Yeah, I agree it should be personal choice.
Banning less than lethal ammo is stupid.

I'm just saying, IMO if you're gonna use a gun then use a gun the way it was meant.
If you kill the sob then you've accomplished your job of saving yourself (or someone else).
If you don't kill them there are (sadly) numerous legal issues that could plague you for the rest of your life.

I don't like it, but that's the sad truth of our lawsuit crazy society.

11/10/2008 4:03:49 PM

Regardless of whether or not you kill them, you're going to get sued at the very least honestly.

11/10/2008 4:04:35 PM

yeah, i agree that is fucked up.

if i shot him with a bullet and killed him, i'd be home free.

if i stopped him with a rubber bullet to the eye and just blinded him, i'd be sued for all i had.

11/10/2008 4:05:07 PM

^^Yeah, but at least there will only be one witness.


[Edited on November 10, 2008 at 4:05 PM. Reason : ]

11/10/2008 4:05:09 PM

11/10/2008 4:06:58 PM

Ok. I'm re-doing this to BTTT, but also, think it's relevant.

Quote :

"[quote] Fumber: "You know...Obama has stated he'd like to ban all armor piercing ammunition. Apparently he doesn't know every goddamn deer rifle in the US is armor piercing. You can go as small as the 22 magnum and still penetrate threat level iii armor." "

Oh, he knows... He knows...
But most on Capital Hill don't. Therefore, if he gets legislation on his desk (by Pilosi and Reid), he'll rubber stamp that QUICK...
[/quote]

11/10/2008 4:08:19 PM

im willing to bet that if someone broke into my home, and all i had was beanbag rounds, that i could find a way to kill them.

all the sudden i would become a patient person.

11/10/2008 4:08:26 PM

11/10/2008 4:09:28 PM

Oh man. If I somehow lost my stash off ammo there'd still be a few claw hammers, machetes, a maul, countless knives, and a pulaski.

Pulaski ftw!

11/10/2008 4:10:26 PM

Quote :

"Hahaha, here we go... We need to stop the "impending Zionist police state" right? And why don't you run a country where you let any Average Joe purchase tanks, airplanes, and helicopters if he has the money, and let me know how it goes."

BY THE ORIGINAL INTENT

i'm not saying its correct but that was the intent along with form a militia is to be prepared for a successful rebellion...

That was the point of the amendment not to make sure people could have hunting rifles.

11/10/2008 4:10:49 PM

well, maybe it's time for a rebellion

11/10/2008 4:11:40 PM

[Edited on November 10, 2008 at 4:14 PM. Reason : no hotlinking]

11/10/2008 4:12:08 PM

A gun = a gun.
Just cause they're used for hunting is beside the point.

Look at your military rifles through history. Aside from cosmetics they're no different than hunting rifles.

11/10/2008 4:12:50 PM

for sure. i could put a scope on my uncle's M1 garand and it's really no different than the semi-auto .30-06 browning bar safari my gf hunts with

hell, i'd rather have the browning. that m1 is heavy as shit.

11/10/2008 4:14:50 PM

yes... but arms =/= a gun

that's why I'm saying that the original intent wasn't for just owning a gun... it was for owning an arsenal equivalent to that of our military which i know is ridicules with the current weapons we have but its the truth.

11/10/2008 4:16:11 PM

yeah, but all they had back then were muskets and cannons and bayonets

[Edited on November 10, 2008 at 4:17 PM. Reason : no way they could've guessed the type of destruction one man could do back then]

11/10/2008 4:17:02 PM

^either way, its intent was for us "we the people" to keep our government in check.

Just think about the origins of this country...

11/10/2008 4:21:22 PM

^you're preaching to the choir man.

but to ignore the fact that times are significantly different and more complex now is ignorant.

11/10/2008 4:24:10 PM

11/10/2008 4:31:18 PM

don't use a half inch round if you don't have the powder to move it...

(.50bmg pistol)

11/10/2008 4:41:27 PM

Quote :

"And, the police would obviously start carrying around submachine guns and whatnot, because they have to "be one step above the general population." And with the police knowing that now every single car they pull over will have an armed citizen in the driver's seat... They're going to be nice and calm when pulling someone over, aren't they? I'm sure that would end well. "

I had to comment on this retarded nonsense from God on page 5. Myself and any other cop you ask, is totally calm and comfortable with the honest citizen we pull over who says "Officer i have a legal concealed carry permit and my gun is in the center console" while his hands are on the wheel. Its the law breaking gang member who has one illegally under his puffy thug coat and doesn't tell you that he does....those are the ones cops worry about. get a fucking clue

11/10/2008 4:50:35 PM

straight from the horse's mouth

11/10/2008 4:52:52 PM

So according to you guys everything should be legal.

So I can pack a rifle with level 8 armor piercing bullets. Because man that's my fuckin RIGHT

[Edited on November 10, 2008 at 4:55 PM. Reason : also a sub-machine gun, right?]

11/10/2008 4:53:15 PM

You have no clue...

11/10/2008 4:56:34 PM

Well, can I?

Because you guys seem to think that citizens can carry anything because they can be responsible with it.

I mean, what would you say should be illegal? Anything? Nothing? Everything?

11/10/2008 4:57:57 PM

11/10/2008 4:59:31 PM

Everyone is complaining about what they're going to outlaw.

I'm asking what would YOU outlaw? It's not a strawman.

11/10/2008 5:00:44 PM

I'd start by outlawing your dumb ass

11/10/2008 5:02:23 PM

no offense God, but you don't know enough about firearms and ammunition to know whether or not you've been constantly posting strawmen throughout the whole thread

for example, you don't seem to realize that you could have a sniper rifle, a fully automatic machine gun, and a single shot hunting rifle that all used the same caliber of ammunition

you also don't appear to be aware that its already illegal for non-military and non-law enforcement to buy true armor-piercing ammunition or fully automatic weapons, unless they have a Class III permit which requires you willingly give up your right to prevent illegal searches and seizures of property

you want it to sound like anyone who is pro-2nd amendment and pro individual firearm rights wants every person in the country to be required to have guns and carry them all the time

[Edited on November 10, 2008 at 5:06 PM. Reason : etc]

11/10/2008 5:03:52 PM

Quote :

"I'm asking what would YOU outlaw? It's not a strawman."

Its not the tool that should be banned. The penalties for unlawful use of a firearm should be severe.



[Edited on November 10, 2008 at 5:33 PM. Reason : ]

11/10/2008 5:32:23 PM

^^And I'm asking what guns you would outlaw

11/10/2008 5:34:31 PM

^^true, but those penalties need to be clearly defined, taking any/all responsibility away from victims of crimes/those defending themselves & their property.

[Edited on November 10, 2008 at 5:34 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2008 5:34:39 PM

As i see it, they need to find a way to enforce the gun laws that are already in place before they make new ones. You could say that all guns are banned under penalty of getting your nuts chopped off followed by execution, the criminals would still have guns if you only enforced it as well as we enforce current firearm licensing laws.

11/10/2008 5:36:23 PM

it's not gonna happen
BUT
for fucks sake
i hope it does
and i hope you are all pissed off

11/10/2008 5:42:36 PM

you want crime rates to skyrocket?

11/10/2008 5:44:02 PM

lol yes that would happen

all them darkies are just foamin at the mouth to rob you

11/10/2008 5:47:12 PM

did you watch the video yet? I guess not.

way to bring in racism! typical of your kind

11/10/2008 5:48:03 PM

Yes.

Let me know what guns should be outlawed.

11/10/2008 5:48:33 PM

How about the ones that are already outlawed, like fully automatic weapons? It would be so simple to implement, since the laws are already in place.

Then maybe before someone gets a concealed carry permit, the FBI can do a background check on them. Oh wait, that too is already a law.

11/10/2008 5:49:30 PM

gun? no gun
artillery? yeh
bombs? yeh
missiles? yeh



[Edited on November 10, 2008 at 5:50 PM. Reason : ^I'm fine with that too, good enough comprimise]

11/10/2008 5:49:45 PM

But.. but.. don't we need fully automatic weapons to keep ourselves safe?

Like you said, we need to be able to protect ourselves and the government should fear us. Without fully automatic weapons we can't do that!

11/10/2008 5:50:57 PM

^civilians already have those weapons, so.......

and the only real civilian use for those are sport (target, competitions, etc) so I wouldn't really say those are necessary for defense, but can be and are used.

[Edited on November 10, 2008 at 5:52 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2008 5:52:25 PM

Yes, I suppose people DO need to have a fully automatic M4 Carbine for "sport" purposes.

11/10/2008 5:54:06 PM

why not?

hell, if you're against sport shooting, might as well outlaw all guns, bows, etc


let's outlaw sport flying (it's dangerous), sky diving (it's dangerous), bungee jumping (it's dangerous), just because we don't really need'em

[Edited on November 10, 2008 at 5:55 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2008 5:54:45 PM

Quote :

"it's not gonna happen BUT for fucks sake i hope it does and i hope you are all pissed off"

that's real mature

11/10/2008 5:55:22 PM

I think I could take out a significantly larger number of people in a crowded subway station with an M4 carbine than with a bow.

11/10/2008 5:55:24 PM

which is why you shouldn't have a gun.

but....



IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO GET THAT M4 NO MATTER WHAT THE FUCKING LAW SAYS. GODDAMN YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT.

11/10/2008 5:56:08 PM

Maybe...

Maybe if the government did its job and restricted our borders so these items didn't get shipped in, I wouldn't be able to get one.

Besides, the "people will just get it anyway" excuse is bullshit. With that mentality nothing should be illegal.

Why make child pornography illegal? People will get it anyway.

11/10/2008 5:57:32 PM

YOU PEOPLE

no one is going to take away one of the amendments of the bill of rights, especially not the 2nd amendment.

our guns aren't going anywhere. it will not happen, ever.

come back down to earth you fucking maniacs

[Edited on November 10, 2008 at 5:58 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2008 5:58:16 PM

^^that's the worst argument ever. no one used CP for a good purpose.

[Edited on November 10, 2008 at 5:59 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2008 5:58:49 PM