I love the fact there is one dude defending the PS3 in one PS3 thread, whereas there are about two dozen Wii users in two Wii threads and another two dozen 360 users in two 360 threads.

I can't say I hate the PS3; hell, I'll buy one after a price drop , people start dumping their consoles on eBay for less than market or a good number of decent exclusives hit the shelves. But until then, I'll read about the games and play the NBA demo at the kiosks.

It's a decent system, but if price is an issue for an HD system, I'd roll 360 100 percent -- especially right now. There are just not enough exclusive titles that draw my attention. I admit "Resistance" looks sweet, but I can wait to grab that when the next "Gran Turismo" (not the cop-out "Gran Turismo HD") hits the market. Then I'll look seriously if the price is worth it.


[Edited on February 13, 2007 at 11:00 PM. Reason : P8]

2/13/2007 11:00:09 PM

2/14/2007 12:14:30 AM

I seriously doubt the price drops any time soon.

Probably for at least a year.

2/14/2007 12:29:34 AM

umm id buy a ps3 if there was some games worth buying it for...right now theres nothing in the immediate future and almost everything that is out for it or coming out is going to be on 360 too...

2/14/2007 9:16:56 AM

^MLB 07 the Show sounds really good for PS3 but there havnt been any screenshots for it yet. Comes out April 3rd.

2/14/2007 9:26:36 AM

^^^ Analysts are predicting a price drop ($100) by the end of '07; probably with the launch of a flagship game. If you look at the PS3 release schedule, GT5 could hit shelves in Q4. Also, there may be an even bigger price drop by '09. Sony will no longer be making the cell processors first-hand, and they are getting smaller. So by '09, look for a smaller version of the PS3 with an even smaller pricetag as they mass produce the cells.

Sources:
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=15103
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=15122
http://beyond3d.com/#news38360
http://tinyurl.com/27hf4r

[Edited on February 14, 2007 at 5:46 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 12:32 PM. Reason : asdf]

2/14/2007 5:45:20 PM

i can't wait for motostorm and lair

2/14/2007 6:09:22 PM

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/02/15/one-ps3-store-display-hides-a-terrible-secret/

hahaha

2/15/2007 4:50:28 PM

2/16/2007 12:11:40 AM

flOw is being released tomorrow on PSN. I will probably pick it up, IGN gave it a 7.6.

2/21/2007 11:14:27 PM

Upcoming Releases:

Major League Baseball 2K7 - Feb 26
Go! Puzzle - Feb 26 PSN
Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection - Feb 26 PSN
F1 Championship Racing - Feb 27
College Hoops 2K7 - March 5
Def Jam Icon - March 6
Motorstorm - March 6
NBA Street Homecourt - March 6
Calling All Cars - March 12 PSN
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - March 13
F.E.A.R. - March 13
Armored Core 4 - March 20
The Godfather: The Don's Edition - March 20
Rainbow Six: Vegas - March 20
Virtua Tennis 3 - March 20
Splinter Cell: Double Agent- March 27
Enchanted Arms - March 27

I will be picking up Calling All Cars and Motorstorm for sure, probably others.

[Edited on February 25, 2007 at 11:03 PM. Reason : .]

2/25/2007 11:01:13 PM

Can't wait for Motorstorm. Its looking like its going to be really fun to play, especially online. I'm picking up Oblivion as well since I never played it on any other console and heard it really was a super fun game. I'm not really into rpgs, but I thnk it will be fun to just have a game that I can play on and off and have it last me like a year.

I'll probably check out Calling All Cars too as that looks like a pretty fun multiplayer game. Reminds me a little of how GTA2 was, and that game was so fun to play multiplayer.

2/26/2007 9:56:07 AM

^ Have you played the Motorstorm demo? I used to just think it was just pretty good until I saw that you could steer with the sixaxis. It made the game so much more fun and is definitely a must pick up now. Plus all of the reviews so far on IGN have said it is one of the most fun racing games ever.

In other news you can preorder a PS3 with Linux on it:
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7863481537.html

2/26/2007 10:14:37 AM

Yeah I've played the demo and its really fun. If the game plays exactly like that with good online play (no lag) then the game is going to be just fine for me.

From what I've seen though it looks like it is going to be graphically better in many ways, so I'm pumped.

2/26/2007 2:51:06 PM

2/26/2007 2:55:22 PM

This is a week or so old, but it wasn't in this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R98qC0fd_1w

Someone embed

2/27/2007 12:19:33 AM

I think this whole "fanboy" thing and the "console war" is just about the most lame thing I have ever heard of. I can't believe people get up an arms about their console of choice and talk trash, go on you tube, etc.

2/27/2007 10:11:48 AM

i find the whole thing funny...

wii is beating both into the ground so far....

that said, ill be waiting till gt5 comes out and/or price drop.... not gonna spend $600 on a video game console...

2/27/2007 10:16:57 AM

There are some good games on the way for sure (NBA street, MotorStorm, Lair, Calling All Cars), which is a relief.

What I'm most excited about, though, is the promised firmware update (due on or around the Euro Launch: 3/23).

It is going to add all the things that should've been included at launch: multitasking, download queues, download resumes, integrated audio + video chat, PSP remote access via Wifi (the megaton feature) and hopefully they'll iron out a few other things while they're at it (like 720p Blu-Ray playback, please).

I've also read some interviews where they give a glimpse of future plans, and they talked about a firmware update slated for fall that will add tivo-like functionality to the PS3. That combined with the PSP wifi connectivity =

2/27/2007 11:36:37 AM

sigh, it's not just $600 for a video game console - it also gets the Blu-Ray player. So an xbox guys says you can get HD-DVD for the xbox? Fine, pay $600 bucks for a premium system and a HD-DVD and then tack on another $100 for wifi. Oh, and the xbox won't actually have games on HD-DVD, just movies. They still can only make games on DVD-sized disks.

Anyway, flOw is amazing to play...it's trance-like and with the sixaxis control is pretty damn sweet. The drought for PS3 games ends this month and it looks like a lot of good stuff is on the horizon.

2/27/2007 11:42:09 AM

Quote :

"i can't wait for motostorm and lair"

[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 11:44 AM. Reason : i'm still trying to decide on flOw]

2/27/2007 11:44:38 AM

^ You should definitely pick it up. It is only $8. It is not an epic game that will keep you playing for weeks on end but it is worth buying if only because it is such a unique game play experience. I really enjoyed playing through the single player and also playing the multiplayer with friends. If you have noticed the difference in enjoyment in playing Motorstorm with the analog stick verses sixaxis, it takes the fun of sixaxis to another level.

Also, I am starting to get more and more anxious for Lair. If they pull off flight with the sixaxis right I think the game will be amazing. The screenshots look great http://www.ultimagame.com/play_station_3/lair/galeriafotos_j1338_0.html

[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 12:00 PM. Reason : .]

2/27/2007 11:55:47 AM

Quote :

"xbox won't actually have games on HD-DVD"

and which ps3 games are on blueray? (not trying to troll, just curious what % of them are)

[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 2:39 PM. Reason : a]

2/27/2007 2:35:06 PM

All the PS3 games are on bluray. Well, all of them that actually come on a disc at least. Games you download obviously aren't on any kind of disc.

Lair is starting to intrigue me some, but I'm just excited as hell right now about Motorstorm so I haven't really thought about it. I think I'll pick up Tekken DR on Thursday as well just to have a good cheap fighter on the system. its supposed to be identical in gameplay to the arcade, so that should be hot, plus 1080p support.

I'm going to have more than enough games to deal with for a good while starting this week.

[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 2:45 PM. Reason : .]

2/27/2007 2:42:47 PM

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070221-8896.html

Pretty interesting read I came across a couple weeks ago. The long and short of it is Sony spent tons of money to help develop processor for the PS3 that really isn't ideal for video games. Woops.

2/27/2007 2:54:52 PM

i'm pretty sure that i saw some ps3 games that had different packaging than most games to show that they were blu ray. maybe i was mistaken...

2/27/2007 2:56:05 PM

nope, all PS3 games are on blu-ray

as for that article

Quote :

"It remains to be seen if the amount of work that it will take to really get the extra mileage out of Cell will pay off with such a relatively small installed base of PS3s."

jesus christ, the console is only 3 months old - it's pretty much on par with sales as the xbox was after 3 months, and those are just US sales figures. that install base is about to grow a good bit with the euro launch.

[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 3:05 PM. Reason : .]

2/27/2007 3:02:39 PM

Quote :

"and which ps3 games are on blueray?"

A better question would have been...

and which ps3 games necessitate being on a blueray as opposed to a standard dvd?

2/27/2007 3:09:22 PM

^^About that Euro launch.....

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070223-8912.html

Basically they took out the PS2 Emotion Engine.

2/27/2007 3:16:01 PM

^^

Quote :

"Phil Harrison, corporate executive and representative director of Sony Computer Entertainment spoke with Gamesindustry.biz recently about how developers are already using a full 25GB Blu-ray disc for their games. "Already, at our launch titles, we're getting up close to the 25GB limit that we have on our Blu-ray discs this year...Next year we'll raise that to 50GB, and I'd expect that we’ll be getting close to that in the fairly near future as well," he explained. When asked about the non-interactive HD movies some developers are implementing and how that may be the reason for the high storage usage, Harrison added, "It's not just about graphics...It's about 7.1 audio, it's about speech, it’s about having up to 1080p movies built into the game; it's high res textures, it's animation, it's everything that goes into making a very rich and varied next-gen experience."

I know that Resistance used 22 GBs and the last number I saw for Motorstorm was 19 GBs ... This is compressed data too because the cell can decompress faster than it processes data.

^

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3157529#
http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/feb2007/id20070227_333399.htm?chan=innovation_game+room_top+stories

v You mean the european launch that is already breaking records for pre-orders of a console?

[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 3:32 PM. Reason : .]

2/27/2007 3:16:46 PM

i don't see the European launch going well.

2/27/2007 3:19:31 PM

^^interesting.

I was reading an article in one of these threads that was pretty ridiculous. It claimed that games didn't need to be on bluray/hd-dvd disks because there were already games out on the regular DVD format that were plenty long (oblivion for example). They were pretty much equating game file size with game length. The larger the file, the longer the game.

2/27/2007 3:29:54 PM

Quote :

"If you guys are going to come in here and troll at least post new information and not the same stuff we have all seen in the news a dozen times. "

I'm not trolling anyone. I was posting news relavent to the PS3, not penny arcade comics or pictures with George Forman. Those articles you posted offered no new information and one of them was an opinion piece. The face of the matter is that Sony's profits last quarter were shit, and they are removing hardware features off the PS3 to make it cheaper to produce in order to save money.

2/27/2007 3:34:01 PM

new technology costs money, give them time

it's not like they slapped an old console into a new shell and bandaged on a gimmicky new controller and can make pure profit now

2/27/2007 3:39:53 PM

I have read that Sony had stated plans to remove this hardware BC as far back as July 2006. As of right now, it is too early to say what type of effect it is going to have on supporting PS2 games on the European machines and how this will alter the European launch.

Sony's eventual plan is to completely switch over to software BC for all manufactured PS3s so I would imagine that future firmware will provide BC for almost all PS2 titles if there are some that are not supported come European launch.

[Edited on February 27, 2007 at 3:56 PM. Reason : .]

2/27/2007 3:41:36 PM

so far Sony has said no price cuts for at least 2 years. Already an Xbox 360 price cut is heavily rumored as well as the wii dropping 50 bucks to 199. This is going to hurt Sony.

Also, the European launch, while it may have a high number of preorders..think about how many times its been delayed. Also games will cost 59.99 euros which is around 80 bucks US. Thats steep.

2/27/2007 3:45:15 PM

man i hope barbie horse adventure is covered

2/27/2007 3:45:18 PM

As a side note, the more I read about the PS3, the more impressed I am by the overall package it offers and it's potential. If it just had some damn games I'd probably buy one

2/27/2007 3:46:12 PM

seems like wii's would actually have to show up in stores consistently before nintendo even gets close to considering a price cut. Why cut to 199 when you are selling out at 249, and people are willin to pay 375?

2/27/2007 4:05:33 PM

I missed this quote accidentally earlier:

Quote :

"Also games will cost 59.99 euros which is around 80 bucks US. Thats steep."

What Sony has announced for sure is the pricing of their first party games: they'll retail for EUR 59.99/GBP 39.99. Games are expensive wherever you go, but this move puts PS3 titles at a lower price than 360 games. The titles for Microsoft's new system are retailing for GBP 49.99.
-On numerous sites including http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/2/26/7222

2/27/2007 4:58:18 PM

Quote :

"it's not like they slapped an old console into a new shell and bandaged on a gimmicky new controller and can make pure profit now"

Yeah, its like they threw a whole ton of high tech crap in there regardless of how complicated it makes it to develop a game and then told developers "Tough shit".

2/27/2007 5:31:52 PM

someone make a Wii emulator for Linux, give me a reason to install it on my PS3

2/27/2007 7:45:07 PM

Updated release dates from EB games sheet
(http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6818/ps3dq2eh5.jpg):

Go! Puzzle - March 1 PSN
Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection - March 1 PSN
College Hoops 2K7 - March 5
Def Jam Icon - March 6
Motorstorm - March 6
NBA Street Homecourt - March 6
F.E.A.R. - March 13
Calling All Cars - March 15 PSN
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - March 20
Armored Core 4 - March 20
The Godfather: The Don's Edition - March 20
Rainbow Six: Vegas - March 20
Virtua Tennis 3 - March 20
Splinter Cell: Double Agent- March 27
Enchanted Arms - March 27

There has been no official announcement but many people expect a MLB 2K7 demo to be released on PSN March 1 as well.

Also some other PSN news:

http://www.station.sony.com/ps3downloads/mk/index.vm?game=mk&page=Overview
Mortal Kombat 2 arrives sometime in March for $4.99 and supports head-to-head online play for two players.

get over here

http://criminalcrackdown.blogspot.com/2007/02/calling-all-cars-soundtrack.html
The price for Calling All Cars was announced by David Jaffe as $9.99. He also posted most of the soundtrack to the game online.

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 2:02 AM. Reason : ,]

2/28/2007 1:41:59 AM

http://www.innerbits.com/blog/2007/02/27/ps3-online-background-downloading-the-sony-way/
The latest rumor about background downloading in the 1.60 update is that it will only be within XMB and the download will pause as soon as you enter a game. It is unconfirmed but could be very likely that it is true.

Also there was a small update to the firmware last night:

Quote :

"System software version 1.54 includes the following new and revised features: * The image of the person you are chatting with during video chat can now be changed to match the screen size. * You can now use a USB camera compatible with USB video class (UVC) for video chat."

2/28/2007 10:45:31 AM

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4801&Itemid=2
Somewhat old but this is a really positive interview with High Moon Studios' (Darkwatch) technical boss Clinton Keith discussing the future of the cell.

Quote :

"Once those complexities are unwound, how dramatically will the PS3 development environment change? This is what we’re looking forward to that in eight years down the road, as Sony said they want this machine to be around for the remainder of the decade… Right now, the games you’re seeing come out are using engines that are more in the traditional way of creating games, which is that your engine architecture has access to all the other parts of the engine itself. With the PlayStation 3, we’re going to have to figure out how to divide up these things up so that they’re much more separate. [We’ll have to] explore things such as "procedural synthesis," which really has exciting potential on the PS3. Rather than creating all these environments and all these behaviors by hand, now we’ve got a lot of this power, [so] we can come up with ways that the processor can create environments and create artificial intelligence rules that kind of emerge with gameplay and adjust to the gamers' input, so we can have a lot more variety. That could interest somebody with the concerns of the rising cost of development."

2/28/2007 1:09:02 PM

^^more or less the same with Xbox 360. It pauses your download anytime Xbox live is accessed, which in a lot games happens as soon as the game is booted.

Not really an issue for me as long as I can queue up downloads and auto-resume.

2/28/2007 1:22:15 PM

Newsweek has done a really interesting set of interviews with Phil Harrison about the current state of the PS3 and its future. I always enjoy hearing his views and I am glad he is taking more of a public front now since he seems to be the best public face for the PS3.

Loot: The Phil Harrison Interview, Part I
http://ncroal.talk.newsweek.com/default.asp?item=506839
Part II
http://ncroal.talk.newsweek.com/default.asp?item=508501
Part III
http://ncroal.talk.newsweek.com/default.asp?item=509750

Some highlights:

Quote :

"We're going to release additional content for Resistance. I don't think we've gone into detail on the schedule, but we have some really, really cool things that will be extending the story, extending the locations, some brand new content, starting in April. So if that works well and is well-received by the audience, then that will keep the engagement with game going between now and should there be a sequel at some point in the future."

Quote :

"Past MotorStorm, what would you point to that's going to blow the roof off? From our own studios, Warhawk, Lair, Heavenly Sword, the Naughty Dog game--the game with no name, at least not officially. I think those individually and collectively are going to resonate with gamers around the world, of a lot of obvious reasons. From third parties, I'm less qualified to comment, because I just don't have the exposure, but definitely Metal Gear Solid 4, definitely Final Fantasy XIII, I'm hearing about some interesting things from Sega-- The reviews for Virtua Fighter 5 have been great. Right. So I think everybody just needs to relax. It's okay. It's okay."

Quote :

"We are under no illusions as to the complexity of the challenge. I think what you've touched upon is actually the thing that we wrestle with internally. Our engineers in Japan are unrivaled in their ability. I have unbelievable respect for what they have pulled off from a hardware point of view, a software point view, an operating system point of view, how robust the machine is. I'm sure a lot of people had already written the story about PS3s being returned for some hardware problem. There is no hardware problem. So I'm sure a lot of people were like, "Damn!" [Laughs.] I'm sure there were some people in Redmond saying that. Right. The fact that the Playstation 3 experience, which is exponentially more complicated than a PS2 or a PS1, works, does what it says, every time, efficiently, effectively--it's a fantastic achievement."

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 7:12 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2007 7:11:25 PM

Sony expects to resolve PS3 shortages by May
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070228/tc_nm/sony_playstation3_dc_2

ahahahahahhahahaha SHORTAGES

2/28/2007 9:47:05 PM

^ Although some stores do have PS3s sitting around, there are just as many that are still out of them. The last time I went to Best Buy in Crossroads (~2 weeks ago) there were none in stock and the employee said they are still going in and out of stock as shipments come in.

IGN reviewed MotorStorm today and gave it a 8.9
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/768/768820p1.html

Quote :

"Really, there are very, very few racing titles (or even games in general) around that deliver as engaging an experience as MotorStorm. There's really no better way to put it than that."

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 9:56 PM. Reason : .]

2/28/2007 9:55:08 PM

^^

Quote :

"Our goal is to fill shelves across the United States. Our goal is not to have empty shelves, it's to have full shelves."

I think that is a reasonable goal. lol

3/1/2007 9:00:10 AM