Can anyone point me to something explaining how compulsory quarantines - especially for the asymptomatic - are legal?

10/29/2014 1:12:49 PM

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/politics/2014/10/ebola_quarantines_can_the_government_really_quarantine_sick_people_without.html

10/29/2014 1:37:44 PM

thanks

10/29/2014 3:28:04 PM

I liked this article in the National Journal.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/white-house/why-we-re-holding-an-ebola-nurse-hostage-20141027

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"The governors don't trust the scientists who oppose a mandatory quarantine for health care professionals exposed to Ebola. The White House doesn't trust the governors. The governors don't trust the White House. Doctors don't trust nurses. Nurses don't trust hospital administrators. Hospital administrators don't trust federal officials, and the Feds don't trust them. Nobody trusts the media. The public trusts nothing."

10/29/2014 5:12:41 PM

The author shouldn't be so quick to dismiss cynicism. This is the direct result of years of political dysfunction.

10/29/2014 6:43:48 PM

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"Because it was a half assed measure by Christie so he could posture in front of the cameras."

I assure you, Chris Christie isn't the one posturing here. This dumb cunt was looking for a fight the moment she got on the ground. And now the fact that she won't even submit to a voluntary quarantine shows who she really is: a selfish, self-righteous prick. If she won't even submit to a voluntary quarantine, which both the US and Maine CDCs recommend, then she should be immediately arrested for criminal negligence and held for two more weeks in protective custody.

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"what's logical about calling a nurse, (who is a legitimate hero) a cunt, for complaining about being forced to be quarantined in a tent without running water, heat, and a bucket to go to the bathroom in?"

The conditions at this point are irrelevant. This stupid bitch won't submit to ANY quarantine, even if it were in the fucking Hilton with room service. I don't disagree that she should placed in something better than an unheated tent in NJ in October. We should find a better way to quarantine these people. But we SHOULD quarantine them, because they are in the single, highest risk category of people to contract the disease.

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"That's what this boils down to, there's no real reason for a non symptomatic person to be held against their will in those conditions, and even if they were sick, that's an unacceptable condition for anyone."

In those conditions? Sure. To be held in a reasonable quarantine? There's plenty of reasons. Number 1, if she DOES become symptomatic, then she's not out in public where she can start vomiting or shitting on people, and thus spreading the disease. She's in Maine, that's not exactly close to the hospital in NJ where she'll receive care, so #2, she's gotta be transported, thus exposing even more people needlessly to the disease. Number 3, not all people will be diligent in making sure they don't become symptomatic; this cunt is a perfect example.

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"haha, burro raging in paragraphs that doctors and nurses that are helping trying to contain the outbreak are selfish "assholes" and "cunts". classic burro."

Yeah, it's not selfish at all to needlessly expose people to fucking EBOLA, just so your feelings aren't hurt. That's not even remotely selfish. Fuck this bitch. She should have her nursing license revoked immediately.

10/29/2014 9:43:20 PM

I can't take aaronburro seriously.

Surely I can't be the only one...

10/29/2014 9:44:46 PM

what exactly is unreasonable about ^^this post? This nurse is definitely being irresponsible. it's awesome that these people volunteer to go and put themselves at risk to help battle the disease, but they should also be willing to quarantine themselves to protect the general population here when they get back.

10/29/2014 9:58:52 PM

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"This dumb cunt"

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"selfish, self-righteous prick"

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"This stupid bitch"

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"this cunt"

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"just so your feelings aren't hurt. That's not even remotely selfish. Fuck this bitch"

[Edited on October 29, 2014 at 11:02 PM. Reason : You must be new here Smath ]

10/29/2014 11:00:49 PM

We weren't quarantining them before the ebola scare and now we are due to public panic? That's pretty dumb. Medical personnel going there and coming back know to self monitor, that's enough in my opinion. We have had zero cases from medical personnel coming back for however long Doctors with Borders have been going over there.

10/29/2014 11:01:06 PM

kind of insane how some who are piling onto health officials, (who are more aware about the disease than almost all, who selflessly go overseas to help combat the disease) are arguing that those same health officials would hypothetically walk around puking and shitting cavalierly onto unsuspecting civilians.

like, that's what they're basing their entire argument on.

how insane is that?

[Edited on October 29, 2014 at 11:55 PM. Reason : .]

10/29/2014 11:53:53 PM

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"are arguing that those same health officials would hypothetically walk around puking and shitting cavalierly onto unsuspecting civilians. like, that's what they're basing their entire argument on. "

It's aaronburro parroting Fox News. What else would you expect?

10/30/2014 1:07:24 AM

well, the nurse is violating her quarantine. going for a bike ride while dripping ebola sweat and snot all over Maine now.

[Edited on October 30, 2014 at 9:27 AM. Reason : ]

10/30/2014 9:26:35 AM

Smells like misogyny in here

10/30/2014 9:36:45 AM

how often does it need to be repeated that if you're not showing symptoms, you're not contagious... and the only way to spread is to directly handle the bodily fluids? I'm pretty sure that as soon as this "selfish", "self-righteous" "prickish" "assholeish" "bitch" of a "cunt" (nurse) would get out of the public if she started feeling sick... and certainly would be careful not to let any unsuspecting people handle her bodily fluids.

holy crap, you'd think the lady diarrhea-ed in burro's cereal.

10/30/2014 9:36:48 AM

Which is all fine and dandy until she starts showing symptoms in Maine and the hospital she needs to go to is in NJ; she can just wave her hand and magically appear at the hospital. It's also all fine and dandy until she wakes up in a fever sweat beside her partner; it's OK, though, sweat isn't a bodily fluid. Given her belligerence so far, I doubt she's even self-monitoring, because she doesn't see the need, because it's all about her, so she just does whatever the hell she wants, consequences be damned. Why spend three weeks in quarantine anywhere when you can go out and have a ball and brag about how you are such a kind and caring person!

10/30/2014 9:51:04 AM

you speak as if you personally know this "cunt"

10/30/2014 9:57:24 AM

^ "dumb cunt"...get it right!

10/30/2014 10:13:50 AM

they DID make a huge mistake sticking a camera in this ladys face

shes just terrible

they could ask her for a statement on burger king bringing back chicken fries and it would make your blood boil

(that being said burro is only angry because tillis is down to kagan and he even voted early)

10/30/2014 10:19:07 AM

It's okay burro, quarantine is a religious issue, not a government one.

10/30/2014 10:43:22 AM

It's clear to everyone who isn't a partisan shill that scientists are massaging data to make ebola appear worse than it really is. Can't get those research dollars and extend UN reach into domestic matters if you don't work everyone into a panicked frenzy, amiright?

Did I do that right?

10/30/2014 11:21:45 AM

you forgot to mention Al Gore.

10/30/2014 11:45:07 AM

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"The nurse, Kaci Hickox, left her house on the edge of Fort Kent just after 9 a.m., biking with her boyfriend, Ted Wilbur, down a quiet paved road, followed closely by two police cars and a caravan of reporters."

...ha.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/31/us/kaci-hickox-nurse-under-ebola-quarantine-takes-bike-ride-defying-maine-officials.html?_r=0

10/30/2014 11:45:24 AM

i think aaronburro just has a problem with women in general

10/30/2014 12:34:56 PM

She should be arrested immediately and guards placed around her house. This is beyond absurd at this point. If she won't submit to reasonable quarantine procedures, then handcuff her to her bed for the next two weeks.

10/30/2014 9:58:59 PM

not a fan of the Constitution, eh?

10/30/2014 10:11:59 PM

What's the justification for quarantining someone who doesn't have a fever, isn't vomiting, or having diarrhea and has repeatedly tested negative for ebola? She needs to be monitored, not quarantined. She wouldn't be contagious until she starts having symptoms.

What you have is people denied their freedom and due process rights for political purposes, and that is not acceptable.


[Edited on October 31, 2014 at 6:39 AM. Reason : ?]

10/31/2014 6:33:02 AM

SHE SHOULD BE SHOT ON SIGHT

EBOLA IS A ZOMBIE DISEASE

10/31/2014 8:14:49 AM

I just read on NPR that in a 1985 poll, 51% of Americans support quarantining people with AIDS. Panic doesn't stop viruses. Vaccines do. Perhaps we should use this panic to prioritize the development of vaccines over boner pills?

10/31/2014 8:32:05 AM

Arrest her and charge her with Treason (or sabotage, or something)!!

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/30/us/ebola-health-workers-controversy/index.html

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""To put me in prison is just inhumane," Hickox said about being placed into an involuntary quarantine after she landed last week at the Newark, New Jersey, airport after working in Sierra Leone. "I just feel like fear is winning right now, and when fear wins, everyone loses.""

10/31/2014 10:14:07 AM

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"Arrest her and charge her with Treason (or sabotage, or something)316 million counts of attempted murder!!"

[Edited on October 31, 2014 at 10:31 AM. Reason : /]

10/31/2014 10:30:49 AM

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"What's the justification for quarantining someone who doesn't have a fever, isn't vomiting, or having diarrhea and has repeatedly tested negative for ebola? She needs to be monitored, not quarantined. She wouldn't be contagious until she starts having symptoms. What you have is people denied their freedom and due process rights for political purposes, and that is not acceptable. "

For some viruses, they can be transmitted without their being symptoms. For Ebola, this is not known to be the case, which is born out by the few cases we've had so far in the US (people in close contact didn't get ebola, but hospital workers contacted with fluids did).

So in the case of ebola, you're exactly right, based on what's known.

Fear and panic are the only reason people are calling for this woman's head, and fear and panic are what have given us some of the worst policies in US history. It's funny how people never seem to learn from history.

10/31/2014 11:08:48 AM

It's also Election Season

10/31/2014 11:21:40 AM

A judge told to governor to go pound sand, so maybe this story can die.

10/31/2014 2:10:44 PM

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/kaci-hickox-humbled-maine-judges-ebola-ruling-n238326

Can come and go as she pleases, but has to stay away from crowded places.

10/31/2014 4:06:54 PM

turns out this nurse had a roommate in africa WITH EBOLA

10/31/2014 4:40:49 PM

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/10/31/maine-says-nurse-hickoxs-roommate-had-ebola/

10/31/2014 4:41:38 PM

Yeah, that's a reliable site.

10/31/2014 4:45:30 PM

pjmedia sold me cocaine cut with deworming agent

10/31/2014 4:56:00 PM

Scientists expect about 130 Americans will contract the disease.

11/3/2014 3:15:12 PM

if that's the same number i read, it even assumes no quarantines

are you starting to understand that ebola isn't something you need to worry about?

11/3/2014 3:29:46 PM

Psh. Scientists. What do they know

11/3/2014 4:20:08 PM

I still worry about it.

The chances of it mutating are slim, but it could still happen. It happened in 1989, it could happen again.

11/4/2014 9:27:04 AM

what exactly do you think happened in 1989?

11/4/2014 10:13:48 AM

rjrumfel had ebola in 1989

11/4/2014 10:26:05 AM

dtownral, you are always so ready to tell me to go to google. You should follow your own advice.

From Scientific American. Not Fox News.

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"The incident that put the specter of airborne Ebola on the map was chronicled in the book The Hot Zone, wherein, in 1989, the virus was apparently spread via the air from monkey to monkey (although it did not make the leap to humans working in the lab). But experts have subsequently wondered if that lone circumstance of primate-to-primate air transmission was fueled by the lab setting and man-made systems. As Osterholm notes in his piece, in 2012 researchers found that a strain of Ebola was spread from pigs to nonhuman primates via the air in a different lab setting. The virus, however, did not then spread from monkey-to-monkey in those circumstances."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-the-ebola-virus-will-go-airborne/

11/4/2014 4:08:41 PM

You realize the entirety of that article, in tone, is explaining why it's very unlikely for ebola to become airborne, and why this probably is not going to happen?

It of course could be really bad if it does, but if that happened, it would also change how the virus attacks the body, which would affect its lethality. It might just become a really bad flu, which only affects the infirm and babies, rather than what we know ebola to be now.

I feel even safer now, after reading it, that we probably won't see airborne ebola, and if we did, it wouldn't be the ebola we know and love.

11/4/2014 4:56:56 PM

Yes I get the tone of the article, and I acknowledged earlier that it is unlikely.

But one day we're all gonna let our guard down and it's gonna hit the fan.

11/4/2014 4:59:26 PM

the 2012 study did NOT show that Ebola spread from pigs to primates via air, what it showed was that if you put a bunch of primates in cages 20cm over the pigs for many weeks, frequently using water hoses to clean the pig pens, then ebola can be spread that way. when you spray around bodily fluids with a hose that's not airborne.

i was confused about the mutation you mentioned. The Reston case did not involve some quick or sudden mutation, it was dealing with an entire different strain (that originates from an entirely different continent) and there wasn't airborne transmission
http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2014/09/30/ebola-will-not-become-airborne-and-here-is-why/

so what mutation are you worried about us letting our guard down about? how does you or I not being on guard increase the chance of this happening? what can you or I do about it? what does you or I being on guard look like? just paranoia?

another study that used dividers to prevent other methods of transmission between primates showed no airborne tranmission between primates placed 0.3m apart.
http://www.pubfacts.com/detail/25059478/Evaluation-of-transmission-risks-associated-with-in-vivo-replication-of-several-high-containment-pat

[Edited on November 4, 2014 at 5:13 PM. Reason : or me whatevs]

11/4/2014 5:10:13 PM

Ha, you could say that about anything though.

We let our guard down about capitalism, and it's pretty much hit the fan and spraying all over us know in the form of inequality, loss of quality jobs, stagnant wages, poverty, etc.

We're letting our guard down about the loss of jobs due to automation, we've let our guard down higher education debt.

All of these issues hurt you more now than ebola likely ever will, yet people don't seem to fear these things.

I get the threat of ebola is easier to digest, it's easier to understand, you don't have to think too much about deep threads of systemic effects, but if you think outside this knee-jerk fear response and look at issues that are more damaging, yet harder to process, why worry too much about ebola? The serum treatments seem to be effect, the few cases we do see in the US means using serum is viable for the time being, it's not spreading, the infected workers are healthy, containment seems to work once procedures are followed... it shouldn't be too much of a concern.

We should learn from this experience though, in case we did face a more virulent flu strain than we've yet to face. Disease outbreak is an important thing to be vigilant about (it's why we even have a CDC), but ebola isn't our achilles heel.

We should bolster the CDC too. Maybe if congress didn't spend so much time trying to thwart obama, they could spend some brain cells to look at how to make sure the CDC stays at the forefront of keeping us safe from diseases.

11/4/2014 5:13:38 PM