess in the United States. A tool that may or may not have saved his life. There is nothing news worthy here. Quit letting the media dictate how you feel about shit.

8/23/2013 4:45:16 PM

he obviously has no remorse for the child he killed.

8/23/2013 4:46:41 PM

^^has nothing to do with the "media". Anyone with common sense wouldn't do this. Regardless of whether he legally killed Trayvon or not. It just shows an utter lack of decency.

8/23/2013 4:51:26 PM