If Peyton had mistakenly shot the cop through the door he would be facing life in prison.

7/11/2007 12:45:54 PM

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
I wonder if anyone's going to investigate all the cop shootings more, like Cold Case

7/11/2007 12:48:18 PM

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"Using Seedless' logic, anyone who has ever broken the law should may have to face the police that have their weapons drawn and if circumstances permit you could mistakenly be shot and killed. I think the cop who shot Peyton ( hey, that's breaking the law!) should be killed first. had an appropriate reaction"

have you ever thought about what it feels like to be a cop and face criminal and violence as your job?

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 1:01 PM. Reason : /]

7/11/2007 12:52:59 PM

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" have you ever thought about what it feels like to be a cop and face criminal and violence as your job?"

No.

But I watch enough Dallas Swat to know that protocol allows for cops to order the suspect outside the house in the event they think he is armed, unstable, and likely to shoot at them.

7/11/2007 12:58:37 PM

are they likely to shoot at anybody, or just people that have circumstances surrounding the case that likely warrants aggressive police reactions?

7/11/2007 1:00:43 PM

huh?

7/11/2007 1:02:54 PM

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"have you ever thought about what it feels like to be a cop and face criminal and violence as your job?"

dude thats part of the fucking job, and if you can't handle that then don't be a cop. its that simple. if you cant handle the fact that criminal violence will be surrounding you constantly and that you'll have to be calm in the presence of it then you shouldn't subject yourself to that risk by being a cop. however, if you're accepting that risk then you're also accepting the responsibility of what comes along with it, as well as potential death.

also if they really were going in there with the mindset that aggressive police actions were warranted then they would have surrounded the house on all sides, gassed the house, and made sure there was low chance for combat. they have protocols they use for that kind of thing, and while this may be to your surprise, they do not involve shooting through front doors.

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 1:27 PM. Reason : also]

7/11/2007 1:25:16 PM

I see that Seedless augmented my original quote pretty drastically, but it ended up making absolutely no sense. I need to post this again:

Using Seedless' logic, anyone who has ever broken the law should be shot and killed.

I think the cop who shot Peyton ( hey, that's breaking the law!) should be killed first.

7/11/2007 1:47:05 PM

you two guys have an argument system comparable to that of a 10 year-old's

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"however, if you're accepting that risk then you're also accepting the responsibility of what comes along with it, as well as potential death."

BINGO

now use reverse logic will you already

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 2:11 PM. Reason : asdfa]

7/11/2007 2:09:11 PM

that was written like a 10 year old

7/11/2007 2:11:34 PM

ok i made typos, i fixed them.

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"that was written like a 10 year old"

this IS the grammar OF a 10 year-old

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 2:12 PM. Reason : sdfg]

7/11/2007 2:11:57 PM

FYI...in case you all missed it in the previous pages, the "MySpace pictures" were Facebook pictures (no big deal on the mix-up), BUT Peyton was NOT in any of them. They were pictures on Ryan Mills' Facebook page of RYAN (one of the other suspects in the case) and some of his friends, not including Peyton. Furthermore, the New Hanover County Sherrif's office used these pictures to conlude that they needed to agressively serve this warrant to PEYTON at PEYTON's residence, even though Ryan Mills did not live in the same residence as Peyton. Just wanted to clear that up.

7/11/2007 2:19:54 PM

surprisingly we know this

my point is that the company you keep can tell a lot about you, so if you have around people with banishing assault weapons, and you are on record for an armed robbery, what would you expect?

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 2:22 PM. Reason : asdfa]

7/11/2007 2:21:59 PM

whoa

I know a Ryan Mills

but he lives in Connecticut.

7/11/2007 2:22:59 PM

You're right...the company you keep CAN tell a lot about you. And I know a lot of the company that he kept, who happen to be wonderful people with no criminal records. But I don't see anyone mentioning what THAT company says about him. I don't know anything about Ryan Mills, so I will not speak about his character, but I can tell you that most of the people he knew were great people.

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 2:27 PM. Reason : ...]

7/11/2007 2:25:31 PM

because the people pic are who had weapons like he did during his armed robbery, thats why.

7/11/2007 2:26:48 PM

Ummm...according to the police reports, there were no guns involved in the alleged armed robbery. Get your facts straight.

7/11/2007 2:28:06 PM

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"because the people pic are who had weapons like he did during his armed robbery, thats why."

When did he commit an armed robbery?

7/11/2007 2:28:18 PM

how was it a robbery then?

7/11/2007 2:28:30 PM

According to the police reports, there was some sort of blunt object involved, not a gun. That doesn't make it much better, if it did indeed happen, but you need to make sure that you have the correct facts before drawing assumptions like the one you just did.

7/11/2007 2:30:22 PM

lets just stop kidding ourselves here. he robbed, took, or whatever, two ps3s, and as a result, whether intentional or not, he got shot and killed. he brought it to himself no matter how you slice it. i rest my case. anybody who wants to 'win' this thread go right ahead, and call me stupid and anything that you can think of, but this fact remains: the police did not just show up at his door for no reason with weapons drawn, his actions brought them there, and thats that.

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 2:33 PM. Reason : sdfg]

7/11/2007 2:31:27 PM

any weapon(thing) in hand constitutes an armed robbery fyi

7/11/2007 2:32:08 PM

'nuf said

7/11/2007 2:33:56 PM

^^^Yes, let's stop kidding ourselves. It has never been, and now, unfortunately will never be proven that he participated in said robbery. That's what the search warrant was for. To search for evidence that they could bring before a judge and jury to decide his guilt or innocence. That's how our judicial system works. The only thing that was proven in this case is that there was reason to believe that he MAY have participated.

^^Yes. And that is why it has been referred to as armed robbery this entire time. However you stated that he used weapons like those in the picture, which is false.

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 2:37 PM. Reason : ...]

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 2:37 PM. Reason : ^]

7/11/2007 2:36:02 PM

thx for the primer on the judicial system. i will duly make note of it!

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 2:38 PM. Reason : sdfg]

7/11/2007 2:38:06 PM

seedless is obviously just playing devils advocate here. no one would be dumb enough to continue to back up this point and actually mean it.

7/11/2007 2:39:06 PM

It appeared as though you needed a refresher.

7/11/2007 2:39:43 PM

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"any weapon(thing) in hand constitutes an armed robbery fyi"

Wrong. Robbery with a firearm or other weapon that can endanger a person's life is a Class D felony. Other types of strongarm robberies are considered a Class G felony.

A six inch blunt object is not going to qualify you for the Class D so it is incorrect and misleading for you to refer to this as an armed robbery.

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"thx for the primer on the judicial system. i will duly make note of it!"

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 2:41 PM. Reason : s]

7/11/2007 2:40:35 PM

no matter if you are right or i am right another three facts still to reiterated: he was considered dangerous, he got killed (not that he deserved it and i am for it), and the police man walked.

have a good day!

7/11/2007 2:41:18 PM

^^ you are out of your mind if you think you know what you are talking about. haha, so if i robbed you with a hammer, that hammer would not endanger your life? hahah gimmie a break, you are killing me over here.

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 2:43 PM. Reason : asdfg]

7/11/2007 2:42:58 PM

^ That has nothing to do with the topic at hand. If Peyton had robbed that dude with a hammer then we could argue about the hammer scenario.

7/11/2007 2:47:54 PM

again it all goes back this: his actions brought them there, this status as being dangerous suggested to law enforcement to approach with weapons drawn, the police made an honest mistake and peyton paid the ultimate price. i respect the jurors decision not to indict him.

7/11/2007 2:50:20 PM

I can handle that as long as you're comfortable with spewing inaccuracies with the utmost confidence.

7/11/2007 2:52:54 PM

well maybe i did made mistakes asserting his having 'weapons' or whatever, so i am comfortable with that.

7/11/2007 2:54:32 PM

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"my point is that the company you keep can tell a lot about you, so if you have around people with banishing assault weapons, and you are on record for an armed robbery, what would you expect? "

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"he got killed (not that he deserved it and i am for it), "

that should be "or", i think

[/grammar ninja]

7/11/2007 3:50:57 PM

NO Charges filed. Off the hook.

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"WILMINGTON -- A grand jury has come back with a decision in the case against a former New Hanover County Sheriff's Deputy. Jurors have decided against an indictment for Chris Long. He is the deputy who shot and killed 18-year-old Peyton Strickland last December while serving a warrant. The NC Attorney General's Office had pushed for a manslaughter indictment. The Strickland family released this statement Wednesday: Our unarmed 18-year-old son Peyton was killed when Chris Long, a deputy sheriff, fired three bullets from a submachine gun through the front door of Peyton's house while he was answering the unlocked door. The failure of the grand jury to indict Long on any charge compounds our family's tragedy. "

7/12/2007 8:44:48 AM

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"that should be "or", i think"

nor.

7/12/2007 9:10:35 AM

foiled by the blue wall of silence

[Edited on July 12, 2007 at 9:13 AM. Reason : stop snitching]

7/12/2007 9:13:11 AM

Wonder how the guy who was beaten and mugged by peyton for his ps3 feels about all this. I have to say if someone died because of a series of events that robbing me kicked off, I'd probably feel like the universe had my back.

7/12/2007 9:21:44 AM

yeah, that ninja gaiden game looks pretty good for ps3 too. sure hes stoked about that.

7/12/2007 9:23:45 AM

Seriously though, imagine someone busts your nose and jacks your car and you hear in the paper the next day that they are crushed to death while working under the car due to their jack breaking or some such freak accident. It's like when I was hit and sent off the highway by a drunk driver, then the cops told me he flipped and broke his neck 4 miles down the road. It almost makes you believe in karma. Too bad basing a belief off anecdotes would be silly.

7/12/2007 9:27:09 AM

^^ HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

7/12/2007 9:28:04 AM

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"It's like when I was hit and sent off the highway by a drunk driver, then the cops told me he flipped and broke his neck 4 miles down the road. It almost makes you believe in karma. Too bad basing a belief off anecdotes would be silly."

7/12/2007 10:21:31 AM

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"Christopher Long, the deputy who shot Strickland, carried a .45-caliber submachine gun, a .45-caliber pistol, two extra pistol magazines, two extra sub gun magazines, a gas mask, a knife and a flash bang grenade, according to court records. Long fired through the front door after mistaking the sound of a battering ram hitting the door for the blast of a gun. "If I had even thought once that [the photo] could be misconstrued, or even worse, used against me or my friends by the people who are supposed to be protecting human life, I would have removed them," Mills said Friday, speaking publicly about the photo for the first time. Two years ago, Mills tried out his new digital camera by snapping pictures of himself and his buddies posing with a friend's gun collection. They spent the day target shooting, then goofed around at the licensed gun owner's house in Pittsboro, posing like tough guys with the unloaded rifles and handguns. In the photos, Mills is smirking; another friend is grinning. Mills thought the photos were cool and posted a few to his Facebook profile. They joined a collage of pictures of college parties and beach trips. An affidavit by Long filed as part of the grand jury proceedings last week shows just how much stock police put in Mills' Facebook photo. Long said the mission that night was expected to be "extraordinarily dangerous." He described Mills' photo as "intimidating" and "hostile." Long's team, he said in the affidavit, had been briefed that the "AR-15 firearms that we had seen in the photos and which were believed to be in the residence were capable of penetrating our body armor." Mills said he can't believe officers made such a leap. "Anyone looking closely at the facial expressions in the photo can tell it is just guys goofing on the guns," Mills said. It is not clear why officers thought those guns would be in Strickland's house. Strickland is not in the photo. Mills did not live with Strickland. He lived in a townhouse three miles away; the address appeared in a campus directory. Police found nothing but an unloaded hunting rifle and shotgun in Strickland's room at the other end of his house, said his father, Don Strickland of Durham. Peyton Strickland was a licensed hunter."

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"According to a UNC-Wilmington police report about the PlayStation robbery, Justin Raines, the victim, "did not have any visible injuries and Raines refused to call for EMS. Raines states that there were little bumps on his head and he was OK." Raines is calm and casual in his call to 911 after the incident. Raines tells the dispatcher, "I'm fine. They hit me in the head quite a few times. I don't need an ambulance." "

7/15/2007 2:21:56 PM

^if I just got robbed for over a thousand dollars worth of electronic equipment, I wouldn't want to be shelling out another hundred dollars on an ambulance ride that wasn't necessary.

7/15/2007 5:26:54 PM

remember when the cops murdered some dude that stole a ps3?

8/31/2007 6:52:14 PM

and no one was ever held responsible?

8/31/2007 6:57:04 PM

nice shot, officer doofy

8/31/2007 6:59:20 PM

ttt

11/18/2007 1:08:46 PM

those cops set em up

11/18/2007 1:23:39 PM