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8/28/2013 3:53:35 PM

TreeTwista10
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"I just asked Siri where the nearest churches were"


I could do voice searches on my Android 3 years ago

8/28/2013 3:58:40 PM

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aww, your first friend

8/28/2013 4:01:02 PM

TreeTwista10
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is that supposed to be trolling? you're much better than that

8/28/2013 4:02:42 PM

dtownral
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no, it was congratulatory

8/28/2013 4:04:55 PM

TreeTwista10
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my android is my first friend? no, you're much better at trolling, you aren't even trying anymore are you

8/28/2013 4:05:41 PM

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i guess i wasn't trying that hard to be congratulatory

8/28/2013 4:09:52 PM

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"Colin Campbell ?@RaleighReporter 2h

#Raleigh council committee says no further police action, no permits required until nonprofit groups meet to plan longer-term arrangement."

8/28/2013 8:24:45 PM

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^^ so much for your letter you honkey asshole

8/28/2013 8:27:55 PM

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^^
hey it's what i said they should do

8/28/2013 8:32:17 PM

TreeTwista10
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bahahahaha

[Edited on August 28, 2013 at 8:39 PM. Reason : DEY TURK UR PERKS]

8/28/2013 8:38:55 PM

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"Council could waive permits for groups feeding homeless at Moore Square"


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"RALEIGH, N.C. — Days after volunteers said they were threatened with arrest for feeding homeless people in Raleigh's Moore Square, a City Council committee on Wednesday agreed to allow charitable groups to feed homeless people in the historic park without a permit.

Mary Ann Baldwin, chairwoman of the council's Law and Public Safety Committee, said she expects the action to hold up when the full council votes, but that decision could be weeks away.

City leaders heard from the community at a committee meeting Wednesday afternoon about recent enforcement of an ordinance that prohibits the distribution of food in the city's parks without a permit.

The law has been on the books since 1998, but Loves Wins Ministries in Raleigh says it's been passing out meals to the homeless in Moore Square for six years without a problem.

Police Chief Cassandra Deck-Brown said she met with officers on Friday to discuss raising awareness about the ordinance and instructed them to educate volunteers about park rules.

"It was clear in the meeting on Friday and to those engaged in the park that no citations would be issued, no arrests would be made," she said.

Several volunteers, however, said they were told several times over the weekend as they moved from the square to an empty lot near it that they would be arrested if they didn't stop passing out the food and leave the area.

The groups question why the law is suddenly being enforced and allege that downtown business owners want to keep homeless people from congregating in Moore Square.

Interim City Manager Perry James, however, has said the enforcement stems from a litter and rodent problem in the area.

Deck-Brown said Wednesday that the issue also comes down to safety. Since 2011, she said, there were 3,455 calls for service at Moore Square, compared to 536 calls at another downtown green space, Nash Park, over the same time period.

"We clearly know we cannot arrest, nor do we desire to arrest, our way out of any of this," she said."


http://www.wral.com/council-could-waive-permits-for-groups-feeding-homeless-at-moore-square/12828039/








8/28/2013 10:18:24 PM

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"i saw this homeless fuck get his black ass thrown into the street because he kept aggressively approaching people minding their own business

that shit was funny with his tweakin ass

ive warned that fucker bout 5 different times toi watch how he approached people.

hed be at the top of my list for "relocation""


serious question: do black homeless/bums in Raleigh do meth?

In Oakland, crack is still king, with heroin being a close second.

8/28/2013 10:23:41 PM

BigHitSunday
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They on that fucking pipe or they are off their prescription meds

It's a crap shoot

8/28/2013 10:26:46 PM

Sayer
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congrats bleeding hearts

Jesus Biscuits for all

8/29/2013 7:34:30 AM

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this is just the public safety council, city management is driving the push to clean up the park. have no worries that love wins is getting kicked out of the park.

8/29/2013 7:36:55 AM

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Just curious, how do you know the bums' drugs of choice?

8/29/2013 10:07:22 AM

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he sells it to them, duh.

8/29/2013 10:16:56 AM

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IN SIMILAR NEWS

My boyfriend tried to poison me with trans fat laden biscuits (3g per serving!!!!!), so I dubbed them beelzebub biscuits.

I threw them away and am making biscuits from scratch.

8/29/2013 5:11:05 PM

Kurtis636
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That doesn't roll off the tongue very well. Why not beelzebiscuits?

8/29/2013 5:15:07 PM

Smath74
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or biscuitbubs?

8/29/2013 8:10:08 PM

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"waive permits for one group" to make embarrassing news go away => Opens city to a costly lawsuit over a selectively enforced law.

8/30/2013 12:31:07 AM

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"I threw them away and am making biscuits from scratch using a shitload of Crisco."

8/30/2013 4:42:48 AM

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yeah no

no trans fats in my biscuit recipe

and they were delicious... slightly more dense than a traditional biscuit, but delicious

8/30/2013 9:37:53 AM

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Don't say trans, lewisje will show up

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

8/30/2013 9:50:18 AM

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Biggie Smalls.
Biggie Smalls.
Biggie Smalls.

8/30/2013 10:11:30 AM

TreeTwista10
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So I assume Love Wins fed the homeless again over the weekend? Must've been so horrible for people who lived nearby to have to witness that filth.

9/2/2013 9:21:54 PM

TreeTwista10
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can't wait for all those filthy pieces of shit to not starve to death this weekend

Love Wins ftw

9/6/2013 1:34:56 PM

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Raleigh is allowing them for the time being while arrangements are made for another facility

9/6/2013 1:43:09 PM

begonias
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Who wants to get a biscuit with me this weekend? Totally serious.

9/6/2013 1:46:06 PM

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How do you proove you're homeless? Just show up looking like a hipster?

9/6/2013 1:48:03 PM

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Can we throw them at homeless people or is that considered feeding them... Or assault


Or if they have trans fat is it assault with a deadly biscuit ?

Also


<3

9/6/2013 1:48:15 PM

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I have plans for this weekend, but instead of getting biscuits I think you guys should bring a nice blanket and picnic set and just setup camp right in front of them and video yourselves trying to enjoy a nice picnic in the park on a pretty weekend day while being harassed and solicited by homeless and panhandlers.

9/6/2013 1:50:47 PM

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The plot thickens:

http://lovewins.info/2013/09/emails-raleigh-leaders-plotted-to-criminalize-feeding-poor/

9/14/2013 4:25:04 PM

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"In the last three weeks, we have had meetings with all of these people, and all of whom assured us that there was no conspiracy or plot to “clean up” Moore Square, or to only allow the “right” people to enjoy it. We now know that not to be the case, and that as far back as February of this year the Parks and Recreation Department laid the groundwork for such a “clean up.” In a meeting this past Thursday, one of the people mentioned in the article interrupted me mid-sentence to let me know she cared about all the people of Raleigh."


GOD FORBID WE TRY TO IMPROVE OUR CITY

9/14/2013 4:32:38 PM

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"An article released last night by News & Observer reporter Colin Campbell revealed that City of Raleigh officials at the highest levels plotted for months to to find "legal" ways to keep people who wish to help the poor out of Moore Square Park.

This is in direct contradiction to public statements by Police Chief Deck-Brown, Community Oriented Government Coordinator Dana Youst, who works for Raleigh Parks and Recreation, and her boss, Diane Sauer, who heads up Parks and Recreation. The consistent message from all of them was that there was no effort to keep poor people out of Moore Square.

In the last three weeks, we have had meetings with all of these people, and all of whom assured us that there was no conspiracy or plot to "clean up" Moore Square, or to only allow the "right" people to enjoy it. We now know that not to be the case, and that as far back as February of this year the Parks and Recreation Department laid the groundwork for such a "clean up." In a meeting this past Thursday, one of the people mentioned in the article interrupted me mid-sentence to let me know she cared about all the people of Raleigh.

Not, apparently, those who are poor, or those who seek to help them.

The emails also reveal that Sauer changed park policies on the advice of the Raleigh Police Department to allow indiscriminate banning of classes of people, and that she sought legal counsel to find ways to ban food distribution on public sidewalks.

Apparently, the Raleigh City Council was not notified of either the policy changes that Sauer implemented, or the desire of Parks and Recreation to ban food distribution.

More Questions

In the past three weeks, we thought we were working with the City to develop answers, but now we are left with only more questions. For example:

- Why are the emails missing for the two weeks prior to our being thrown out of the park? What would those emails show that the City does not want the public to know?

- We are three weeks after the day food distribution was shut down when the Raleigh Police Department threatened to arrest multiple people, from multiple groups, over an entire day. Chief Deck-Brown's only public comment has been that she told the officers the day before to not arrest anyone. Why will the Raleigh Police Department not acknowledge that the event even happened, let alone hold anyone responsible for disobeying orders?

- It is obvious that there was a long-term plot to criminalize the poor and to run off those who seek to help the poor, despite the consistent assurances by City staff that there was no plot. And now that emails are missing - emails that are part of the public record, by the way - it appears there is an effort to cover that plot up. In light of this, what does interim City Manager Perry James intend to do about it?

- Why was the City Council not notified of policy changes around who Diane Sauer will allow to use city parks? Why did the Raleigh Police Department push for those policy changes?

Choreographed Betrayal

I suppose that if a police officer threatens to arrest a pastor for sharing food with hungry people, I shouldn't be surprised that other City staff also conspired to push poor folks out of the same public park, or that they conveniently can't find the emails from the time period of the premeditated crackdown. But this is where we find ourselves, in a City whose staff systematically disenfranchises poor people and writes orders to profile its most vulnerable citizens for the sake of... well, themselves.

When we reported that a Raleigh police officer threatened to arrest me for sharing food on a Moore Square sidewalk, the world responded, and we have spent the last three weeks building relationships within the City administration as we answer our call to advocacy and reconciliation. Now we understand why the meetings were going so well. The Parks and Recreation staff had more more to hide than we realized, and they wanted to keep it that way.

I have a feeling that the meetings will be more tense from now on.

The City's next move to satisfy the seemingly predetermined conclusion to their public relations and policy nightmare is a public meeting on Monday, September 16, in Marbles Kids Museum, the president of which openly voiced her disapproval of food distribution in Moore Square at the Law and Public Safety Committee hearing on August 28. She also asserted in her statement that the business the museum has brought to Raleigh is more valuable than the people who hang out in Moore Square.

Oh, and this is the third year in a row that Marbles has received funding from the City of Raleigh Arts Council. So you tell me if this seems choreographed to you.

Because the deck is stacked against us, it’s important that people like you show up at the meeting to support the rights of those of us who are poor. Meeting time and exact location are here.

The meeting's format will differ from that of a public hearing. What we know is that the audience will split into small groups, each with a facilitator, maps, easels, and a City employee documenting the conversation. We're not sure who the facilitators will be. The small groups will brainstorm. We're also not sure where or to whom that information will go.

It's important to remember that the meeting is only about food distribution. It's not about shelters, transportation, or health care. Knowing that, a few key ideas to keep in mind while in your small group:

- This is a geographical issue. It is not acceptable that distribution locations exist solely or even primarily in areas off of the bus line, like north Raleigh, or in areas already struggling with poverty, like southeast Raleigh. We will not accept a solution that further pushes poor people out of the downtown core, and we certainly won't let the City push people into the largely ignored part of town just because it thinks that poor folks already fit in better there anyway.

- The temporary non-enforcement of the ordinance prohibiting sharing food in the park is just that-- temporary. Another decision will come at the November 26 City Council meeting. It is by no means a long-term, sustainable solution ignoring and devaluing Raleigh's most vulnerable citizens for decades.

- By not already having installed a weekend food distribution solution, the City has shifted the burden to the private sector. Namely, nonprofits and religious groups. The City has refused to claim its most vulnerable citizens, and then it placed constraints on the very people who try to pick up its slack. Most of whom, by the way, are also citizens of Raleigh and pay the taxes to keep up Moore Square. The City needs to take ownership of a weekend food distribution solution instead of disempowering the people who try to show compassion for their hungry neighbors.

At some point the City will form a task force of interested organizations that will meet three times before the November 26 City Council meeting. The task force will make recommendations to the City Council on how it should handle the apparently very complicated issue of making sure that all of its citizens are taken care of.

Remaining Hopeful

We are, as you can imagine, beyond frustrated. No one likes being lied to. No one likes being the target of a systemic plot to keep you out. No one likes to think they live in a city where that would be tolerated, let alone carried out by City officials.

Regardless we remain prisoners of hope. We hope that the City will call the plotters into account. We hope for the day when the only hope of the hungry is not some church lady from the 'burbs to bring a sandwich. Heck, we hope for a day when there are no hungry. But right now, we are just captivated with the hope that one day we will see a Raleigh that is for everyone.
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9/14/2013 4:57:40 PM

TreeTwista10
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lol at Raleigh wanting to be a big boy city

9/14/2013 5:13:01 PM

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^^ what a bunch of fucking assclowns

seriously, is demanding special exemption from the law not enough for the jesus biscuit crowd? Now they have to do it wearing tinfoil hats too?

"Oh noes! You have a problem with us lowering your property values, increasing trash & waste in a concentrated area, as well as contributing to a rise in rodent & insect population? CONSPIRACY!"

fuckers

9/14/2013 8:28:22 PM

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not to mention spreading disease like rubella, aids, and plague.

9/14/2013 8:44:03 PM

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^^GTFO with that shit

we're dealing with religious people, there's no room for logic

you'd be better off claiming you saw the face of christ in a biscuit and it spoke to you, saying that Love Whines should leave MS

[I tried to find that clip from Idiocracy where Joe stops trying to explain why plants need water and just claims that he can talk to plants... but I can't find one and I'm on the ipizzle]

[Edited on September 14, 2013 at 8:57 PM. Reason : BRAWNDO]

9/14/2013 8:54:53 PM

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they'll start dying off in the next few months once it starts to get cold, no worries

9/14/2013 8:59:15 PM

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"we're dealing with religious people, there's no room for logic "


Church groups were almost exclusively the ones arranging the food events.

You motherfuckers done bumped your heads

9/14/2013 10:57:28 PM

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Religious people believe in some pretty crazy shit. A mythical boogeyman in the sky, if you do bad things you'll spend eternity in some fictional fiery underground lair, its a good gesture to help out broke people who live on the streets with some food every now and then, etc

9/14/2013 10:59:33 PM

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how dogmatic of you

9/14/2013 11:16:46 PM

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9/14/2013 11:20:13 PM

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So, I know people are saying the Jesus Biscuit giveaways are only done on the sidewalks... But I don't see a damn sidewalk in this picture... Just sayin... And here's another sentence that ends with three periods...

9/15/2013 1:10:10 AM

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http://www.redletterchristians.org/emails-raleigh-leaders-plotted-criminalize-feeding-poor/

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"An article released last night by News & Observer reporter Colin Campbell revealed that City of Raleigh officials at the highest levels plotted for months to to find “legal” ways to keep people who wish to help the poor out of Moore Square Park.

This is in direct contradiction to public statements by Police Chief Deck-Brown, Community Oriented Government Coordinator Dana Youst, who works for Raleigh Parks and Recreation, and her boss, Diane Sauer, who heads up Parks and Recreation. The consistent message from all of them was that there was no effort to keep poor people out of Moore Square."

9/15/2013 6:36:03 PM

aaronburro
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Why can't people talk about things like this using words that aren't emotionally charged?

9/15/2013 6:45:22 PM

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"Community Oriented Government Coordinator Dana Youst, who works for Raleigh Parks and Recreation, and her boss, Diane Sauer, who heads up Parks and Recreation. The consistent message from all of them was that there was no effort to keep poor people out of Moore Square.""

lol i know both of them from working at parks and rec.

9/15/2013 7:39:53 PM

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we've been talking about this for months, including in public meetings, its not a secret that we are trying to fix up Moore Square

9/15/2013 8:01:36 PM

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