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10/27/2008 10:44:00 PM

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"Obama Affinity to Marxists Dates Back to College Days Barack Obama shrugs off charges of socialism, but noted in his own memoir that he carefully chose Marxist professors as friends in college. By Bill Sammon German philosopher Karl Marx, author of "The Communist Manifesto," advocated redistributing wealth in order to achieve a classless society. Barack Obama laughs off charges of socialism. Joe Biden scoffs at references to Marxism. Both men shrug off accusations of liberalism. But Obama himself acknowledges that he was drawn to socialists and even Marxists as a college student. He continued to associate with Marxists later in life, even choosing to launch his political career in the living room of a self-described Marxist, William Ayers, in 1995, when Obama was 34. Obama's affinity for Marxists began when he attended Occidental College in Los Angeles. "To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully," the Democratic presidential candidate wrote in his memoir, "Dreams From My Father." "The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists." Obama's interest in leftist politics continued after he transferred to Columbia University in New York. He lived on Manhattan's Upper East Side, venturing to the East Village for what he called "the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union." After graduating from Columbia in 1983, Obama spent a year working for a consulting firm and then went to work for what he described as "a Ralph Nader offshoot" in Harlem. "In search of some inspiration, I went to hear Kwame Toure, formerly Stokely Carmichael of Black Panther fame, speak at Columbia," Obama wrote in "Dreams," which he published in 1995. "At the entrance to the auditorium, two women, one black, one Asian, were selling Marxist literature." Obama supporters point out that plenty of Americans flirt with radical ideologies in college, only to join the political mainstream later in life. But Obama, who made a point of noting how "carefully" he chose his friends in college, also chose to launch his political career in the Chicago living room of Ayers, a domestic terrorist who in 2002 proclaimed: "I am a Marxist." Also present at that meeting was Ayers' wife, fellow terrorist Bernardine Dohrn, who once gave a speech extolling socialism, communism and "Marxism-Leninism." Obama has been widely criticized for choosing the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, an anti-American firebrand, as his pastor. Wright is a purveyor of black liberation theology, which analysts say is based in part on Marxist ideas. Few political observers go so far as to accuse Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, of being a Marxist. But Republican John McCain has been accusing Obama of espousing socialism ever since the Democrat told an Ohio plumber named Joe earlier this month that he wanted to "spread the wealth around." Obama's running mate, Biden, recently contradicted his boss, saying: "He is not spreading the wealth around." The remark came as Biden was answering a question from a TV anchor who asked: "How is Senator Obama not being a Marxist if he intends to spread the wealth around?" "Are you joking? Is this a joke? Or is that a real question?" an incredulous Biden shot back. "It's a ridiculous comparison." But the debate intensified Monday with the surfacing of a 2001 radio interview in which Obama lamented the Supreme Court's inability to enact "redistribution of wealth" -- a key tenet of socialism. On Tuesday, McCain said Obama aspires to become "Redistributionist-in-Chief." Obama has managed to cultivate the image of a political moderate in spite of his consistently liberal voting record. In 2006, he published a second memoir, "The Audacity of Hope," that leaves little doubt about his adherence to the left. "The arguments of liberals are more often grounded in reason and fact," Obama wrote in "Audacity." "Much of what I absorbed from the sixties was filtered through my mother, who to the end of her life would proudly proclaim herself an unreconstructed liberal." National Journal magazine ranked Obama as the most liberal member of the Senate. The publication is far from conservative, employing such journalists as Linda Douglass, who resigned in May to become Obama's traveling press secretary."

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/28/obama-affinity-marxists-dates-college-days/

If you Obama voters don't think you're being fooled by him then there's really nothing else left to say.

10/28/2008 6:17:36 PM

careful, you racist. LOL

actually, they will now come out and defend Marx or just ignore this.

10/28/2008 6:22:43 PM

*sigh* you know, students who study criminology rarely become criminals. he studied marxism. he's not a proponent of full-fledged socialism. what exactly is wrong with educating yourself with a different ideology? it doesn't mean he has to adhere to those tenants he researched.

10/28/2008 6:24:28 PM

he's the most liberal senator in the government based on voting record. He's not "researching" different idealogies, he's all about practicing them. Don't be naive.

10/28/2008 6:28:05 PM

Marxism is far more than "spreading the wealth", fratty. Obama can be a proponent of one aspect of it. It does not mean he is Marxist. Liberal, yes, at in the US.

10/28/2008 6:34:14 PM

youre incorrect

10/28/2008 6:36:02 PM

^^I like how you say nothing arguing that Obama is going to "redistribute the wealth".

10/28/2008 6:37:33 PM

I'm incorrect about what, exactly?

Fratty, you don't even know what the fuck Marxism really is.

[Edited on October 28, 2008 at 6:43 PM. Reason : .]

10/28/2008 6:41:06 PM

we're focusing on his Marxist tendencies to want to give a lot of money to people that don't even pay taxes. we're not concerned with the "other side" of Marxism. So lets stick to this part. That's mainly what the article was referencing anyway.

10/28/2008 6:43:37 PM

really man, you think i dont?

10/28/2008 6:43:42 PM

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/28/obama-affinity-marxists-dates-college-days/

read this you fkn downy


this is obama's own words



research more son

10/28/2008 6:45:59 PM

Oh shit, the fratties are teaming up!

10/28/2008 6:47:14 PM

....

10/28/2008 6:47:46 PM

^^hey its cool man, just tell me why I should vote for giving the gov't more of my money and letting them control more of my life. I'm all ears.

10/28/2008 6:51:10 PM

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10/28/2008 7:04:15 PM

Fratty,

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=189162&title=The-Candidates'-Labels

10/28/2008 7:05:51 PM

How much money do some you folks need to have a happy, fulfilling life?

10/28/2008 7:06:42 PM

Justin its not a matter of how much money you need to be happy. Rather, when did it become okay for the government to decide that for you?

10/28/2008 9:07:43 PM

the government is deciding how much money you need to be happy?

10/28/2008 9:09:36 PM

ack, i definitely didn't state that properly at all.

anyway jlancas03 its nobody's place to decide how much money you need but your own.

10/28/2008 9:13:51 PM

Tell that to John McCain.

The marxist bastard supports the 16th Amendment!

10/28/2008 9:19:06 PM

HOLY SHIT ITS SOCIALISM! JUST LIKE MEDICARE MEDICAID AND SOCIAL SECURITY, GO LISTEN TO LEE GREENWOOD TO PURGE YOURSELF!

Yeah, real socialist guys..

Obama Tax Proposal
--------------------------------
$0-$18,891 = $567 tax cut
$18,982-$37,595 = $892 tax cut
$37,596-$66,354 = $1,118 tax cut
$66,355-$111,645 = $1,264 tax cut
$111,646-$160,972 = $2,135 tax cut
$160,973-$226,918 = $2,796 tax cut
$226,919-$603,402 = $121 tax increase
$603,403-$2.87 million = $93,709 tax increase
$2.87 million-plus = $542,882 tax increase

10/28/2008 9:20:28 PM

^^look, I've stated PLENTY of times that I'm not a fan of McCain. Voting for the lesser of two evils man...

^and how about the Bush tax cuts that Obama is going to let expire? And giving money to people that don't even pay taxes, wtf?

10/28/2008 9:24:34 PM

Then you need to work on Ron Paul.

I hear that marxist bastard's Fair Tax plan wants to redistribute the wealth by letting poor people freeloaders off the hook for taxes

[Edited on October 28, 2008 at 9:27 PM. Reason : ]

10/28/2008 9:26:56 PM

I want a candidate that will abolish the income tax. YA KNOW, since it was enacted as a "temporary" measure originally

10/28/2008 9:28:37 PM

^^^

those increases are from expiration of bush tax cuts

10/28/2008 9:29:01 PM

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"Obama Tax Proposal -------------------------------- $0-$18,891 = $567 tax cut $18,982-$37,595 = $892 tax cut $37,596-$66,354 = $1,118 tax cut $66,355-$111,645 = $1,264 tax cut $111,646-$160,972 = $2,135 tax cut $160,973-$226,918 = $2,796 tax cut $226,919-$603,402 = $121 tax increase $603,403-$2.87 million = $93,709 tax increase $2.87 million-plus = $542,882 tax increase"

Raise your hand if your taxes would go up.

10/28/2008 9:48:03 PM

"Obama wants to raise YOUR taxes"

I've never seen so many commercials specifically targeting rich people. Are Trust Fund Frat Boys the New NASCAR Dads/Soccer Moms?

10/28/2008 9:53:45 PM

^,^^ They've made it clear they don't believe that proposal. They think he's a tax-and-spend liberal and he will have a liberal congress to work with, so he'll raise taxes on everyone.

10/28/2008 10:00:34 PM

In Hebrew school, they taught us all about Nazis.

Does this mean I'm one?

Oh no

10/28/2008 10:08:56 PM

until 2010, when the Bush tax cuts expire (which neither Congress nor Obama would keep)

= tax increase

10/28/2008 10:09:09 PM

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"McCain was one of two Republican senators to vote against a $1.35 trillion tax cut that Bush proposed in 2001. McCain also voted against similar plans in 2003, as well as a proposed repeal of the federal estate tax. McCain said they disproportionately benefited the wealthy."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-12-23-romney-mccain_n.htm

OMG FLIP-FLOP!1

Since we're looking beyond campaign promises, after all...

10/28/2008 10:12:22 PM

I mean, it's kind of silly to say "LOOK AT OBAMA'S HISTORY, HE WAS TOTALLY A SOCIALIST" while ignoring that just a few years ago McCain was promoting very similar things.

10/28/2008 10:17:38 PM

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"until 2010, when the Bush tax cuts expire (which neither Congress nor Obama would keep) = tax increase"

That's not going to hurt anybody in this thread. Combine that with the Obama tax cuts and we'll be making some progress.

10/28/2008 10:59:27 PM

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/11/03/081103taco_talk_hertzberg

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"For her part, Sarah Palin, who has lately taken to calling Obama “Barack the Wealth Spreader,” seems to be something of a suspect character herself. She is, at the very least, a fellow-traveller of what might be called socialism with an Alaskan face. The state that she governs has no income or sales tax. Instead, it imposes huge levies on the oil companies that lease its oil fields. The proceeds finance the government’s activities and enable it to issue a four-figure annual check to every man, woman, and child in the state. One of the reasons Palin has been a popular governor is that she added an extra twelve hundred dollars to this year’s check, bringing the per-person total to $3,269. A few weeks before she was nominated for Vice-President, she told a visiting journalist—Philip Gourevitch, of this magazine—that “we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.”"

OMG, Palin's a Marxist!!!1

10/28/2008 11:05:36 PM

a socialist is someone who takes from someone who has and gives to someone who doesn't

if Alaskans own the resources and Alaskans get paid, that's called a business (you know...shareholders...dividends)

so pull your head out

10/29/2008 12:56:28 AM

^ So what exactly is wrong with a windfall tax then, if you think Alaska's tax is okay? Or are you supportive of a windfall tax?

10/29/2008 1:26:01 AM

what will the revenue from the tax be used for? are you talking specifics, or a windfall tax in general?

10/29/2008 1:52:25 AM

How do you determine what tax revenue is used for? It all goes in one pool.

10/29/2008 1:56:03 AM

^^^^Dude, it's not a business. The Alaskan government basically runs on oil royalties, which it collects in a fund managed by a semi-independent corporation. It gives a large portion of this to its citizens, which acts as social welfare to many of its low-income people.

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"The PFD payout, which comes in or near October of each year, is acknowledged to have a substantial effect on Alaska's economy, both in total and especially in rural Alaska where unemployment can reach 60% and where cash is scarce."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund

It's kinda socialist...

The point is, everyone approves of socialism to a some degree, and this whole issue is stupid.

[Edited on October 29, 2008 at 2:27 AM. Reason : .]

10/29/2008 2:27:15 AM

^Everyone in the two major parties anyway.

10/29/2008 2:31:24 AM

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"http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/28/obama-affinity-marxists-dates-college-days/"

did you really just use fox news as a credible source?

10/29/2008 4:19:53 AM

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"I've never seen so many commercials specifically targeting rich people"

You mean targeting the 60% of American's that actually pay taxes? The other 40% dont pay taxes.

carzak, Palin's share the wealth and Obama's spread the wealth are two different things. Palin is using her states natural resources so ALL OF THE CITIZENS OF ALASKA profit. Obama is for taxing ONE GROUP OF CITIZENS and giving their money to ANOTHER GROUP OF CITIZENS. No where close to the same context.....you are in college, you should be able to discern the difference between the two!

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"That's not going to hurt anybody in this thread."

This will absolutely hurt people in this thread. Are you in complete denial?!

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"I mean, it's kind of silly to say "LOOK AT OBAMA'S HISTORY, HE WAS TOTALLY A SOCIALIST" while ignoring that just a few years ago McCain was promoting very similar things."

PLEASE TELL ME WHEN JOHN MCCAIN, ANY OTHER REPUBLICAN, OR ANY OTHER DEMOCRAT HAS DIRECTLY SAID MULTIPLE TIMES THAT USED THE PHRASE "SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND" WHEN DEFENDING THEIR TAX PROPOSALS.

10/29/2008 9:13:50 AM

I thought he said it one time and then it was replayed on fox news hourly after that?

10/29/2008 9:16:25 AM

Clearly the majority likes the idea, since this attack hasn't worked even though everyone's heard it. The truth is, most of the world likes the idea of "spreading the wealth around," in other words, making the rich pay more taxes and using that tax money to help the poor.

And I still haven't been given a single reason to think that's a bad thing.

John McCain hasn't SAID "spread the wealth around," because he's a republican and knows he'd be dead in the water if he did. However, he has said that the rich should be taxed more, and he was correct.

[Edited on October 29, 2008 at 10:13 AM. Reason : .]

10/29/2008 10:12:14 AM

The real story on Obama's tax plan.

Obama's Tax Plan Is Really a Welfare Plan

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121910303529751345.html

10/29/2008 10:15:51 AM

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"Combine that with the Obama tax cuts and we'll be making some progress. "

If you hand the gov't over to team Obama/Pelosi/Reid, the last thing anyone will see is a tax cut.

10/29/2008 10:51:09 AM

^^i think that article is misleading in some points.

for example where it states that the top bracket goes up by 13%. it almost seems to be intentionally disingenuous

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"his health-insurance plan includes a new payroll tax on employers;"

and things like the above. which have been clarified countless times and when reported here its left ambiguous as to intentionally confuse and infuriate the reader. those taxes on employers are only on large companies that do not provide health care for their employees. all businesses aren't subjected to it and out of the few businesses that are its only when they fail to achieve a certain standard.

[Edited on October 29, 2008 at 10:59 AM. Reason : .]

10/29/2008 10:55:02 AM

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"The truth is, most of the world likes the idea of "spreading the wealth around," in other words, making the rich pay more taxes and using that tax money to help the poor."

I honestly dont care what "most of the world" thinks. This is the USA. We are the greatest super power "the world" has ever known. The AMERICAN DREAM. It's why millions come to this country ever year. It's the idea that people from the lower class can rise up through educating themselves...making smart decisions.....starting businesses.

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"John McCain hasn't SAID "spread the wealth around," because he's a republican and knows he'd be dead in the water if he did. However, he has said that the rich should be taxed more, and he was correct."

You still dont get it.

NO ONE HAS EVER SAID WE SHOULD INCREASE TAXES TO "SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND". THAT IS NOT WHAT AMERICA IS ABOUT!

MCCAIN, HILARY, DEMOCRATS/REPUBLICANS HAVE ALL PRESENTED REASONABLE ARGUEMENTS IN THE PAST FOR TAX INCREASES. THATS GOOD DEBATE. ITS GOOD FOR AMERICA. BUT NO ONE, HAS EVER ADVOCATED TAX INCREASES STRICTLY TO SPREAD THE WEALTH.

ALL THESE EXCUSES AND THEORIES THAT YOU ALL PRESENT ARE BESIDE THE POINT. OBAMA WANTS INCOME REDISTRIBUTION IN THE FORM OF TAXES. SURE, HIGHER TAXES WILL HELP IN THIS WAY AND THAT WAY, BUT THATS NOT WHY HES DOING IT! PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF YOUR COUNTRY, ATLEAST BE SOMEWHAT OBJECTIVE BEFORE RAMBLING FURTHER.

10/29/2008 10:56:52 AM