I wish I could get inside smc's brain. Must be a constant LOL-Train

[Edited on August 25, 2011 at 5:04 PM. Reason : ]

8/25/2011 5:03:39 PM

"Dude, can't handle it! Unplug this bastard!"

[Edited on August 25, 2011 at 5:05 PM. Reason : Nukes or my brain?....Both.]

8/25/2011 5:03:43 PM

You're being unreasonable because you think "NUKES BAD" without rational thought. Arbitrarily demanding that something that could "potentially kill millions" needs to be 100% automated (like automation would eliminate that risk in the first place) doesn't have any rational support.

8/25/2011 5:07:37 PM

India's 20 Nuclear Plants Vulnerable, Stand to Kill Millions

If you thought corruption in Japan was bad...

http://www.livemint.com/2011/08/22202845/How-safe-is-India8217s-nucl.html?h=B

[Edited on August 25, 2011 at 5:12 PM. Reason : .]

8/25/2011 5:11:55 PM

cool story brah. That is not new news

Next you're going to post a brand new story about Chinese building standards being terrible!

[Edited on August 25, 2011 at 5:17 PM. Reason : ]

8/25/2011 5:16:34 PM

Collapsing buildings only kill hundreds.

Ignoring the problem doesn't fix it. And we can encourage them to fix the problem by dismantling our own nuclear program.

8/25/2011 5:22:03 PM

ignoring what problem?

[Edited on August 25, 2011 at 6:41 PM. Reason : ]

8/25/2011 6:41:07 PM

^Troll.

8/25/2011 6:44:43 PM

Yes. The person posting factual information in response to your troll posts is a troll. Perfectly logical.

8/25/2011 6:53:57 PM

That measly Virginia earthquake exceeded design parameters for nearby nuke plant. The NRC is "investigating".

http://www.power-eng.com/articles/2011/08/nuclear-regulators-continue-inspection-of-plant.html

Can't happen here.

8/29/2011 2:40:54 PM

Quote :

"If the plant isn't safe to operate during inclement weather then it's not safe to operate at all and should be dismantled."

It's not safe to drive a car in a hurricane, therefor all cars should be destroyed and we should walk everywhere.

^ it exceeded design parameters aaaaaand what happened? right, NOTHING. thank you for proving our point

8/29/2011 3:11:03 PM

^^ sounds like it possibly exceeded one of the associated parameters for seismic design and no significant damage has been found. I believe the parameter they exceeded was probably acceleration which will affect the bolting of equipment and such. However, the other thing to keep in mind is that there is usually a double-dip safety factor there. There is a generous safety factor on the design load itself used to design and select supports, bolts, etc., but the bolts themselves are manufactured with a safety factor that can be full multiples of the failure stress it is designed to handle (which was already an increased design stress).

Also, the natural gas power plant nearby also shutdown automatically during the earthquake (like it was supposed to). Should we tear that facility down? Clearly it is not designed to handle natural disasters since it needs to be shut down for safety purposes during an earthquake.

[Edited on August 29, 2011 at 3:34 PM. Reason : ]

8/29/2011 3:13:59 PM

I'd love to see smc travel over to India and tell villagers that are getting electricity for the first time in their lives that they should protest to close the nuclear plants b/c they pose a tiny tiny chance of causing a disaster. Talk about a lolocoaster.

8/29/2011 3:38:05 PM

Can't happen here.

8/29/2011 5:13:21 PM

yep. you actually reading what people are saying can't happen here, lol
just out of curiosity, do you think 9/11 was an inside job?

[Edited on August 29, 2011 at 5:59 PM. Reason : ]

8/29/2011 5:59:24 PM

Fukushima schools found to be unsafe 40 miles from the reactor, three times farther away than current exclusion zone.

Radiation 70 times internationally accepted levels. In response, Japan's education ministry on Friday set a looser standard, allowing up to 1 microsievert per hour of radiation in schools.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/29/japan-schools-greenpeace-idUSL4E7JQ1U520110829

Can't happen here.

8/29/2011 7:23:07 PM

trolls happen here

8/29/2011 7:37:59 PM

Denial.

8/29/2011 8:33:57 PM

yes. that's what you are in. I'm glad that you are coming to realize this

8/29/2011 10:51:53 PM

nothing got damaged at North Anna that they know of. They're concerned that an auxillary control building might have shifted slightly, but that building only houses third level backup safety features. This is just the NRC being overly cautious, and nutcases like smc are trying to make precautionary measures out to be doomsday scenarios.

[Edited on August 30, 2011 at 10:41 AM. Reason : .]

8/30/2011 10:41:19 AM

^bingo.

8/30/2011 2:14:56 PM

Fukushima to Remain Uninhabitable for Twenty Years

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/27/us-japan-nuclear-uninhabitable-idUSTRE77Q17U20110827

8/30/2011 10:56:34 PM

^ Fukushima what?

8/30/2011 10:57:55 PM

Probably not the whole prefecture. Still a sizable loss of land to such a dense population.

The cleanup of schools mentioned above was ineffective.
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110831a8.html

Virginia Was First Time U.S. Power Plant had to be Shut Down Due to Earthquake
http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/2011/aug/30/quake-induced-shutdown-north-anna-may-be-first-ar-1275172/

Quote :

"“North Anna had an earthquake at or near what it was designed for,” said Dave Lochbaum, director of the Union of Concerned Scientists’ nuclear safety project in Chattanooga, Tenn., “and it shut down like it was designed for.” However, “They were lucky in that the earthquake wasn’t worse than that,” Lochbaum said. “The NRC should take steps to lessen that risk, rather than waiting for luck to run.”"

United Nations Fails to Create International Nuke Oversight, Repeat of Fukushima Assured
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/30/us-nuclear-safety-iaea-idUSTRE77T1MH20110830


[Edited on August 30, 2011 at 11:10 PM. Reason : .]

8/30/2011 11:02:07 PM

Quote :

"Virginia Was First Time U.S. Power Plant had to be Shut Down Due to Earthquake"

and it worked exactly as designed. even your quote says so. what's the problem? oh, right, that you're a fucktard

8/30/2011 11:48:49 PM

Quote :

"United Nations Fails to Create International Nuke Oversight, Repeat of Fukushima Assured"

Well, even if they had, a repeat of Fukushima during the infinite future expanse of human history was already assured.

8/31/2011 12:56:31 AM

Quote :

"However, “They were lucky in that the earthquake wasn’t worse than that,” Lochbaum said. “The NRC should take steps to lessen that risk, rather than waiting for luck to run.”"

And we're all lucky that a comet hasn't hit the earth and caused our extinction.

8/31/2011 11:31:30 AM

holy shit, that can happen? WHY DON'T WE HAVE ROCKETS ON THE SIDE OF THE EARTH THAT CAN MOVE THE EARTH AT A MOMENT'S NOTICE? [/smc]

9/1/2011 12:23:06 PM

Radioactive Waste Shifted During Virginia Earthquake

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-01/nuclear-waste-in-dominion-plant-casks-shifted-in-quake-nrc-says.html

9/1/2011 1:11:47 PM

HAHAHA.

I came here to predict that smc would post that. Cool story.

9/1/2011 1:18:21 PM

Quote :

"The 25 dry casks, and the spent fuel inside, moved from one inch to four-and-a-half inches in their storage area at the North Anna reactor complex, NRC spokesman Scott Burnell said today in an e-mail."

9/1/2011 1:21:17 PM

Quote :

"The cylinders, each 16 feet tall and weighing 115 tons, were not damaged, and no radiation was released"

9/1/2011 1:26:30 PM

^^^^I heard a bunch of trees fell down too. They could have killed someone. It's probably for the best if we just get rid of trees altogether.

9/1/2011 3:29:39 PM

Quote :

"Probably not the whole prefecture. Still a sizable loss of land to such a dense population."

out of



out of



So, we could focus on the Futaba District, which is fitting since the Futaba town is one of the two most closest and closely connected town to the plant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futaba_District,_Fukushima



So that's the yellow so this matches closely, although not perfectly, with the mandatory evacuation zones. And:

Quote :

"As of 2003, the district has an estimated population of 75,220 and a density of 86.95 persons per km². The total area is 865.12 km²."

For reference, the density is about 3/4 what Raleigh's is, and the population is about half that of Cary.

Granted, if you told half of Cary that they had to relocate for an indeterminate amount of time, they would probably be... very grumpy.

9/6/2011 9:29:45 PM

Japan Likely to Shut Down All Nuclear Plants by Next April
Only 12/54 are currently in operation.

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Energy-Resources/2011/09/07/Japan-to-decrease-nuclear-power/UPI-52671315424468/

9/7/2011 5:30:14 PM

Ill read the article tomorrow when im not on my phone but I think you are misinterpreting the article . Japan is planning to phase out but next year's outage isn't a permanent situation. I don't believe japan has the power infrastructure to phase out nuclear within the next 5 years let alone by april. I could be wrong tho

9/7/2011 10:50:05 PM

Historic trial will determine that we have the ability to eliminate the scourge of nuclear energy.
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_18872794

Feds finally kill Yucca Mountain and any hope of safe nuclear waste disposal for decades to come. This is a good thing, it will make it easier to shut down the entire industry when the inevitable accident occurs.
http://www.nevadanewsbureau.com/2011/09/10/yucca-mountain-is-dead-again/
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jvMYcES38_NBjSVVqJyzs3bGVbTg?docId=79a31d713c734df19e083bb5267d6fff

[Edited on September 11, 2011 at 2:35 PM. Reason : .]

9/11/2011 2:30:57 PM

I just want to say you know you must have made one hell of a retarded argument when folks are
siding with aaronburro in a thread....that should tell you something has gone awry in your present line of thinking....

No offense or anything aaronburro....

9/11/2011 6:12:29 PM

You know we're the same person, right?

Japan's corporate owners force Trade Minister out of office after he calls Fukushima nuclear zone a "town of death".

Quote :

"He explained that his words were his honest impression of the area around the plant. "You can't find a place like that anywhere else but there," Hachiro said. "I couldn't think of any other word but that to describe my feeling.""

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gtxDkCcpn8WSRiD9QmTWGLtDPqIg?docId=c41876bab6304c74b350b77de3109dd1


Fukushima disaster radiation was Three Times Worse than initially reported.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2011/09/11/Japan-atomic-leak-3-times-first-estimate/UPI-89011315751809/?spt=hs&or=tn


Japanese government failed to warn residents about Radioactive Rain, needlessly exposing countless individuals.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903285704576558322378254428.html




[Edited on September 11, 2011 at 6:58 PM. Reason : Good thing we don't have rain here.]

9/11/2011 6:35:23 PM

Figured I'd help out smc and his continual troll of the nuclear industry. This sounds about right:

And now even the French are having deaths related to the "safe" nuclear industry.

http://www.wral.com/business/story/10117428/

[Edited on September 12, 2011 at 9:34 AM. Reason : ]

9/12/2011 9:31:45 AM

Quote :

"Feds finally kill Yucca Mountain and any hope of safe nuclear waste disposal for decades to come. This is a good thing, it will make it easier to shut down the entire industry when the inevitable accident occurs."

I don't think you know how to read. Here's what it actually says:

Quote :

""In my discussions with senior NRC attorneys, a 2-2 split is legally unambiguous" and leaves the licensing board's decision intact, Ostendorff said in an email."

You know, the previous decision said Obama COULD NOT unilaterally shut down Yucaa. DOH.

9/12/2011 12:50:54 PM

^^I would never use such a sad story to further a personal agenda.

^Yucca Mountain is dead.

9/12/2011 4:33:03 PM

hahahaha.

smc: posts something that's not true
burro: posts facts about the issue that show smc is wrong.
smc: posts the same false statement again

9/12/2011 5:17:20 PM

I'll believe in Yucca Mountain when the first train cars filled with nuclear waste start rolling through our neighborhoods(instead of just being buried down the road). Ain't gonna happen, my brother.

9/12/2011 5:22:23 PM

totally different. doesn't mean it's dead yet. It's still very much alive, so much so that all it takes is a republican-controlled senate. and it should be fucking used. there's no evidence that it's not a suitable place. the DOE has yet to show what changed from the billions of dollars of research done into the matter, even though it claims something has changed

9/12/2011 5:25:47 PM

Raleigh Gives Green Light to Project to Make Shearon Harris Obsolete
http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/09/21/1505008/raleigh-to-make-electricity-at.html

American Nuclear insurance fund is Inadequate to cover a major accident.
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/US-nuclear-disaster-coverage/2011/09/21/id/411735

Siemens Pulls Out and Wipes Its Hands of Sticky Nuclear Industry
http://www.energyandcapital.com/articles/siemens-leaving-nuclear-power-business-for-good/1786

Government Gives Up on Cleaning Scottish Nuclear Catastrophe
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/sep/21/scottish-nuclear-leak-clean-up?newsfeed=true

[Edited on September 21, 2011 at 2:21 PM. Reason : .]

9/21/2011 2:10:35 PM

Quote :

"Raleigh Gives Green Light to Project to Make Shearon Harris Obsolete http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/09/21/1505008/raleigh-to-make-electricity-at.html"

Obsolete? O RLY?

Falls Lake Dam Stats: http://epec.saw.usace.army.mil/FALLPERT.TXT

P = Q * r * h * g * e
where
P = Rated Hydroelectric Power (W)
m = Volumetric Flow Rate (m^3/s)
r = Density (kg/m^3)
h = Height (m)
g = Gravity (m/s^2)
e = Bulk Efficiency

P = (765 ft^3/s) * (0.3048 m/ft)^3 * (1000 kg/m^3) * (291.5 ft - 200.0 ft) * (0.3048 m/ft) * (9.8 m/s^2) * (0.9)

P = 5.329 MWe

Suppose we are ultra conservative. Instead of using the mean discharge over 60 years (765 ft^3/s), I'll use the recorded maximum known discharge, 23,300 ft^3/s. I'll even use the lowest basin elevation of 188.4 ft. Heck, I'll even provide you an ultra, perfectly efficient water turbine.

P = 203.19 MWe

Sharon Harris is rated at 900 MWe.

Furthermore, hydroelectric typically has capacity factors around 0.4 to 0.6, depending on how that water source may be used elsewhere (e.g. drought, conservation, etc). This means that hydroelectric are actually online around half of the time in a given year. Contrast that to nuclear, which typically has a capacity factor of 0.9.

smc, I know you just like trolling and rolling in red herrings here, but maybe, just maybe, you might actually learn something here in the interest of actually producing an intelligent point of discussion.

[Edited on September 21, 2011 at 6:33 PM. Reason : .]

9/21/2011 6:32:05 PM

I didn't know the relative outputs of the plants, so I just made the statement and relied on you guys to tell me why I was wrong. Thanks, as always.

Cool bro, so we just need to dam it in 38 more places downstream.

9/21/2011 8:23:17 PM

Oh, you're welcome. Please let us know what else you need to be spoon fed and entitled to.

9/21/2011 8:42:50 PM

they've already installed a turbine on the dam at Jordan Lake. 4.6MW is all it can generate.

9/21/2011 9:44:05 PM