^^^ Think of the children!

And the tornado analogy with the pre-existing condition was meant to dumb it down for you people. But I feel like the only thing getting dumber is me, as a result of trying to discuss healthcare in a leftist echo-chamber.

3/14/2017 7:33:49 PM

You're such an intellectual

Thanks for teaching us!

3/14/2017 7:36:41 PM

Thanks to JCE2011, who is totally an adult who's voter registration hasn't expired who lives in a house that he owns and not in a shitty college apartment with 2 roommates, I've learned that I'm wasting money on my homeowners insurance. I'm just going to wait until I need insurance to buy it because insurance is retroactive.

Thanks, this will save me so much money maybe I can afford to not be a leftist

3/14/2017 8:00:20 PM

It's not that I'm claiming to be smart, I'm just claiming you (the echo-chamber) to be dumb. That is all.

I don't try and argue much past common sense... in this situation it is the insurance business model, but apparently that is triggering to leftists who think a commodity is a human right because *the feels*

3/14/2017 8:02:08 PM

Yeah, the people who understand that insurance isn't retroactive are totally the dumb ones.

You should talk to the your roommates about getting renters insurance because you have to get that before you ne

[Edited on March 14, 2017 at 8:10 PM. Reason : But definitely don't update your voter registration, we don't need that ]

3/14/2017 8:09:36 PM

Insurance isn't retroactive = Deny based on pre-existing conditions

Not sure why you have difficulty with this, or why you think I have roommates and expired voter registration.

3/14/2017 8:24:00 PM

Your voter registration expired from inactivity and you live in an apartment with 2 other people. Also, you don't understand what pre-existing conditions are.

3/14/2017 8:34:14 PM

Pre-existing conditions include the "already got wrecked" health examples equivalent to a tornado destroying a home and then signing up for insurance to cover resulting treatment.

Not sure how I voted in 2016 then, or why my "apartment mates" haven't payed me rent, or where they are hiding.

[Edited on March 14, 2017 at 10:50 PM. Reason : I need troll insurance cause u trollin]

3/14/2017 10:47:55 PM

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"Pre-existing conditions include the "already got wrecked" health examples equivalent to a tornado destroying a home and then signing up for insurance to cover resulting treatment."

How does the tornado analogy work regarding those born with pre-existing conditions?

3/15/2017 12:32:05 AM

Keyword: include

Leftists love to point out to the most extreme, rare outliers to justify the majority of their nonsense (ie rape/incest in the abortion debate).

3/15/2017 1:47:27 AM

That doesn't answer the question, but it does demonstrate your aptitude for deflection when you are called on your bullshit.

3/15/2017 2:28:18 AM

Does JCE have a solution?

3/15/2017 7:11:56 AM

He's a contrarian. And probably thinks he is a lot smarter than he is.

But just like the GOP, he has had years to (rightfully in some respects) rail on the ACA while only having platitudes to throw out and not real solutions.

3/15/2017 7:44:40 AM

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"That doesn't answer the question, but it does demonstrate your aptitude for deflection when you are called on your bullshit."

I wasn't aware someone correcting someone when they misread a post was a "deflection"? I guess it was technically a "deflection"... a deflection from the straw man argument you were trying to create? Work on your reading comprehension please.

Like I said, leftists love to use an extreme, rare, outlier and try and use that "morality" to justify dictating a policy to the majority. The "what about children born with ______" argument is only relevant if leftists agreed to pass something that protected that separate scenario rather than a blanket protection on all pre-existing conditions.

[Edited on March 15, 2017 at 10:12 AM. Reason : .]

3/15/2017 10:11:44 AM

Quote :

"I wasn't aware someone correcting someone when they misread a post was a "deflection"? I guess it was technically a "deflection"... a deflection from the straw man argument you were trying to create? Work on your reading comprehension please."

Jesus Christ, dude, I was ASKING a question.

Any misperception on your part of me misreading or creating a straw man is a flaw in your own reading comprehension, dumbass.

Here it is again:

How does the tornado analogy work regarding those born with pre-existing conditions?

There is no straw man there. I am ASKING YOU A QUESTION. If you can't answer it just admit it, but stop with your bullshit deflection tactics you hack.

[Edited on March 15, 2017 at 10:35 AM. Reason : a]

3/15/2017 10:34:55 AM

You know, a straw man is when I answer the question for you, myself, then shoot holes in my presentation of your argument.

You just won't answer the question. That's different from a straw man, dumbass.

3/15/2017 10:37:18 AM

I never implied it does work with that extreme example. Your question suggests I did, that's why I'm critiquing your reading comprehension.

For the third time: referencing a rare/extreme scenario to push for broader policy is a shit tactic. It relies on an appeal to emotion to override rational thought. If this was about being "born with a pre-existing condition" then why are you lumping that in with the entire population.

3/15/2017 10:42:41 AM

If a tornado sucks up the microwave that Obama was using to spy on me, does it really count as spying if nobody can see or hear me?

3/15/2017 10:43:06 AM

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"Your question suggests I did, that's why I'm critiquing your reading comprehension. "

No, it was a question, period. Anything you read into it beyond that is a flaw in your own reading comprehension. And why do you continue to dodge that question?

The question is: Should those born with pre-existing conditions be ineligible for insurance? The context of the question (ie, tornado analogy) was quite secondary; it's still a relevant fucking question.

And let me also remind you: Pre ACA, insurance companies would sometimes DROP policy holders when they are hit with some malady. In your analogy, this is like a home owner buying tornado insurance, getting hit by a tornado, then the insurance company says, "Sorry, just playing! You're screwed!" This is also a relevant fucking point. And remember--This is not a straw man--It's YOUR fucking analogy!

And just how rare is being born with a pre-existing condition, really? A quick search of my own found nothing, but:

I had in mind that a decent part of the population is born with diabetes, for example. On looking around, apparently that's not quite the case, though quite a few develop it in childhood, so I consider that to be relevant in exactly the same way.

3/15/2017 10:57:27 AM

JCE doesn't have answers for anything. He just likes blaming SJW leftist echo-chamber liberal media hacks (a.k.a. George Soros) for the ills of the world. Complain, complain, complain, but no solutions or any ideas of substance. It always goes back to SJW leftist echo-chamber liberal media hacks because they are all-powerful or something to that effect.

3/15/2017 11:04:45 AM

Why are you all responding to him?

How about this. He just doesn't like it called insurance when it comes to pre-existing conditions. So let''s just rename it for him. Henceforth, insurance in this thread shall no longer be referred to as insurance. We will now call it "entitlement 12." And I do see his point. When you start covering pre-existing conditions, it is no longer insurance. So you shouldn't call it that. It's an entitlement. You're now entitled to some type of coverage due to something (in most cases) outside of your control. But you are getting an entitlement based on something that has already happened, not something that could happen in the future.

So just don't call it insurance and maybe he'll shut up.

And this is in no way shape or form an argument against coverage for pre-existing conditions.

3/15/2017 11:22:29 AM

Quote :

"Does JCE have a solution?"

Quote :

"JCE doesn't have answers for anything."

The ACA is a disaster. The democrats essentially drove the car off the cliff and now they get to point and laugh as the GOP shits themselves on the way down. So no, I don't have a magical solution to undo the damage resulting from 8 years of leftist policies that have left us with terrible debt and unsustainable socialist shit.

Either way, we wont even agree on what the problem is, so there is no way the 2 sides would agree on a solution if we disagree on what is/isn't a problem.

3/15/2017 11:28:23 AM

Was JCE buying insurance prior to the ACA?

Or were his parents paying for it?

3/15/2017 11:47:46 AM

...And it continues to refuse to answer the question. LOL

3/15/2017 11:48:12 AM

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"So no, I don't have a magical solution to undo the damage resulting from 8 years of leftist policies that have left us with terrible debt and unsustainable socialist shit."

Do you understand how inheriting massive wars, a catastrophic economy in desperate need of stimulus and (most uncontrollably) interest contribute to national debt?

That's not to say he and Democrats didn't contribute to it but you, as with almost everything, are showing such a complete lack of understanding here it's amazing.

** and of course by % W added more to national debt than Obama. As did Reagan.

[Edited on March 15, 2017 at 11:54 AM. Reason : It seriously even the GOP doesn't care about debt and deficits now]

3/15/2017 11:51:40 AM

...and he continues to just blame the democrats for everything. Even right after I said that's all he does.

and rjrumfel...seriously? "why are you all responding to him?" followed by "I can see where he's coming from" derp.

[Edited on March 15, 2017 at 11:59 AM. Reason : ]

3/15/2017 11:57:48 AM

yea yea that was a derp on my part.

But I do believe that if we're going to cover preexisting conditions, we shouldn't call it insurance. If you google the definition of insurance, you see the following:

Quote :

"a thing providing protection against a possible eventuality."

Preexisting conditions, especially those at birth, are obviously not a possible eventuality, they are the currently reality.

3/15/2017 12:02:54 PM

^ "don't respond to him hes dumb... but he's right"

^^ If by "everything" you mean the healthcare fiasco we have, then yes... because it is entirely your mess.

^^^ I'm not saying previous presidents didn't fuck up with debt either, but at least they didn't increase the debt AND force Americans into an unsustainable socialist redistribution of wealth that screwed small business and the middle class.


[Edited on March 15, 2017 at 12:07 PM. Reason : too many hacks to respond to]

3/15/2017 12:06:40 PM

^once again...the democrats did it. one-trick pony.



[Edited on March 15, 2017 at 12:08 PM. Reason : lemme guess...your next post will be about the democrats/liberals/SJWs]

3/15/2017 12:07:26 PM

You're right, a federal statute created, passed and forced on people by democrats, and the disastrous results of it, is somehow not the fault of democrats.

3/15/2017 12:14:35 PM

JCE def did not pay for insurance before 2007.

3/15/2017 12:18:31 PM

JCE2011 is such a whattaboutist and contrarianist

3/15/2017 12:34:09 PM

I guess it seems contrarian when a post disagrees with the leftist echo-chamber of TWW

3/15/2017 1:29:30 PM

all you can do is call people _______ist

3/15/2017 1:43:51 PM

Has JCE ever purchased insurance?????

3/15/2017 1:56:25 PM

The JCE2011 Box

3/15/2017 1:58:50 PM

^^ JCE2011 said that he declined insurance because he doesn't make enough money to qualify for subsidies, he is in the medicaid gap

3/15/2017 2:09:07 PM

So he can't afford insurance at the normal price?

So he's poor? Bc if you a boss a couple hundo a month ain't shit.

3/15/2017 2:45:23 PM

allegedly

[Edited on March 15, 2017 at 3:14 PM. Reason : .]

3/15/2017 3:13:58 PM

Quote :

"If by "everything" you mean the healthcare fiasco we have, then yes... because it is entirely your mess."

Are you seriously suggesting that, pre ACA, healthcare was a problem-less wonderland? Because that certainly seems to be what you are implying.

Here's a fucking hint: Healthcare was a clusterfuck before ACA was ever introduced; many of the problems you claim to be "entirely your mess" actually predate ACA by fucking decades and can therefore not be blamed on ACA.

You dumbass hack.

3/15/2017 3:20:55 PM

Dude is in his 20's and never bought insurance.

3/15/2017 3:28:55 PM

not sure what he means by "my" mess. but the democrat-blaming continues. nothing really to contribute otherwise.

3/15/2017 3:55:12 PM

Lots of triggered leftist hacks ITT, I may have set a new record.

Yes, the healthcare shit show is the democrat's fault, because even with a flawed clusterfuck before the ACA, at least you weren't forcing people into a shitty, unsustainable, socialist panzi scheme.

Even with an unconstitutional mandate, you still couldn't lower premiums, probably because if you can't deny based on pre-existing conditions IT ISNT INSURANCE. Meaning as rmflml said it is an entitlement, funded by a redistribution of wealth that productive Americans simply don't want. The ACA was dogshit, to such an extent that Donald Fucking Trump is #YesYourPresident

3/15/2017 5:39:42 PM

That's weak trolling

3/15/2017 6:16:35 PM

Quote :

"because even with a flawed clusterfuck before the ACA, at least you weren't forcing people into a shitty, unsustainable, socialist panzi scheme."

No, we were letting people voluntarily shovel money into worthless plans that would drop the insured once a real, serious illness came along...AKA The Good Old Days. LOL

So how would YOU have fixed things pre ACA, dumbass?








(...silence...)








Let's face it--You're a goddamn backseat driver hack who feels entitled to bitch about others' proposed solutions to problems while completely lacking the cojones to propose any solutions of your own, knowing that you don't have anywhere near the competence to qualify for any task beyond mere whining and bitching.

3/15/2017 9:07:20 PM

Quote :

"JCE2011 said that he declined insurance because he doesn't make enough money to qualify for subsidies, he is in the medicaid gap"

If that's the case he has a right to be angry. People in that demographic have been left behind by various policies, largely thanks to the GOP. They don't have enough skills to get a good job, are perpetually underemployed, don't have the political clout or stability of the wealthy, don't have the urgency of the poor.

If you were in his shoes you'd cling to the only group that you were a part of that was fully enfranchised, which is "white people."

When democrats are inept at addressing inequality and this is not even on the republican radar, ethnonstionalism might seem like a good idea.

3/15/2017 10:03:04 PM

^ I just assumed that was an alternative fact.

JCEBot isn't programmed to provide answers or personal facts.

3/15/2017 11:11:17 PM

^^ Conservatives care about equality of opportunity, you leftists have devolved into full-blown Marxist equality of outcome.

Also- If I was poor I would love the ACA. Not sure why you leftist hacks think I'm uninsured, not registered to vote, have roommates, believe in a fluoride conspiracy theory, or whatever other made up personal shit you keep trying to deflect to. I'm guessing the ACA is just a softspot for a lot of you, because you know it doesn't work.

3/15/2017 11:28:21 PM

Quote :

"So how would YOU have fixed things pre ACA, dumbass? (...silence...) "

What'd I say? So fucking predictable. LOL

3/16/2017 1:36:56 AM

Quote :

"Conservatives care about equality of opportunity,"

Reposted for the laff factor.

3/16/2017 6:24:46 AM