we're talking about a fucking sewer easement here, and the guy is acting like $20,000 an acre is a slap in the face. Sewer lines are typically built in low-lying areas that are prone to flooding and unsuitable to build on, so it's not like they're taking land that actually has any real value to a developer. On top of it all, this guy is going to want to have sewer serving his development if he ever builds out on it.

Keep in mind that this is an easement, not a land purchase. He'll still technically own the land after this is done; he just won't be able to build on top of it (which he would not be capable of doing regardless due to flooding issues.) He will be able to use the sewer line as a backlot and use the land in acreage calculations.

If this guy is complaining as a farm owner, then he is a fucking moron. He's going to get paid $10,000 and still be allowed to farm right over top of the same land. He loses nothing.

2/27/2011 1:13:52 PM

But he doesn't want to. It's his private property.

And if there's one thing America's founding fathers stood for, it's the right of the landowner. As long as the landowners aren't indians. Or women. Or slaves.

[Edited on February 27, 2011 at 2:31 PM. Reason : .]

2/27/2011 2:29:45 PM

he does want to sell, as evidenced by his statements about what he believes the property is worth. He just thinks the city has deep pockets and this is his get rich quick scheme.

2/27/2011 3:04:23 PM

just route it around his property and note that his property is never allowed to connect to the city sewer

next case

2/27/2011 3:07:51 PM

Listening to white people in cary be angry with this guy has been my utmost pleasure these past months. Their rage has been my great satisfaction. This man is truly a troll among trolls, my hat is off to him. My only hope is that when he falls another will stand up to take his place, like the pink house lady.

2/27/2011 3:32:46 PM

except he's not trolling.

2/27/2011 4:10:45 PM

how is it possible for one person to be so consistently wrong?

no, we're not talking about a fucking easement

we're talking about a purchase

Quote :

"the town of Cary wants to forcibly purchase a half-acre of Gasiorowski's land"

an outright purchase

not an easement

everything you said is invalid

2/27/2011 6:22:51 PM

are you fucking retarded? no one purchases land to build something they could get away with an easement for. It'd be different if they needed the land to build a pumping station, but an easement is all they need for a pipeline.

[Edited on February 27, 2011 at 6:33 PM. Reason : easements are purchased, in case you really are this obtuse]

2/27/2011 6:32:00 PM

you are 100% wrong

Cary is going to purchase the land outright

easements are irrelevant in this conversation because Cary is not attempting to purchase an easement

you are awful

2/27/2011 6:32:54 PM

prove it, dipshit. You're going to need more than some bullshit article by the N&O.

2/27/2011 6:43:05 PM

nevermind, I'll prove it for you because you're just that fucking stupid.

http://www.townofcary.org/Sunshine/Agendas___Minutes/Staff_Reports/EN11-046_Beaver_Creek_Gravity_Sewer.htm

Quote :

"Beaver Creek Gravity Sewer, Beaver Creek Trunk Sewer and Tunnel Project Condemnation Resolutions (EN11-046) Consideration of approval of condemnation resolutions to secure necessary easements for the Beaver Creek Gravity Sewer, Beaver Creek Trunk Sewer and Tunnel Project "

2/27/2011 6:49:01 PM

that doesn't prove anything, fuckface

I don't see Mr. Gasiorowski's name anywhere in that quote

i'm not clicking on your link

2/27/2011 6:55:42 PM

Game: Trolls

2/27/2011 6:56:57 PM

2/27/2011 7:02:47 PM

Quote :

" Keep in mind that this is an easement, not a land purchase. He'll still technically own the land after this is done; he just won't be able to build on top of it (which he would not be capable of doing regardless due to flooding issues.)"

this is false

they often purchase land for the easements. the guy may be able to use it, but he wouldn't own it. your statement is just wrong.

some types of easements involve just an easement agreement, but for permanent structures they typically buy them when they are not along an existing ROW. if this does not follow a ROW its entirely reasonable that they are trying to buy it outright.

hell, 90% of the projects i was on for the DOT were to buy land just for easements.

[Edited on February 27, 2011 at 7:19 PM. Reason : signed, rbrthwrd; EI, SI]

2/27/2011 7:08:58 PM

the only people who purchase land are DOT and railroad companies, because they require complete use of the land with no remaining rights left to the property owner. utilities acquire easements. If you worked for DOT, you would understand this because you handle PUE's for adjacent utilities. It is in no way a land purchase.

I find it funny that you try to use your EI status to prove your knowledge to a PE licensed in several states.

[Edited on February 27, 2011 at 8:33 PM. Reason : do people not understand the difference between buying property and buying an easement?]

2/27/2011 8:30:32 PM

do you not understand that people are tired of you pretending to be an expert about everything?

2/27/2011 9:25:38 PM

my SI status is much more relevant than even a PE

2/27/2011 9:30:52 PM

except it's not, especially if you don't even understand what an easement is.

[Edited on February 27, 2011 at 9:33 PM. Reason : billytalent, you've already been shit on once in this thread. why do you keep coming back?]

2/27/2011 9:32:30 PM

rbrthwrd understands what an easement is

do you have any other concerns or questions about his qualifications?

you're an idiot

2/27/2011 9:34:15 PM

no he doesn't. If you purchase land, then you acquired the property. An easement grants you rights to property that someone else still owns. There is a major difference.

2/27/2011 9:37:31 PM

i have no idea what it is in the story, and have not read it, but you can't determine if they are only interested in the interests because land is sometimes purchased for utilities. i have seen it happen in my experience outside of the DOT as well. they may simply easement but if a story says they are looking to purchase the property that could be true because it happens.

2/27/2011 9:43:15 PM

^^ why do you continue to spout the definition for words we all know? why are you ignoring the specifics of Mr. Gasiorowski's case?

2/27/2011 9:43:39 PM

click the link I gave you. The specifically mention Gasierowski by name and mention the boundaries of the easement they want to acquire. It doesn't get any clearer than that.

2/27/2011 9:47:42 PM

Quote :

"UTILITY AND PIPELINE EASEMENT: Commencing at an existing concrete monument on the southern line of PIN 0721-28-7171 and Deed Book 7349 Page 840, whose coordinates are N 717547.0543 E 2022174.4227; thence along the southern line of PIN 0721-28-7171 and Deed Book 7349 Page 840, N 71-35-21 W 18.83 feet to the eastern right of way of Richardson Road; thence along the eastern right of way of Richardson Road, N 06-03-17 E 45.54 feet to a point; thence N 03-17-04 E 191.63 feet to the POINT OF BEGINNING; thence continuing along the eastern right of way of Richardson Road, N 03-17-04 E 56.53 feet to a point; thence S 41-45-24 E 199.14 feet to a point; thence S 71-25-22 E 383.09 feet to a point; thence S 52-05-16 W 47.97 feet to a point; thence N 71-25-22 W 367.20 feet to a point; thence N 41-45-24 W 169.79 feet to the POINT OF BEGINNING, containing 0.514 acres (22384 sq. ft.) more or less, and being the 40 foot wide Utility & Pipeline Easement according to a map entitled “Western Wake Wastewater Management Facilities, Beaver Creek Gravity Sewer - Project # SW 1178, Property of John S. & Elizabeth D. Gasiorowski”, prepared by Withers & Ravenel, dated 2/8/2010. "

2/27/2011 9:49:19 PM

you're an idiot

Quote :

"NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE TOWN OF CARY, THAT: 1. The Town of Cary shall acquire by condemnation, for the purposes stated above, the property ... in a certain tract described in Deed Book 7349, page 840, Wake County Registry. "

2/27/2011 9:56:17 PM

here is the deed, because i know he is busy looking it up right now

2/27/2011 10:11:31 PM

here is the wikipedia entry for easement because he's bound to quote it 5 more times

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easement

2/27/2011 10:20:24 PM

it clearly states that they are obtaining easements through condemnation directly below the text you quoted. they are not condemning to obtain title of the property.

Quote :

"The easement area taken is more particularly described as follows: "

2/27/2011 10:22:28 PM

here are some other condemnation resolutions by the town of cary, because i know he is googling it right now:
http://www.googlesyndicatedsearch.com/u/Cary?hl=en&ie=ISO-88591&q=condemnation+resolutions&btnG=Search

[Edited on February 27, 2011 at 10:24 PM. Reason : /link]

2/27/2011 10:24:01 PM

no need to search for other cases; we're talking about one specific case here.

2/27/2011 10:27:32 PM

hey eleusis, at what age are cattle typically slaughtered for human consumption

2/27/2011 10:28:04 PM

here is the definition of condemnation so he doesn't have to quote it:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/condemnation

Quote :

"condemnation n. the legal process by which a governmental body exercises its right of "eminent domain" to acquire private property for public uses (highways, schools, redevelopment, etc.). Condemnation includes a resolution of public need, an offer to purchase, and, if a negotiated purchase is not possible, then a condemnation suit. The government may take the property at the time of suit if it deposits money with the court in the amount of the government's appraisal. (See: eminent domain, inverse condemnation, condemnation action)"

2/27/2011 10:29:18 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_%28property%29

Quote :

"Title is a legal term for a bundle of rights in a piece of property in which a party may own either a legal interest or an equitable interest.[1] "

2/27/2011 10:34:31 PM

you guys are fags

who gives a shit

2/27/2011 10:36:40 PM

not me

2/27/2011 10:37:32 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs&feature=related

2/27/2011 10:39:19 PM

rbrthwrd is winning this slap fight

2/28/2011 7:08:03 PM

bump

Quote :

"Cary continues case against homeowner's sign CARY, N.C. — The town of Cary is taking its case against a homeowner's sign to a higher court. Town officials said Thursday they have asked the 4th U.S Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Va., to hear their appeal about a sign that David Bowden painted on his house. Bowden says he wrote the sign that read "Screwed by the town of Cary" because he blames a road project for damaging his home. U.S. District Court Judge Louise Flanagan has ruled that the First Amendment protects the sign. Town officials say the message on a 48-square-foot section of the front of Bowden's house violates community standards. Officials say Bowden could have had the words painted on as many as three smaller signs. --WRAL"

5/5/2011 12:48:08 PM

Town of Cary has been fucking up pretty bad in the last 2 years

5/5/2011 12:53:32 PM

Is the sign still up? If so, I doubt it'll be coming down or altered anytime soon. David's been in an assisted living care facility for the last several weeks and is probably gonna be spending whatever time he has left there.

5/5/2011 12:57:43 PM

so they're conceding he should be able to protest just with a smaller font...sounds too procedural to be overturned on appeal. i don't find the community standards argument very persuasive either since the initial dispute was over the town hurting community members by damaging/devaluing their property. seems like he should just be able to throw that right back in their face.

5/5/2011 12:59:32 PM

I think there's a law in Cary that limits the size of a sign, so the issue with one 48' sign being bad and three smaller signs being ok might point to that.

Maybe the font is an issue? Otherwise just make a large mosaic sign made up of several small signs.

5/5/2011 1:19:54 PM

Anyone talking about font sizes or combining three signs into one is completely missing the point, IMO.

5/5/2011 1:22:10 PM

what's their argument that it's a "sign" at all? it's his house. there is no external display. it's paint on a a house. he hasn't taken anything away from the house as to make it less than what you'd expect from a house. it's not like it's a giant facade.

5/5/2011 1:29:02 PM

Cary only allows a certain square footage of sign. American flags are counted in that square footage.

5/5/2011 1:32:24 PM

a house is not a sign.

5/5/2011 1:36:44 PM

dibs on the eggplant Prowler in his driveway

5/5/2011 1:44:38 PM

whys the guy in an assisted living place?

5/5/2011 1:44:40 PM

cancer

[Edited on May 5, 2011 at 1:45 PM. Reason : ]

5/5/2011 1:45:14 PM