I agree, the abstract concept of a fat nerd with a neckbeard and fedora is easier to attack than my posts.

Neckbeard Strawman w/ a Fedora argument.

12/1/2015 4:17:12 PM

Are they protesting cotton balls from 2010??

12/2/2015 12:43:35 AM

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"Are they protesting cotton balls from 2010??"

You are being so insensitive to the oppression of others. Didn't you know the racist Tim Wolfe used his car to RUN OVER innocent civil rights martyr Johnathan Butler?

This racist president told a millionaire grad student he wasn't oppressed! Everyone knows you have to pay lip-service to race-baiters or else you're a racist!

You seem to be pretty angry that our society is a rich tapestry of individual personalities and life experiences and that people don't behave in the singular way you've deemed acceptable. And even if this case was clearly proven to be a hoax, racism exists somewhere and is bad so that justifies us acting like complete morons about this instance. #IStandWithMizzou #IfYouDisagreeYoureRacist #OppressedByNothing

12/2/2015 10:21:30 AM

It's pretty ironic that you're the one on here that seems to be crying the loudest.

[Edited on December 2, 2015 at 10:26 AM. Reason : i'm always unsure if i'm using the word "ironic" correctly]

12/2/2015 10:23:39 AM

There were a lot of posters blindly defending this hoax protest earlier. The lack of evidence didn't stop people from defending the Mizzou Nonsense, but after the "demands" revealed how unreasonable this "activism" was, no liberal wants to touch the subject. Just the classic retreat to "Oh yea, well racism is still bad and exists somewhere, so that justifies us being stupid in this case".

So next time the media starts spinning some bullshit oppressed victim nonsense, maybe they think instead of joining the outrage culture lynch mob? #IStandWithMizzou

12/2/2015 10:43:12 AM

Actually you're just incapable of seeing things in anything other than black or white. There were situations documented at Missouri and other schools that no student anywhere should have to deal with. The demands on those lists going around are petty, stupid and unnecessary (they do more harm than good).

These aren't mutually exclusive opinions. The dumb lists don't help those that are legitimately working for what I think is needed change. You are just too blinded by ideology to see that.

12/2/2015 11:21:27 AM

no one is crying about their feelings being hurt. no one wants to limit what is said in the general public by the general public but academic institutions have to provide a positive learning environment for all of its students. Thats their one goal. Research shows that stereotype threat inhibits learning and this is how racism manifests itself in most schools.

12/2/2015 11:22:43 AM

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"Actually you're just incapable of seeing things in anything other than black or white."

You are incapable of separating false-narratives from actual problems of racism.

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"There were situations documented at Missouri and other schools that no student anywhere should have to deal with."

What situations? Furthermore, how was Tim Wolfe responsible for them?

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"These aren't mutually exclusive opinions. The dumb lists don't help those that are legitimately working for what I think is needed change. You are just too blinded by ideology to see that."

"Yes this specific case was a hoax, but racism is still bad so that justifies us blindly supporting it"

12/2/2015 1:51:03 PM

12/2/2015 1:51:29 PM

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" no one wants to limit what is said in the general public by the general public"

Except they do.

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"5. President Martin must issue a statement to the Amherst College community at large that states we do not tolerate the actions of student(s) who posted the “All Lives Matter” posters, and the "Free Speech" posters that stated that “in memoriam of the true victim of the Missouri Protests: Free Speech.” Also let the student body know that it was racially insensitive to the students of color on our college campus and beyond who are victim to racial harassment and death threats; alert them that Student Affairs may require them to go through the Disciplinary Process if a formal complaint is filed, and that they will be required to attend extensive training for racial and cultural competency."

12/2/2015 1:54:00 PM

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2015/12/column-to-all-my-black-people

12/2/2015 2:29:17 PM

some are saying they may hire marc trestman as their football coach. i think that'd be a bad idea.

[Edited on December 2, 2015 at 3:00 PM. Reason : nvm, apparently it was a false flag]

12/2/2015 2:36:15 PM

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"What situations? Furthermore, how was Tim Wolfe responsible for them?"

*crickets*

12/3/2015 10:28:41 AM

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"no one is crying about their feelings being hurt"

Last time I checked this "outrage" started not because of some perceived institutional racist policy of the university, some group being withheld from some student privilege due to skin color, or even a member of the faculty making a racist comment.

This all started because some random red neck in a truck (was it proven this was even a student) rolled by a group of African-Americans on campus and used a naughty racial slur. Whereas some communities are protesting questionable circumstances surrounding a cop killing an allegedly non-combative suspect, the Mizzou protesters are mad that random dipshits said MEAN THING and that the university admin didn't bring in the CSI crime squate and FBI to do forensics to see who in 2010 sprinkled cotton balls around the African-American student association building.

THE OPPRESSION AND HURT FEELINGS HOW CAN ANY MINORITY STUDENT EXCEL IN THIS SORT OF HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT?????????

[Edited on December 3, 2015 at 11:15 AM. Reason : a]

[Edited on December 3, 2015 at 11:16 AM. Reason : a]

12/3/2015 11:15:10 AM

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"This all started because some random red neck in a truck (was it proven this was even a student) rolled by a group of African-Americans on campus and used a naughty racial slur"

The same student who claimed this happened was the one that lied about the KKK being on campus.

It's an interesting pattern of race-hoaxes where anonymous threats/racism is actually proven to come from black protestors. When there isn't any "oppression" to protest, you have to invent it yourself. Fortunately for them, liberals (including many TWWers ITT) are usually unable to differentiate between false-narratives and actual problems... so in the era of outrage and clickbait, stupid shit no longer needs evidence to go viral and trick the gullible into supporting it.

12/3/2015 11:23:44 AM

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" false-narratives"

It doesn't seem like you know what this term actually means. Your posts are almost entirely scenarios you made up in your head, just like your belief you were banned for being 2edgy.

12/3/2015 12:06:41 PM

Good thing you quoted just 1 word moron, here I was excited thinking you were actually going to try and counter something I said.

12/3/2015 12:15:18 PM

I think it's been demonstrated multiple times in various threads that you aren't actually interested in factual information... if facts could change your mind, they would have already.

http://bigthink.com/think-tank/the-backfire-effect-why-facts-dont-win-arguments

You need emotion to change your opinion, but i'm not interested in an emotional appeal to you at this point.

[Edited on December 3, 2015 at 12:35 PM. Reason : ]

12/3/2015 12:34:45 PM

1.) Black students at Mizzou are "Oppressed"
2.) Tim Wolfe is "racist"

You've "defended" both of these points, without any actual evidence or facts to support them. If you are claiming such things, the burden of proof is on you.

message_topic.aspx?topic=646345&page=5

You posed irrelevant graphs that have nothing to do with the above 2 statements. Graphs showing "black people less likely to go to college/graduate" and "black people not satisfied with how they are treated" has nothing to do with the above 2 points. You've made this laughable reference to "evidence" in Page 5, and were asked by both HUR and myself where any evidence was, because those graphs were completely irrelevant to the Mizzou protests.

Posting 2 irrelevant graphs does not count as evidence. Posting a picture of a dinosaur crushing a house does not make your baseless argument any better.

12/3/2015 1:17:36 PM

12/3/2015 1:20:32 PM

I think people often use racially insensitive interchangeably with racist because they understand how being racially insensitive contributes to systemic racism. It doesn't make the person a "racist" but it perpetuates the problem through omission.

Society does a pretty good job of identifying and casting out "racists". Good enough that its certainly no longer an issue (although trump is working hard to reignite it). "Racists" in the form of sheet wearing, cross burning, n word yelling, skinheads no longer being accepted makes a lot of racially insensitive people believe that racism is no longer a problem in this country. Its an understandable progression of logic and its true that its no longer an issue that a minority can go into a business and here "(racial slur) are not accepted here", and that not be quickly looked down upon by all of society.

Systemic racism is a momentum that was set in motion by racists long ago, and has not been corrected. Today, society is often mistakingly identifying people who ignore this momentum as "racists" even though they are not the same. People who are racially insensitive often believe they are less racist than society overall because they do not consider race in any situation. They would be correct if the systemic racism did not exist. If the country always existed without racism and there was no racial momentum, they would truly be the only non racists. The reality, however, is that racial biases have already been established even if the racists who started them are dead.

The best analogy would be comparing a person who doesn't notice fires to an arsonist. Imagine a world where fires can only occur through arson but arsonists are extremely rare.

If an arsonist sets fire to a building and leaves, the fire still burns on after they gone. Someone most come and actively extinguish the fire, or at least acknowledge its existence to keep others from being burned. If someone in a building without a fire, tells someone from the burning building that their building is not on fire because there are no arsonists and tries to force them back into that burning building, they are contributing to the problem and may be labeled as an arsonist themselves (incorrectly).

12/3/2015 1:34:33 PM

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"Good enough that its certainly no longer an issue (although trump is working hard to reignite it)."

I think Trump and #BLM are responsible for reigniting racism. While the Ferguson protesters may have legitimate concerns regarding their treatment by Ferguson police (even if their defense/outrage regarding their savior and civil rights hero Michael Brown is completely misguided) their action looting/pillaging/rioting I'd wager incited more negative views towards the African-American population then sympathy. Another good example of #BLM hindering their cause would be the Bernie Sanders interruption and name calling the audience "bigoted white privileged progressives" or whatever the women said.

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"Secondly, we are the survivors. As Africans stolen across whole oceans, swallowed small into forced slavery and cut off from native tongue, native country and native peoples, we must not forget those who came before us. That in this euphemistic “translatlantic slave trade,” millions of our ancestors died. Died in castles. Died in the ocean. Died on plantations. But we have our lives."

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2015/12/column-to-all-my-black-people

My ancestors were forcefully kicked out of Scotland by privileged aristocrats from England who wanted our ancestral clan estates to create more pastors! Those who didn't leave were jailed and many died on the route across to the Americas I demand respect too!

#SLM Scots Lives Matter

By the way I have a hunch that her family lives a much better life in progressive Chapel-Hill than had she grown up in West-Africa. Just saying...

[Edited on December 3, 2015 at 1:55 PM. Reason : a]

12/3/2015 1:42:56 PM

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"1.) Black students at Mizzou are "Oppressed" 2.) Tim Wolfe is "racist" You've "defended" both of these points, without any actual evidence or facts to support them. If you are claiming such things, the burden of proof is on you. message_topic.aspx?topic=646345&page=5 You posed irrelevant graphs that have nothing to do with the above 2 statements. Graphs showing "black people less likely to go to college/graduate" and "black people not satisfied with how they are treated" has nothing to do with the above 2 points. You've made this laughable reference to "evidence" in Page 5, and were asked by both HUR and myself where any evidence was, because those graphs were completely irrelevant to the Mizzou protests."

Information regarding both of those items have been posted in this thread.

What type of information specifically are you looking for? What data could cause you to change your mind?

12/3/2015 2:05:59 PM

...

literally any evidence of 1 & 2...

12/3/2015 2:10:31 PM

haha, we know that's not true.

I mean do you want to see statistical evidence, do you want to see an anecdote, do you like prosaic narratives, does it need to be a peer reviewed study? What type of evidence do you find authoritative?

12/3/2015 2:15:05 PM

moron here is some more evidence for you, though you have made it abundantly clear you have no desire to see the real facts:







This proves that Tim Wolfe is a racist, and this proves that millionaire grad student Johnathan Butler is oppressed by evil right racists. If you disagree it's because you can't comprehend all this evidence above.

12/3/2015 2:16:07 PM

Don't forget JCE if you question if Mizzou students are really oppressed or if the president is racist then you in fact are a racist bigot yourself.

Logic is irrelevant when peoples feelings are being hurt!

12/3/2015 2:25:16 PM

^logic and facts arent on your side here, evidenced by jces refusal to pick his favorite source. he knows any source doesnt support his opinion.

12/3/2015 2:43:19 PM

I haven't found any evidence to support the "oppression" of Mizzou students.

12/3/2015 2:46:59 PM

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"Logic is irrelevant when peoples feelings are being hurt!"

This seems to be the case.

Did you know x% of black people are dissatisfied in America?
Did you know x% of black students don't graduate?

= Proof that Tim Wolfe is racist.
= Proof that made up "oppression" is real.

The facts are right there, you just have to open your eyes.

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"statistical evidence, do you want to see an anecdote, do you like prosaic narratives, does it need to be a peer reviewed study?"

I prefer any of the above that prove points 1 and 2.

[Edited on December 3, 2015 at 3:16 PM. Reason : .]

12/3/2015 3:14:11 PM

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"Did you know x% of black people are dissatisfied in America? Did you know x% of black students don't graduate? "

In reality this is probably correlation of the media uptick of spinning issues police abuse of power to solely be against African-Americans, other race baiting headlines, and a product of the #BLM propaganda machine. From Moron's graph there is a clear step change from 2013 to 2015. Unreasonable is the assertion that in that time-frame the police suddenly regressed to 1965 style targeting black minorities or the white oppressors suddenly stepped up their use of "micro-aggression" and discriminatory behaviour. More reasonable is that the perceived dissatisfaction is framed from media coverage.

Plus we all know that %x of African-Americans don't graduate because that is acting white

12/3/2015 4:08:21 PM

As I explained in my previous post, wolfe wasn't criticized for being a racist himself, he was criticized by not doing anything about racism, which was interpreted to be his job.

12/3/2015 4:23:36 PM

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"he was criticized by not doing anything about racism, which was interpreted to be his job."

He was criticized for not giving lip service when a mob of race-baiting entitled brats playing make-believe-activist surrounded him, asking him to explain how millionaire grad students are "oppressed" because of the melanin in their skin.

I've already covered several examples of these "activists" lying about racism/oppression to get attention, so from that angle it makes claims of drunk non-students yelling racial slurs even less substantial. Especially if you want to hold the president/chancellor accountable somehow.

In the context of this discussion moron already claimed the leadership was racist so I'm still on the edge of my seat waiting for this "evidence" he has to support his liberal idiocy with.

12/3/2015 4:45:17 PM

he gave an unacceptable answer the a question about oppression. a racial insensitive answer. If you are colorblind and can't identify racial oppression and communicate what it is then you are obviously unfit for a job that requires you to address it affectively.

^I also explained in my post the modern definition of "racist" which is the context moron was using

[Edited on December 3, 2015 at 4:56 PM. Reason : k]

12/3/2015 4:56:08 PM

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"he was criticized by not doing anything about racism"

He should have called the PC police to go spank the racist red-neck truck driver who shouted the mean racial slur! PC Principal could then have swooped in to check the drivers privilege and assign 2 weeks detention where he would learn about equality, diversity, and understanding!



The president should also have called in the FBI and CSI forensic task force to collect evidence from the 2010 cotton ball scandal so the perpetuators could be arrested for terrorist charges for micro-aggressioning threats of enslaving the educated African-Americans of the University, forcing them to pick cotton!

12/3/2015 5:01:15 PM

Issues... man, you got 'em.

12/3/2015 5:04:58 PM

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"Could Farook's decision to attack the luncheon have stemmed from a religious dispute with a co-worker? His family lawyer's didn't speculate, though Chesley did say that "at some times co-workers have done silly things, like made fun of Syed's beard.""

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

I guess this co-worker missed the lecture on Microaggressions lol

12/4/2015 10:55:01 AM

How is "don't be a dick to your co-workers" a lecture on microaggressions lol?

12/4/2015 10:59:10 AM

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"he gave an unacceptable answer the a question about oppression. a racial insensitive answer"

Well in this context it isn't a question. It's a demand from a mob of hubristic grandstanding brats demanding lip service. Aka 2015 "activists".

The exact same thing when someone says "Do Black Lives matter, or All Lives matter?" I don't want to discuss something, I want to be appeased by a lip service pity party.

We have seen just how unreasonable these BLM "activists" are, via the Bernie Sanders BLM interruption. Bernie payed lip service and bent over backwards and they still weren't satisfied, accusing Seattle of being racist and demanding a 5 minute moment of silence for a thug that punched a cop.

We have seen how unreasonable these Mizzou "activists" are, through their frequent lying, and their list of demands.

If you're a spoiled, entitled brat throwing a hissyfit, it doesn't matter what the color of your skin is. Stupid is stupid, and sometimes leaders need to stand up to stupidity. An idiot playing the race card is still an idiot. Unfortunately, liberalism embraces it when it supports a victim narrative, hence the lynch mob stupidity at Mizzou that all of you have supported. Without evidence

12/4/2015 11:02:22 AM

Of course there are stupid people out there.

Of course a lot of college students are idiots.

Of course BLM is a hashtag and not an organization so people will demand a bunch of ridiculous things in its name.

None of that excuses a public official from making unacceptable statements. He has free speech just like the ridiculous activists but the difference is accountability. If you're in that position you can't match stupidity with stupidity. Holding Wolfe accountable for his words is not necessarily supporting the activists at Mizzou. We shouldn't be comparing the two. People can say whatever they want to say.

12/4/2015 2:15:46 PM

JCE2011 just seems like someone who likes to argue on the internet, but HUR seems genuinely unhinged

12/4/2015 2:17:50 PM

just popping my head in to ask "so everybody got what they wanted?" we all PC now? ok. check back later.

12/4/2015 2:37:02 PM

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"None of that excuses a public official from making unacceptable statements."

It wasn't an unacceptable statement. Telling a group of entitled morons they aren't oppressed is a perfectly legitimate response. Should Mizzou print that on their Student Diversity homepage? No, but in the context of being cornered by an uncivil race-baiting mob, thats fine.

The problem was that he tried to answer a mob waiting for something to be outraged by. If you watch his answer he clearly gets cut off trying to respond, but thats the thing... they don't want a discussion, they just want lip service and an echo-chamber.

If Tim Wolfe did the "acceptable" thing, all students would be in mandatory diversity courses and Tim Wolfe would hang himself to appease the racist witch hunt lynch mob.

12/4/2015 2:49:41 PM

You dont get to decide whats acceptable. Thats for the students to decide. What was acceptable when you were in school is no longer acceptable today. Society changes.

12/4/2015 4:59:12 PM

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/here-are-the-demands-from-students-protesting-racism-at-51-colleges/?ex_cid=538twitter

12/4/2015 5:02:18 PM

Still waiting for that "evidence" of oppression, moron... what a surprise

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"You dont get to decide whats acceptable. "

The problem is different people accept different things. That's how America works, no matter which political party owns the media.

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"Thats for the students to decide. What was acceptable when you were in school is no longer acceptable today. Society changes."

You mean that's for the self proclaimed "victims" to decide. That's how liberalism works. "I'm a victim, I demand lip-service and accommodation or else I will use the media to attempt character assassination".

So I guess freedom of speech is no longer acceptable because 1% of students, proven to be liars using a race hoax to grandstand, may be offended by different opinions (aka UNACCEPTABLE racist hate speech)

[Edited on December 4, 2015 at 5:39 PM. Reason : .]

12/4/2015 5:39:36 PM

how about colleges be used for getting an education, you get your degree (hopefully in something worth a damn) and then you go out into society, be productive, help others, and just be a generally decent human and be a positive role model. This will have the longest lasting positive effect on the next generation.

everyone needs to quit bitching. No one 'deserves' anything and EVERYONE'S ancestors were oppressed at some point.

Again, colleges are for education and to get a degree. If you can go to college, get educated, and then get a good job, then the college has done it's job. The president can't control everyone's moves at all times. Just don't understand the mentality.

12/5/2015 9:54:19 AM

thats the problem though. the president has to provide a safe learning environment to ensure everyone is able to get an education. thats why its such an important part of his job. if huge groups of people don't have a learning environment that feels safe and inclusive, the school has failed.

Although there is tons of research supporting the idea that a threat-filled environment suppresses learning ability, christian white male privilege will probably suppress your ability to comprehend it.

12/5/2015 11:46:50 AM

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"thats the problem though. the president has to provide a safe learning environment to ensure everyone is able to get an education."

What a joke.

Johnathan Butler "wasn't safe" and "Couldn't get an education" because he was too busy running into cars and lying about it, or making false claims of KKK presence to get attention.

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" threat-filled environment"

LMAO. That's the narrative you want for Mizzou, right? Black Students getting chased down and beaten on the sidewalk, KKK rallies, Tim Wolfe attempting to segregate the school, Oppressed students rallying behind the heroic 2nd coming of Jesus, Johnathan Butler, here to show the CIS-White-Racist-Privileged-Scumbags what happens when you don't pay lip service and worship the liberal victim narrative.

12/5/2015 12:17:30 PM

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"the president has to provide a safe learning environment to ensure everyone is able to get an educat"

We all need our safe space where no one says mean things that can hurt delicate feelings!



[Edited on December 5, 2015 at 5:52 PM. Reason : J]

12/5/2015 5:52:18 PM