U confusing me with someone not happy United lost.

3/5/2013 8:10:01 PM

I thought the red card was jolly justified. You can't act like a common hooligan on the pitch like that, not during a Last-16 football tie. Think of the Queen before you show your bollocks on national telly.

3/5/2013 8:16:11 PM

^ lol

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"Harsh? Yes. Wrong/terrible/stupid call? Absolutely not. The ref was justified in making that call. After all, so much is left to the judgement of referees in this game. Nanis boot is at Arbeloa's chest! People scream for reds on 50/50s when both players slide and studs come up in the act of the slide. As if that is somehow worse than what Nani pulled. Sure, Nani was playing the ball but you still have to be aware of your surroundings. "

I'm glad you said this so it didn't look like it was all trolling from me when I say what I'm about to say but I've been watching a ton of replays and it's really not that shocking of a decision. It's extremely harsh in a game like this and it definitely looked a lot worse than it was.

But if the ref can't really tell where Nani is looking/anticipating, then all he's seeing is a studs up boot to the stomach. At the very least, it would have been a yellow so going from a definite yellow to a questionable red isn't really that much of a leap. He should have gotten help from his assistant, or did he?

[Edited on March 5, 2013 at 8:40 PM. Reason : DasAStack - who do you support?]

3/5/2013 8:35:40 PM

^

The replays only show the second when Nani 'seems' to kick the guy. If you look at the whole play it was a 50-50 ball, with Nani going for it fair and square. Absolutely NO intent of foul play.

Vidic got hit by the goalkeeper going for the header out of the corner. Was that a red?

3/5/2013 9:00:32 PM

Just for a little frame of reference, this was a straight red given in the first NLD as compared to what happened today. Unless you got red tinted glasses you can see how a ref could send off Nani today because his is much worse. You are at the mercy of the ref if your studs are up. Bottom line.

3/5/2013 9:14:40 PM

Lol. Its amazing to me how some people think that was a terrible call.

Harsh? Yes. Wrong/terrible/stupid call? Absolutely not. The ref was justified in making that call.

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"After all, so much is left to the judgement of referees in this game. Nanis boot is at Arbeloa's chest! People scream for reds on 50/50s when both players slide and studs come up in the act of the slide. As if that is somehow worse than what Nani pulled. Sure, Nani was playing the ball but you still have to be aware of your surroundings. wazza, the book says no further action is necessary, but that doesn't mean you CAN'T give the red if the ref judges it to be bad enough. But I shouldn't bother. You're already telling others that if they disagree they are either a troll or simply hate United. Categories in which I classify myself as neither. Also, very classy by Rio. I thought the United mentality was above such childish bitching."

It was clearly the chest, clear as day.
If you didn't already know, Rio apologized to the ref 30 seconds later and shook his hand. Misinformed much? He shouldn't have done so but that's a different story.
Also can you kindly explain then that if Nani deserves that card then why doesn't Lopez for his punch on Vidic? I can't wait to hear your non answer, cop out reasoning for this one.

3/5/2013 9:19:09 PM

Ribs you are comparing a two footed challenge to a one footed challenge that is clearly going for the ball. You want to compare? How about Torres going in much harder on Cleverley?



This was a yellow card. I can do this all day.

3/5/2013 9:22:00 PM

The MAD has completely clouded your mind wazza

Studs up bro. Stay in denial though. Its funnier to the rest of us that way.

Torres should have gotten red too.

3/5/2013 9:30:34 PM

haha. Ok. Yes I am mad but at least I can objectively call a foul regardless of who its on. As I said you are clearly trolling to illicit a response, its fine. The best teams in the world always have their haters, makes it much sweeter when we win and rub it in their collective faces. I would love to see Gareth Bale in a similar situation on Thursday night and get sent off for it. The fact is, if this was your team you would be up in arms over it like a petulant schoolboy.

[Edited on March 5, 2013 at 9:36 PM. Reason : .]

3/5/2013 9:35:13 PM

By my count there are currently 14 clubs better than united atm.

3/5/2013 9:45:39 PM

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"The fact is, if this was your team you would be up in arms over it like a petulant schoolboy. "

like what you're doing?

3/5/2013 9:49:14 PM

Well by that logic the spurs are clearly in the shithole.

Also, I am hardly doing that. I am just arguing your misinformed view. Unlike you I get that decisions can go your way and some can go against. Today it went against us and it cost us. But its hilarious when people spew shit like oh that was a clear red card when it clearly wasn't. Not one person has come up with an answer for the Lopez punch. I guess avoiding the topic is better than contradicting the premise of your argument.

[Edited on March 5, 2013 at 9:53 PM. Reason : .]

3/5/2013 9:50:29 PM

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"Torres should have gotten red too"

If I'm not mistaken he later did that game. For diving even though be got clipped on the play.

You win some, you lose some.

3/5/2013 9:55:07 PM

^ Well according to the logic of the posters on here he should have had red 20 minutes before that happened so its a non issue really. Something he deserved anyway.

[Edited on March 5, 2013 at 10:00 PM. Reason : .]

3/5/2013 9:59:58 PM

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"I am just arguing your misinformed view."

To be clear, I actually agree with you that it wasn't a red. All I said up near the top of this page is I understand why the referee may have seen it differently.

Your misinformed view was that the tie was over once the red card happened. There was 30 minutes for United to keep Madrid out and it didn't even take 10. And I would be a little disappointed with that if I were United fan instead of laying it all at the feet of the referee. That's all.

3/5/2013 10:00:12 PM

^ Like you did when Evans deserved a red along with Shelvey during the Liverpool game right? United is disadvantaged after getting a man unfairly sent off. I don't understand how that is to spur us on to win against a team like Madrid? Also as I have mentioned earlier we did step it up after the 15 minute spell where Madrid took the lead. You conveniently ignore that.

[Edited on March 5, 2013 at 10:03 PM. Reason : .]

3/5/2013 10:01:40 PM

YOU WERE ALREADY WINNING


Just went back and looked at what I said about Shelvey. What's your point?

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"dumb tackle, even if it was red worthy or not. Shelvey sucks."

[Edited on March 5, 2013 at 10:08 PM. Reason : .]

3/5/2013 10:04:51 PM

and we had 35 minutes still to play. Madrid will have lots of open space to exploit when they are a man up. They were already throwing the kitchen sink at us, we couldn't afford to be down a man on top of that. United didn't capitulate, Madrid took advantage. There is a reason they didn't pose a threat to our goal up until after the red card. The red card (deserved or undeserved) influenced the result, there is no way around it. The result could have been the same without that red but at least it would have been a fair one.

3/5/2013 10:07:36 PM

jesus christ, of course it influenced the game. All I'm saying is that I expected some resolve from United with a lead at home in a European game. They immediately conceded not once, but twice.

Yeah they had some chances late but the game was fucking over at that point.

3/5/2013 10:10:11 PM

Well thats your opinion, so be it. I will disagree, and so will many united fans. Tonight's performance and that first leg performance was top class. Better team tactically and collectively. Madrid can have their individual players. They are hardly what they are made out to be, Dortmund or Bayern will turn them over barring any further refereeing cock ups.

3/5/2013 10:23:34 PM

United was very good in both legs 11v11. I totally agree.

Actually much better than most of what I've seen from them in the PL this year.

3/5/2013 10:25:19 PM

^ I think that speaks more about the premiership. Its just a tough league to navigate through 38 games. Teams get stuck in and the relegation battle around this time always makes for some interesting results. But yea, I would say we approached this tie vs Madrid very sound in terms of tactics. Probably only match where we were better was Man City away.

3/5/2013 10:28:49 PM

Lol. Omg this page is full of typical crap I here from all sorts of biased fans from all sorts of different sports fans.

First to aimmorris who asked who I support. The honest answer is...I don't have a team yet. I love the game but I find myself supporting players and I've just struggled to latch on to a team. Probably a bit weird but I find it difficult to throw my support behind a team I have no connection to. I also find that it helps me avoid biases which makes the game that much more entertaining to me. Eventually I'll find a team though, I bet.

Secondly, to Wazza. You are some kind of special fan aren't you? The two blurry gifs you posted of Nani's tackle are after a post containing a "clear as day" gif. Next, if you weren't busy being such a dickhead, you'd notice that Nanis boot would technically be ABOVE Arbeloa's shoulder level IF Arbeloa had not jumped. THAT is only to give you perspective. Something I can see you intentionally lack. Furthermore, Nani still makes contact with Arbeloa's ribs. So I'm sorry if you wanted to nitpick on a few inches. Are YOUR ribs far away from your chest? Didn't think so.

And I will provide a response to your idiotic comparison of the Lopez "punch" even though your idiocy doesn't deserve the dignity of a response. Goalies go for the ball all the time in the box. That is entirely different and had it been the other way I know you wouldn't dare question De Gea if he made contact with a defender. Goalies have always been protected. The fact that you repeatedly bring this "punch" up shows how truly desperate you are.

Lastly, to finish off the wazza dismantling, the fact that you claim the adebayor tackle is a straight red because of a "two footed tackle" and fail to see that Nani's challenge for the ball also has him with two feet off the ground and therefore is just as worse in that regard means you simply don't care to see anything other than what your bias allows.

And to think you're telling others that they would be behaving like a petulant schoolboy too if it happened to their team. LOL. What an argument! Bravo mi amigo.

3/5/2013 10:59:22 PM

damn there's a lot of funny up in here

3/6/2013 1:29:19 AM

ManU fans are seriously the easiest to troll. They don't know how to lose.

3/6/2013 3:02:26 AM

Roy Keane knows a spinning heel kick when he sees one

3/6/2013 6:34:12 AM

hahahahaa Dasastack. Thank you for making my day. Your non answer is brilliant mate. Beauty. Goal keepers are protected and are allowed to punch a player but an outfield player isn't allowed to go for the ball? Do the beautiful game a favor and stay away from it. We don't need idiotic imbeciles like you. The simple fact is, both players are going for the ball. So if they goal keepers have a history of being protected, so do outfield players who don't use excessive force. Unless of course you are saying Nani used excessive force, which would just further prove you are an absolute idiot.

I have a pretty good idea of who you are and this isn't the first time you have trolled either. aimorris he is a liverpool fan.

Anyway I am done arguing this decision, shit happens in football and on another night it might just go for us....

Celtic vs Juve (This is rather straight forward)
PSG vs Valencia (Valencia have an outside chance, Beckham to make his return?)

3/6/2013 10:01:11 AM

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"aimorris he is a liverpool fan."

Pathetic.

3/6/2013 10:02:40 AM

^ I thought you were a pool fan?

3/6/2013 10:04:35 AM

I am but that literally has nothing to do with Nani's red card and the two goals that followed.

3/6/2013 10:06:18 AM

^ I am telling you dasastack is a pool fan, since you asked. Not that you are one, I already knew that....

[Edited on March 6, 2013 at 10:09 AM. Reason : .]

3/6/2013 10:09:16 AM

haha whoops, my bad. I read that as "dasastack, you are trolling. As for aimorris, I know he is a liverpool fan (so I expected trolling)"

I'll stop trying to argue with you now.

[Edited on March 6, 2013 at 10:13 AM. Reason : .]

3/6/2013 10:12:41 AM

^I didn't exactly word it properly. But yea I have a very good idea of who he is. Took me a bit to figure out but his post history points to only one person. And not everyone is trolling. Ribs and dasastack for the most part. IMstoned has it right, I am easy to troll after a loss like that.... After sleeping on it I can understand what you were saying aimorris.

[Edited on March 6, 2013 at 10:17 AM. Reason : .]

3/6/2013 10:15:22 AM

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"And I will provide a response to your idiotic comparison of the Lopez "punch" even though your idiocy doesn't deserve the dignity of a response. Goalies go for the ball all the time in the box. That is entirely different and had it been the other way I know you wouldn't dare question De Gea if he made contact with a defender. Goalies have always been protected. The fact that you repeatedly bring this "punch" up shows how truly desperate you are. "

The goalie-Vidic point was made to show how the ridiculousness of the posters siding with the red card to Nani . Of course the punch is not a foul and that refs should and do not follow the letter of the law. Yellow was the right call there, not red.


Anyways, I'm done, enough of getting trolled now.

3/6/2013 1:37:03 PM

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"I love the game but I find myself supporting players and I've just struggled to latch on to a team. Probably a bit weird but I find it difficult to throw my support behind a team I have no connection to."

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"I have a pretty good idea of who you are and this isn't the first time you have trolled either. aimorris he is a liverpool fan."

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"But yea I have a very good idea of who he is. Took me a bit to figure out but his post history points to only one person."

Strange. Interesting that you were able to use 20 posts to determine who a complete stranger is....

Would it just make you feel better if I were a Liverpool fan so you could try to claim I just hate United? That's a bit desperate man.

Not that I should really bother but, Nani is one the players I support and enjoy watching. Along with many others. I don't think Nani was stupid or anything to go for that ball. He lost awareness for a moment and it cost him. I think the ref was justified in making that call based on the play.

Finally, I'll say that I highly doubt you know me considering I don't personally know any United fans. I've met several, but for one of them to remember me would be kind of awkward.

3/6/2013 6:38:48 PM

Quote :

"The goalie-Vidic point was made to show how the ridiculousness of the posters siding with the red card to Nani . Of course the punch is not a foul and that refs should and do not follow the letter of the law. Yellow was the right call there, not red. Anyways, I'm done, enough of getting trolled now. "

That's a poor way of showing that....

The play in the box has always been ruled differently. Defenders literally wrap arms around attackers and bring them down on corners and no fouls are given. Saying a goalie made contact with an attacker in the box doesn't prove anything. That's the way the game has been.

I'm not sure why people are trying to use that as an argument all of a sudden.

3/6/2013 6:44:02 PM

Bale is basically unstoppable

3/7/2013 3:22:05 PM

Only he can stop himself. By diving. And missing the second leg.

3/7/2013 3:25:12 PM

2-0

Fans singing "Are you Arsenal in disguise?" right now haha

3/7/2013 3:27:45 PM

It should have been at least 5-0

3/7/2013 4:55:18 PM

easily

Tons of chances created that second half.

We should be through with that lead, though. Inter look so inept on the attack.

3/7/2013 5:04:43 PM

LOL, no one cares about the Europa!

3/7/2013 6:13:31 PM

In what European competition is your team competing?

3/7/2013 6:22:39 PM

Again, no one cares about the Europa!

3/7/2013 6:25:11 PM

That's what I thought, they aren't.

[Edited on March 7, 2013 at 6:46 PM. Reason : ]

3/7/2013 6:46:39 PM

More like the CBI of soccer...

3/7/2013 7:23:04 PM

This clown must be a fucking Liverpool fan.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2013/mar/08/manchester-united-nani-red-card

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"Whatever the injustice of the situation in which Sir Alex Ferguson's team found themselves they should have remembered that the first thing to do when a player has been lost is do nothing in particular for a time, just try to keep possession and reorganise to meet the altered circumstances. Yes, United were hanging on to a one-goal lead against a Real team fresh from beating Barcelona twice in less than a week. The task was always going to be demanding but few, if anybody, among their supporters could have imagined they would ever see a Manchester United team trapped in its own penalty area at Old Trafford for some 15 minutes with little idea of how to escape. The aftermath of Tuesday's defeat has been largely taken up with the repercussions of Ferguson's refusal to appear for the post-match interviews, a silence that bellowed its significance, and the future of Wayne Rooney, who was reduced to a walk-on part. Yet the shortcomings of United's reaction to the crisis and the questions it has raised about the team's true qualities at this level are surely more important."

3/9/2013 9:20:21 AM

^ still clinging on to the same reasoning. Sir Alex gambled by not making immediate changes. Its a fast paced match and you risk upsetting the defense by making changes right away. At the same time it could have paid off if he had decided to put on Evans. The second goal was a soft goal to give away and I will give you that but your implication that United losing after going down to 10 men was a sign that they gave up is ridiculous. Also I find that last line from the author to be quiet hilarious.

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"Yet the shortcomings of United's reaction to the crisis and the questions it has raised about the team's true qualities at this level are surely more important."

True qualities at this level? Madrid had a 15 minute spell over two legs where they won the tie. United had the brunt of the refereeing decisions go against them over BOTH legs and were still the better team aside from a 15 minute spell. Yet he has the gall to question our performance at this level. Incredible.

3/9/2013 12:45:41 PM

I mean, you can disagree all you want.

Just pointing out my opinion is not trolling, Liverpool bias, and/or because I'm a clown.

3/9/2013 12:55:31 PM

^ I am not saying you are trolling, when did I say you were? If you were I wouldn't bother arguing with you. Its easy to pass judgements when you aren't the one making them. Just saying that the notion that United gave up is completely ridiculously. You can cite Chelsea against Barca as an example but Chelsea were thoroughly outplayed after Terry's red card. Barca even hit the post and had a penalty. Chelsea was incredibly lucky and every CL winner has had some luck. Just as Real Madrid would have if they were to win this year.

[Edited on March 9, 2013 at 1:20 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on March 9, 2013 at 1:22 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2013 1:19:59 PM