^^ well, at least the intruder lived up to his name

7/24/2012 8:55:22 PM

is an AK-47 an assault rifle?

7/24/2012 9:08:27 PM

depends on your definition

7/24/2012 9:10:07 PM

I just wanted to know if this guy's chopper was an assault rifle: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/24/maine-police-batman-copycat-suspect-planned-to-shoot-employer/

I didn't want to label it incorrectly.

7/24/2012 9:13:36 PM

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"Courtois told state police he was driving to Derry, N.H., to shoot a former employer. Police found four handguns, several boxes of ammunition, and an AK-47 assault rifle inside the car, an arsenal allegedly similar to the one Aurora shooting suspect James Eagan Holmes had at the time of the massacre last Friday that left 12 people dead and 58 others wounded. "

except holmes had an AR, a remington pump shotgun, and an unknown 9mm handgun.

at least last time i checked.

oh yeah, sounds similar to me.

^if this dudes AK was semi auto then no, its not an assault rifle. if it had an extended magazine and not the required number of US manufactured parts, then it was not 922r compliant and illegal anyway (still wouldnt be an assault rifle, just a rifle in non-sporting configuration).

i doubt that bumfuck legally had an ASSAULT RIFLE, as you say, in the AK configuration as he doesnt appear to be the type to drop $20k on a gun (or anything for that matter).

the term assault rifle is thrown around in a laughably irresponsible (and ill informed manner).

[Edited on July 24, 2012 at 9:24 PM. Reason : -]

7/24/2012 9:19:50 PM

there used to be a couple of good quizzes that showed pictures of various military-style rifles, and you were to identify which ones were banned under the '94 AWB...it helped show the futility of such a stupid piece of legislation.

I can't find them anymore, though.

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"not the required number of US manufactured parts"

922r is another staggeringly stupid law. Hell that one is even dumber and 10,000x more useless than the AWB, although less of a pain in the ass.

[Edited on July 24, 2012 at 9:42 PM. Reason : ]

7/24/2012 9:20:55 PM

Quote :

"All of the other guns [besides the full auto FN] were legal to own, as long as they were not concealed."

from http://www.pressherald.com/news/Biddeford-man-stopped-with-arsenal-hours-after-Batman-movie.html

Taking this at face value, the AK47 variant that they found in that man's possession was semi-auto only, and thus not an assault rifle

7/24/2012 9:21:37 PM

the article reports that a fully automatic weapon, which was obtained illegally, was found in his home. most folks would define that as an assault rifle.

the folks who wrote that article or possibly the law enforcement agents who reported what was found in the home also apparently do not know the difference between a bipod and a tripod

7/24/2012 9:22:10 PM

Between y0willy0 and NeuseRvrRat, I'm more confused than ever...

7/24/2012 9:23:48 PM

the article doesnt state that the fully automatic weapon and the AK he had were one and the same gun.

sorry emce, ill try to be more clear.

the typical AK that a person can buy legally is just a rifle that resembles and true AK, but really its just a rifle.

...until you add a magazine with more than 10 rounds (or 5 rounds if you live in CA, i believe).

even then its still not an assault rifle, its just an illegal (non 922r compliant rifle), unless it has enough american made parts to be compliant.

and even if it is compliant then its still not an assault rifle because its only semi auto. they are incorrectly referred to as assault rifles because they resemble an AK-47 (which is an assault rifle).

really your average redneck bragging about his AK-47 doesnt truly have an AK-47. if he calls what he has an assault rifle then hes an idiot. they are replicas and nothing more-

[Edited on July 24, 2012 at 9:30 PM. Reason : -]

7/24/2012 9:26:13 PM

it can be very difficult for folks with little general firearms knowledge to understand these differences. that's why i posted the video on the last page. it's old and geared towards addressing the old AWB, but it's still accurate.

7/24/2012 9:26:22 PM

I think I have a better grasp on all of this now. At least the assault weapon was in this guy's closet, and he was only planning on murdering someone with the non-assault weapon.

[Edited on July 24, 2012 at 9:30 PM. Reason : btw, I'm just kidding with you guys. I don't really care about assault weapons.]

7/24/2012 9:30:05 PM

the AWB only punished collectors and hobbyists.

hobbyists not to be confused with sportsmen-

NOTA to be confused with criminals.

7/24/2012 9:33:20 PM

thank you for taking the time to enlighten me

7/24/2012 9:36:50 PM

"AKs" -nigger

7/24/2012 10:06:54 PM

When I say:
I went out and shot my AK-47 last weekend.

What I'm actually saying is:
I went out and shot my WASR 10/63 AK Variant in 7.62x39.

See why we just say AK?

The first would be an assault weapon. The second is a 'sporting rifle'.

[Edited on July 24, 2012 at 10:10 PM. Reason : .]

7/24/2012 10:08:29 PM

I didn't even have to use my semi-automatic hunting rifle
I guess today was a good day

7/24/2012 10:13:53 PM

BATMAN DIES AT THE END OF THE MOVIE

7/24/2012 10:48:23 PM

Quote :

"So the subject doesn't matter, just what a couple of people think about it? If you can refute their opinions or points then guns should be banned/restricted regardless of other opinions or points? I have to say I've argued with many people about firearms laws but this is the first time someone has told me "you're making good points but I'm going to specifically ignore them and argue with those people over there.""

my point was you werent addressing/claiming the points i was arguing against and i dont feel like searching in the thread to find where whoever claimed whatever.

my dismissal was more saying, you were making fair points so i wont argue, i was trying to argue about the ridiculous points from a few pages back. it was mean to be a respectful dismissal.

7/24/2012 10:56:08 PM

Dude, you responded to me first with the statement about revolvers in relation to my numbers on guns used in self defense. I responded to your response and then you say you weren't arguing my points. You've got me confused as shit but whatever.

7/24/2012 11:38:42 PM

Looking back, you are right, I started it. I was using your post to argue a point that was only tangentially related.

7/24/2012 11:42:06 PM

Question about the AWB. If it were reinstated, is it just to prevent future purchases? Would current owners still be allowed to keep their guns or would they be repossessed. And how would one prove their gun was purchased pre-AWB vs. post-AWB.

[Edited on July 25, 2012 at 12:24 AM. Reason : thanks]

7/25/2012 12:24:00 AM

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"I don't like guns."

I don't like cigarettes. You do realize they kill far more people per year than guns.... right? Do you see me trying to ban them? No.

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" I don't think they serve any constructive purpose in a modern society. I'd like to see legislation enacted that would severely limit their availability and criminalize possession. "

And this is where you begin going wrong. Hunting, recreational shooting, self-defense are all constructive purposes. Just because you don't like the doesn't mean shit.

7/25/2012 1:19:31 AM

you can tell this guy didn't know shit about guns nor did he have one very long

being that his ar jammed its probably not even broken in yet.

and anyone that knows shit would know the huge mags jam way more than a normal mag.

good thing cause 100 rounds of .223 would have left an ugly mess.

7/25/2012 1:42:56 AM

reminds me of the largest bank shootout in LA and the guy's AK jamming which caused him to get killed......sometimes divine intervention is great !!

7/25/2012 1:46:47 AM

Only calmac's opinions are valid.

7/25/2012 8:01:21 AM

Quote :

"Question about the AWB. If it were reinstated, is it just to prevent future purchases? Would current owners still be allowed to keep their guns or would they be repossessed. And how would one prove their gun was purchased pre-AWB vs. post-AWB. "

prevention of future purchases, and no, they dont take your guns.

7/25/2012 8:26:55 AM

Quote :

"Question about the AWB. If it were reinstated, is it just to prevent future purchases? Would current owners still be allowed to keep their guns or would they be repossessed. And how would one prove their gun was purchased pre-AWB vs. post-AWB."

i can't see the future, so i have no idea. here's what happened under the old law:

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"Possession of illegally imported or manufactured firearms was outlawed as well, but the law did not ban the possession or sale of pre-existing "assault weapons" or previously factory standard magazines which had been legally redefined as "large capacity ammunition feeding devices". This provision for "pre-ban" firearms created a higher price point in the market for such items, which still exist due to several states adoption of their own assault weapons ban."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

7/25/2012 8:27:12 AM

^ This is why a gun ban not a loose law is needed. The assault weapons ban did nothing but make assault rifles expensive.

7/25/2012 8:29:34 AM

^^there we go - I remember buying 'pre-ban' high-capacity magazines at gun shows during that time period.

[Edited on July 25, 2012 at 8:30 AM. Reason : -]

7/25/2012 8:30:05 AM

Quote :

"pistol vs the AR-15 as a home defense weapon, but i will provide a hint: the AR-15 is superior."

Go with option 3, an 18" barrel, pistol grip shotgun. The ultimate point and shoot weapon and it wont go through your house and your neighbor's house. You can load it with different types of shot to meet your needs.
Pistol = personal defense
Shotgun = inside the home defense
AR-15= outside the home defense and everything else

7/25/2012 8:40:48 AM

^ lol, no.

And this is coming from someone who has a pistLOL grip shotgun. Proper AR HD ammo is pretty good about avoiding over penetration.

7/25/2012 8:48:06 AM

sweet, still going.

Don't turn this thread into a HD firearm pissing contest. Everyone has their "this is best".

FWIW, shotguns are better for HD.

[Edited on July 25, 2012 at 8:52 AM. Reason : .]

7/25/2012 8:51:21 AM

I knew someone would take exception to the pistol grip! use full stock or collapsible stock.
I like the pistol grip because its easier to maneuver in indoors/small places.
I'm talking home defense, not a long protracted battle.

7/25/2012 8:54:01 AM

I prefer butt + pistol combo stock.

anywho... back to the show

7/25/2012 8:59:23 AM

I have one so I am not hating too much, I can hit whatever I need in my house with one but I could be just as accurate, if not more, with my AR and saying it would over penetrate is foolishness.

7/25/2012 9:00:05 AM

imo, for home defense, the AR15 seems excessive....even the shotgun could be hard to maneuver through hallways/doors with it's length and size

personally, i'd keep the G19 with 30 round extension handy.....if i really needed shotgun firepower, then the saiga-12

7/25/2012 9:27:09 AM

I will thwart any home intruder with love and understanding.

7/25/2012 9:28:16 AM

Whatever you feel is your best defense.

7/25/2012 9:28:57 AM

Quote :

"I don't like cigarettes. You do realize they kill far more people per year than guns.... right? Do you see me trying to ban them? No."

You do realize that this is a retarded analogy?

7/25/2012 9:29:13 AM

Whatever happened to being a man and using your hands. Cowards use/keep guns. Are you a coward?


















HELL YES.

[Edited on July 25, 2012 at 9:30 AM. Reason : I support a ban on anything that does not contribute to the betterment of this utopia called earth. ]

7/25/2012 9:29:31 AM

^^ what type of people are you running with that you fear you may need 30 bullets to stop a home invasion??

7/25/2012 9:29:51 AM

I got that CPI Security hook up

7/25/2012 9:30:53 AM

Oh, is that the system that comes with 2 bodyguards? Cool

Quote :

"what type of people are you running with that you fear you may need 30 bullets to stop a home invasion??"

Why does it matter? If he wants that many, then he should have that many.

[Edited on July 25, 2012 at 9:33 AM. Reason : .]

7/25/2012 9:31:50 AM

Quote :

"what type of people are you running with that you fear you may need 30 bullets to stop a home invasion"

it's not like the 30 round is that much longer in size than the standard 15 and it doesn't shoot any differently, so why not....i'd rather be safe than dead esp if there's more than one intruder

7/25/2012 9:42:30 AM

The right of the people to have as many of whatever they want to have shall not be infringed.

7/25/2012 9:44:27 AM

Quote :

"Why does it matter? If he wants that many, then he should have that many."

I'm assuming he doesn't like the idea of being overmatched - and thinks it should be a fair fight between homeowner and invader.

I on the other hand prefer to display an overwhelming show of force, to not only dissuade a potential invader from any further aggression, but to tip the scale in my favor dramatically

7/25/2012 9:44:44 AM

So your arsenal of guns is gonna save you if I'm in your bedroom while you're sleep?

I bet I can slit your throat before you think about your guns.

7/25/2012 9:49:10 AM

That's a possibility. It's also a possibility that I was awakened by you kicking down a door. Or bust through a window. Or when the alarm went off. Or maybe I'm not asleep. All types of possibilities. No one is saying that having a firearm will always save you.

7/25/2012 9:51:04 AM

you'd have to get past my alarm system first - aka, my 3 rottweilers

7/25/2012 9:53:00 AM