lowe year 1 = herb year 1
lowe year 2 = herb year 2

lowe year 1 players >> herb year 1 players
lowe year 2 players >> herb year 2 players

[Edited on December 8, 2007 at 9:35 PM. Reason : .]

12/8/2007 9:35:20 PM

I think the issue is that Lowe learned coaching from an NBA perspective. Sitting back letting people score will not win you games in college ball. And letting people play when they suck wont win them either.

Coster belongs on the bench until he can prove himself worth something. We should be playing hickson, fells, gavin, degant, and ben/tracy most of the time right now, in my opinion.

12/8/2007 9:35:29 PM

last year the offense looked really good. they got tired, but the offense was potent.

this year every team puts 3 guys in the paint and we pass it around the outside until we turn it over.

[Edited on December 8, 2007 at 9:36 PM. Reason : asdkl;]

12/8/2007 9:36:43 PM

I would say that lowe should pull some kind of stunt like pull all the starters from the next game to send a message, but lowe needs to hear a couple of messages of his own.


His defensive scheme is a joke


FWIW,

grant
javi
degand
smith
hickson



[Edited on December 8, 2007 at 9:56 PM. Reason : Way more foot speed at the 1,2, and 4 positions]

12/8/2007 9:52:26 PM

yea that is all good except javi is garbage, at least from what i saw of him

12/8/2007 10:41:54 PM

^ nah.

12/8/2007 10:42:14 PM

yea

he turns the ball over, doesnt score and doesnt get assists

12/8/2007 10:52:22 PM

javi can play a LITTLE defense at least... farnold SUCKS

12/8/2007 11:01:01 PM

Starting next game (send a message to starters):

J.J Hickson
Tracy Smith
Simon Harris
walk on
Javi

12/8/2007 11:14:26 PM

i really think that harris should get more minutes

he hustles more than anyone on the team and i'd rather see him getting burned a couple of times than costner standing around with his finger up his ass

[Edited on December 8, 2007 at 11:18 PM. Reason : .]

12/8/2007 11:17:48 PM

I don't see anyone buying out Lowe like they did with Herb

12/8/2007 11:27:39 PM

you guys really do jump ship quickly.

12/8/2007 11:29:28 PM

^ Well come on, things could change, but right now let's face the facts, Sid isn't as great of a coach as everyone made him out to be.

[Edited on December 8, 2007 at 11:31 PM. Reason : ]

12/8/2007 11:30:40 PM

or maybe our players are sucking it up. maybe we don't have a pg who's worth a damn and nobody's hustling at all. that may be the coach's fault. or it may just be that our team sucks this year. period. but who knows. it's still december. as i said earlier. you guys sure do jump ship quickly.

12/8/2007 11:32:57 PM

^ Very well could be, but right now... RIGHT NOW, it appears that our players haven't bought into any kind of system. I'm not jumping ship by any means, I'm just pointing out the obvious.

12/8/2007 11:35:56 PM

BLAME BLAME BLAME

12/8/2007 11:37:10 PM

^ I give credit where credit is due.

12/8/2007 11:49:11 PM

My only problem is that the coach sends a message that some games are important and most aren't. Wear the red jacket every game and maybe the players will play with 100% effort in every game.

12/9/2007 1:55:26 AM

^That, or the red jacket will become the standard, and the players will give no effort in all games... which, with our current team, seems more likely.

12/9/2007 1:57:32 AM

fuck the red jacket, its a goddam gimmick.

how bout just get on these kids to play harder, and teach them how to play smeltering aggressive defense. Work on PG's being proactive and protecting the ball, finding the open man. Keep moving. windsprint these suckers. Take a retreat and kumbayah these assholes til they get some sembelence of pride for being NC STATE.

THATS IT. Fuck the red jacket

12/9/2007 1:57:45 AM

^^^ ...



[Edited on December 9, 2007 at 1:58 AM. Reason : ^^]

12/9/2007 1:58:42 AM

well we as fans send the message that some games are more important than others. we fill the RBC Center up for UNC, Duke and a lot of the ACC games, but then don't even fill it up for a ranked Alabama team last year.

12/9/2007 2:01:12 AM

first of all, the alabama game was over christmas break.

second of all, stop making excuses for losing to shitty teams. it's not worth it, and it's not valid.

12/9/2007 2:03:26 AM

After Gavin Grant's predicted fourth loss, we need to get TOB to speak to the team and start a new season. Then at least something might happen. Maybe... hopefully...

12/9/2007 2:04:40 AM

why doesnt this team try?

12/9/2007 2:22:10 AM

because sid lowe touches himself













in practice

[Edited on December 9, 2007 at 2:29 AM. Reason : .]

12/9/2007 2:29:19 AM

Quote :

"My only problem is that the coach sends a message that some games are important and most aren't. Wear the red jacket every game and maybe the players will play with 100% effort in every game."

Come on... this is division I basketball... this is the ACC... this isn't intramurals. They get two weeks off...

Sorry... but seriously if these kids can't get up for every game then they shouldn't see the court. You don't get to that level without wanting to kick the shit out of every opponent out there..

12/9/2007 2:43:15 AM

^well said

Anyone remember when we beat VT 3 times, once by 30 points

[Edited on December 9, 2007 at 2:55 AM. Reason : .]

12/9/2007 2:51:31 AM

I think we should give Smith more of a shot until Costner and McCauley give better effort. We aren't redshirting him, so might as well use him.

12/9/2007 7:58:37 AM

God, I hate being right.

These guys are fucking horrible this year.

[Edited on December 9, 2007 at 8:58 AM. Reason : a]

12/9/2007 8:49:07 AM

the problem is that we don't seem to have a selfless style system anymore....i mean you look at the other 3 big four schools and their programs assimilate the players into a system and if the players dont produce then they sit down.

here, it seems like the players are given way too much power to do what they want and no reason NOT to be above the team

12/9/2007 9:43:01 AM

Quote :

"God, I hate being right. These guys are fucking horrible this year."

right about what, exactly?

12/9/2007 9:47:55 AM

GARBAGE WE ARE!

Are we a baseball school now?

12/9/2007 10:06:15 AM

^^ Exactly....want proof, look at Grant.

I really dont like to compare our program to UNC or Duke, but if K or Dean Smith ever saw a player running down the court, crossing his arms above his head after he dunked the ball, they would immediately go to the bench.

I wish they would deport him, it would make our team much better....

12/9/2007 10:07:14 AM

Grant is arguably our best player outside of hickson.



I know that doesn't say much...

12/9/2007 10:11:36 AM

Grant and Hickson are keeping this team afloat right now.

Costner sucks monster cock. McCauley has regressed to the garbage he was his freshman year. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with that kid this season.

The problem is if we bench Costner we won't get a single rebound.

McCauley and Hickson have got to learn to play together somehow but I don't see it happening.

Fells is in dire need of a wakeup call. Beyond Costner losing 15 pounds, Fells is our only chance to save the season.


What do you mean what was I right about? I was right to call Sid's credibility into question. He obviously has done nothing to get this team ready for the season. You guys acted like I was overreacting to one fluke loss. It was painfully obvious that loss wasn't a fluke, UNO played like shit and still hung with us because we lack execution in every fucking facet of the game.

12/9/2007 10:33:17 AM

you're not wrong, rallydurham

you're just an asshole

12/9/2007 11:01:03 AM

Quote :

"The problem is if we bench Costner we won't get a single rebound he pouts and sulks and the entire team feeds off of it Fells is has beenin dire need of a wakeup call since the day he got on campus . Beyond Costner losing 15 pounds, Fells is our only chance to save the season."

12/9/2007 11:08:31 AM

We'll see how good of a coach Sidney really is now. He's had 3 bad losses already after a quarter of the season. It's time for him to make the necessary adjustments. He somehow has to figure out how to wake up Fells, Costner and McCauley both offensively and defensively. If he can't, he's got to put in guys that will at least play like they give a damn and not be afraid to bench them for lack of hustle.

12/9/2007 11:14:37 AM

I think this has turned into a credibility WARNING!

I think that if we are going to be a good team the players need an attitude adjustment. Grant running his fucking mouth all the fucking time is not good for a team. Costner pouting and playing like shit. Sidney needs to sit these guys down and pull a fucking Bobby Knight right now and start knocking heads, not be their fucking buddies. That is the only way we are going to be any good come ACC time and I don't think Sidney is going to do it. We are in the best conference in the nation and we have lost to UNO and ECU. Be there fucking buddies when they are winning.

[Edited on December 9, 2007 at 11:44 AM. Reason : .]

12/9/2007 11:15:42 AM

they're not fooling anyone anymore, even unbiased eyes are picking up on the lethargic play

Quote :

"N.C. State hadn't played since an 81-58 loss at Michigan State on Nov. 28, a lethargic performance that coach Sidney Lowe partly attributed to fatigue following a Thanksgiving trip to Orlando, Fla., for the Old Spice Classic. But the Wolfpack's performance against the Pirates did little to back that claim, with East Carolina repeatedly outhustling the Wolfpack the longer the game went on and it became apparent that the Pirates weren't going away."

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/recap?gid=200712080178

12/9/2007 12:51:28 PM

Quote :

"Sidney needs to sit these guys down and pull a fucking Bobby Knight right now and start knocking heads, not be their fucking buddies."

that's what bothers me the most. when we're getting our shit pushed in and he calls a timeout he's clapping as they come to the bench. i want to see him pissed off, b/c he sure as shit should be.

12/9/2007 12:57:28 PM

Sidney's probably too busy to watch the news but someone should let him know delinquent loans and foreclosures are at all-time highs and his fucking house is next when he loses his job.

This is completely unacceptable. What a fucking terrible team we have on our hands right now.

One of the most talented teams in the country and absolutely nothing to show for it.

This feels like one of those "sleep through the season, then play balls out in the ACC tournament only to come up short to a better team and use the 'four games in four days' excuse and the 'wait til next year' rallying cry"

FUCK THAT. This team is going to be worse next year when we lose Grant and Hickson no doubt about that. It's now or never, I'm off the fucking Sidney train if we don't make it happen this year.

12/9/2007 1:46:24 PM

what about a costner credability watch thread. i mean, what can a coach do when he's got an all-american that's not wanting to play? bench him and let fergy play? actually he probably should.


he aired a free-throw. i officially hate costner.. wow

12/9/2007 1:51:16 PM

if the players aren't motivated to play, that is the coach's fault.

12/9/2007 2:07:10 PM

that airball was pretty sweet

12/9/2007 2:38:16 PM

BRING BACK THE HERBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

12/9/2007 2:39:37 PM

I really thought Costner was monumentally overrated particularly after seeing him in the Red-White game last season.

I was absolutely shocked when he became such a stud at the end of last season.

This is Costner I originally thought we had. His shot selection is horrible, his defense is horrible, his athleticism is below average, his heart is non-existent.

I don't see him EVER sniffing an NBA roster, I don't understand the fact some people think he could potentially leave early. What skill set does he possess that is in demand in the NBA?

I'm scared that maybe last season was just a fluke and he actually does suck. I'm still not sure how you can go from being such a dominant force to being absolutely abysmal that fast.

12/9/2007 3:15:15 PM

you really are too into puking your worthless opinions on tww rather than being a good fan and shutting the fuck up.


players/ recruits read this shit.

12/9/2007 3:20:07 PM

He's a less talented adam morrison

[Edited on December 9, 2007 at 3:21 PM. Reason : ^bwahahahahahaha. costner needs to read about how much he sucks]

12/9/2007 3:20:32 PM