We should hire illegal aliens to find illegal aliens to deport.

3/21/2016 10:14:59 AM

there is a difference between legal and illegal immigration. Everyone knows that. Being against illegal immigration does not equal being against legal immigration. That point seems to have been missed by some.

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"I like how now that GrumpyGOP is taking a break from pointing out everything wrong with Benxj's posts he's gone back to rehashing his arguments as if the last 2 pages never happened. For those of you that want to deport more immigrants than the ones that are caught breaking some law other than crossing the border: The cost of finding and deporting these people has been shown to be very expensive per individual by people that know a lot more than you on this subject. Other people who also know a lot more than you have shown that having more immigrants, even illegal ones, helps the GDP and the economy in general. They have also shown that deporting all of them would hurt the economy. When you add those things together, it would seem that you are arguing we should spend a bunch of money to find these people, probably breaking up a bunch of families in the process, with the added bonus of hurting our economy. Now, since you are the ones saying this is a problem, that means the burden is on you to prove either: 1) Why the above statements are not true. I.E. Show how deporting all these people will be good for the economy (and yes, you need to show your work...none of us want to be spending money on a problem we don't believe is that important just because you say so) or 2) Show how you are going to fund said deportations AND keep that from hurting the economy (again, yes, you need to show your work here. Saying, "we'll do it slowly and will find other ways to help the economy" is not an acceptable answer before action is taken)"

Again, someone brought up 'breaking up families' I fail to see how that is my, yours, or the government's problem.

And again, another person fails to see that it has been pointed out repeatedly that the issue with illegal immigration stems from many underlying issues and policies. Of course we can't hire a special police force to try and find ALL illegal immigrants in this country. But I don't see the harm in starting somewhere, and fix the problem over time. Lots of little things that can be done that won't cost the tax payer a dime.

Funding deportations wouldn't be an issue if people weren't allowed or encouraged to cross into this country illegally, or overstay visas. But if I HAD to fund deportations, I'D MAKE MEXICO PAY FOR IT!!!!!!

3/21/2016 10:52:19 AM

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"Lots of little things that can be done that won't cost the tax payer a dime."

This is inaccurate. Anything that the government does will cost money. There is no way you are going to get the government to do more of something without it being more expensive. Maybe we will get more efficient so that the unit cost per deportation goes down (though not nearly to the extravagant degree you put forward), but the cost to deport 1,000,000 immigrants is never going to be equal to or less than the cost of deporting 1,000 immigrants.

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" But if I HAD to fund deportations, I'D MAKE MEXICO PAY FOR IT!!!!!!"

Please, tell me more about how one goes about this.

3/21/2016 10:58:54 AM

I don't know, ask Trump. That is his plan.

3/21/2016 11:00:30 AM

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"And again, another person fails to see that it has been pointed out repeatedly that the issue with illegal immigration stems from many underlying issues and policies"

I don't fail to see this, what I do see is that it's irrelevant to your argument about deporting people. It doesn't matter HOW we got to this point. YOU are arguing to deport people, which costs money. YOU need to provide the rationale for why this makes fiscal sense.

3/21/2016 11:08:19 AM

3/21/2016 11:13:19 AM

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"This is inaccurate. Anything that the government does will cost money. There is no way you are going to get the government to do more of something without it being more expensive. Maybe we will get more efficient so that the unit cost per deportation goes down (though not nearly to the extravagant degree you put forward), but the cost to deport 1,000,000 immigrants is never going to be equal to or less than the cost of deporting 1,000 immigrants."

Duh. I can do math.

Won't cost the taxpayer an EXTRA dime. As I have stated before, numerous policies fuel the flames of this problem. Cut spending on illegal alien benefits and some monies will become available for other things.

Just like the illegal alien from Honduras that is making the news here in NC. He was at a publicly funded high school. I'm sure there is a figure out there that puts a cost on each student in public school in NC. There is some money right there. Now, he is being held on the taxpayer dime at some detention facility while they argue back and forth. That costs quite a bit of money. Add these costs up, and multiply by whatever number you think may be close to the truth, and it gets expensive quick. Just because they shop at Walmart and add some money to the tax revenue isn't a good enough argument to allow them to stay here, illegally. Bank robbers and killers would work and shop too, if they weren't in jail, so should we let them out too? The economy sure could use the boost.

3/21/2016 11:14:02 AM

3/21/2016 11:18:36 AM

Again, you're the one proposing we take action on this. You can't just say, "the other things cost money so we can cut those and then it should be ok". It's your responsibility to provide numbers and do the math in order to convince all the people who disagree with you and would prefer not to devote time, resources, and money to this. That's the way the world works.

3/21/2016 11:28:40 AM

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"I don't know, ask Trump. That is his plan. "

Please tell me you're joking...please...

3/21/2016 11:38:37 AM

joke. not really a fan of Trump.

3/21/2016 11:45:12 AM

That was his feeble way of addressing:

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"Now, since you are the ones saying this is a problem, that means the burden is on you to prove either: 1) Why the above statements are not true. I.E. Show how deporting all these people will be good for the economy (and yes, you need to show your work...none of us want to be spending money on a problem we don't believe is that important just because you say so) or 2) Show how you are going to fund said deportations AND keep that from hurting the economy (again, yes, you need to show your work here. Saying, "we'll do it slowly and will find other ways to help the economy" is not an acceptable answer before action is taken)"

3/21/2016 11:53:10 AM

^ that's why i was curious if he was being serious...since he can't answer those questions.

3/21/2016 11:59:40 AM

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"Won't cost the taxpayer an EXTRA dime. As I have stated before, numerous policies fuel the flames of this problem. Cut spending on illegal alien benefits and some monies will become available for other things. Just like the illegal alien from Honduras that is making the news here in NC. He was at a publicly funded high school. I'm sure there is a figure out there that puts a cost on each student in public school in NC. There is some money right there. Now, he is being held on the taxpayer dime at some detention facility while they argue back and forth. That costs quite a bit of money. Add these costs up, and multiply by whatever number you think may be close to the truth, and it gets expensive quick. Just because they shop at Walmart and add some money to the tax revenue isn't a good enough argument to allow them to stay here, illegally. Bank robbers and killers would work and shop too, if they weren't in jail, so should we let them out too? The economy sure could use the boost. "

If money is your concern, it would be better to have a path to legal residency to capture more taxes and labor that undocumented immigrants are already adding into the system.

3/21/2016 12:51:43 PM

Well, the only way you or I can really answer those questions is to have access to the real numbers. And that won't happen until we get access to the closed door meetings.

IF, a president runs the numbers and makes a case where we really can't afford to punish law breakers, so the best thing to do is to let them go about their business, then I'll get on board. If they say that there isn't a dime to cut in the budget that could go towards arresting criminals, streamlining the legalization process, and enforcing the current laws on the books, then I'll back that plan. IF, someone shows hard evidence that there has been no economic drain on having illegal aliens in schools, jails, hospital facilities, etc, then I'll reverse my course. If, the people claiming that it takes tens of thousands of dollars to deport someone can show the itemized list of costs, and can say it with a straight face, and can't point out waste and corruption, then I'll believe it.

I don't work in the white house. Now, I'm sure a better plan could be formalized with the knowledge of the entire scope of the problem and real budget numbers, but what I can't understand is the fact that some of the arguments here are about breaking up families, saying that they are here already so why even bother, acting like questions of funding for something will stop the gov't dead in its tracks, and some jobs might go unfilled for a month or two, are legitimate issues when talking about criminals. We break families up all the time. We track down cold case criminals all the time. The gov't spends money regardless of money in the bank. We subsidize people that don't work.

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"If money is your concern, it would be better to have a path to legal residency to capture more taxes and labor that undocumented immigrants are already adding into the system."

Yes, I've mentioned this before.

3/21/2016 12:58:46 PM

Holy sweet Jesus.

Illegal immigrants are a net positive for our economy, and not in some marginal they-buy-toilet-paper-at-Walmart way. The impact is significant, well known, and not a secret.

3/21/2016 1:12:45 PM

So you're advocating to take action on something without actually knowing what the consequences would be, while at the same time not believing the existing numbers which prove your ideas bad? You think this is how the world should operate?

3/21/2016 1:40:08 PM

The fact that he continually and purposely refers to the illegal immigrants as "criminals" gives you all you need to know about his opinions and biases regarding this subject. And talks about tracking them like other "cold crime cases".

3/21/2016 1:55:04 PM

Quit being a bunch of whiny cunts. Illegal is illegal. I believe you either come here legally or you need to GTFO. I don't give a single fuck if they buy toilet paper. So do other people who break the law.

If Mexicans or South Americans are so goddamn industrious why are most of those countries total shitholes?

Oh wait, no they're great people who build stuff and whatever...bullshit.

When my ancestors came here there was nothing, no hand outs to be had, no WalMarts. They didn't come here expecting to be taken care of but rather to start a new country...so don't even try to bring up a nation of immigrants. But I don't really have a problem with immigrants and how no one is illegal and all that nonsense.

3/21/2016 2:01:29 PM

because it's that easy, just "GTFO" and they are all gone and there are no secondary impacts and it doesn't tear apart any families or cost money.

Cool plan.

3/21/2016 2:03:46 PM

Who's being whiny? The people who want to change what we're doing and spend a bunch of money to deport more people than we already are or the people who who's rather elect someone with a different plan than that (one that's probably pretty similar to the status quo)?

3/21/2016 2:11:10 PM

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"When my ancestors came here there was nothing, no hand outs to be had, no WalMarts. They didn't come here expecting to be taken care of but rather to start a new country...so don't even try to bring up a nation of immigrants."

you think "handouts" and wal marts are the only thing bringing illegal immigrants here? they wanna come here for probably some of the same reasons your ancestors came...they wanna come here for better jobs, better pay, better opportunities for themselves and their families. nobody is really arguing that illegal immigration is better than people immigrating legally or obtaining work visas or whatever. it's certainly a distinction worth making...and yes, it's a fucked up system that should be fixed and improved upon. to me, it's just not as black and white as some make it out to be i guess.

i feel like when people throw around phrases like "illegals coming across the border for our hand outs" or "to commit crimes" haven't really ever interacted with any illegal immigrants. and that's fine...that kinda interaction is only anecdotal, anyways. but it humanizes the issue, imo.

[Edited on March 21, 2016 at 2:17 PM. Reason : f]

3/21/2016 2:13:42 PM

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"i feel like when people throw around phrases like "illegals coming across the border for our hand outs" or "to commit crimes" haven't really ever interacted with any illegal immigrants. and that's fine...that kinda interaction is only anecdotal, anyways. but it humanizes the issue, imo."

that tends to be the case with conservatives on a bunch of different issues. vehemently opposed to something until that something affects them in a real way which gives them a nice dose of empathy.

3/21/2016 2:18:03 PM

Why are you guys wasting so much energy on immigration? He talks a big game but can't do shit without Congressional approval.

You guys should be more concerned about his economic policy ideas. Tariffs will start a trade war the likes our generation has never seen.

3/21/2016 2:32:14 PM

^more for discussion purposes and it just happens to be in the Trump thread.

3/21/2016 2:42:38 PM

The health care plan he has is also wonky

3/21/2016 3:30:55 PM

All I've heard discussed is health savings plans.

3/21/2016 3:58:54 PM

or you could go here: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform or here: http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Health_Care.htm

3/21/2016 5:15:28 PM

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"You guys should be more concerned about his economic policy ideas. Tariffs will start a trade war the likes our generation has never seen."

You can't start a trade war with China when we're already deep in the middle of a trade war with China. Tariffs have to be on the table, just like every other possible weapon in trade negotiations. If China won't respect our intellectual property rights and continues to dump state-subsidized steel and solar panels in a direct attempt to put American manufacturers out of business, then tariffs might be the only viable solution.

3/21/2016 5:30:19 PM

LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRly-0wwl_g

3/21/2016 7:32:39 PM

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/nrpa7t/the-nightly-show-with-larry-wilmore-meet-donald-trump-s-black-supporters?xrs=synd_twitter_032216_tns_50

black trump supporters

3/22/2016 1:12:22 PM

http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/03/28/trumps-top-strategist-just-quit-wrote-brutal-open-letter-trump-voters/

3/29/2016 1:45:05 PM

Biden 2016

3/29/2016 3:05:30 PM

So Trump thinks Obama&Biden is weak, or Obama Administration is weak.
imo it's hard to tell.

3/29/2016 3:24:29 PM

^^^He wouldn't be any worse than the liberals running, or what we have now. I'm still voting for him just to try to get rid the the establishment. I don't want to pay for all of the social programs that Sanders wants.

3/29/2016 5:46:03 PM

^ That's a very sad reason to vote for a cancerous person.

3/29/2016 5:48:10 PM

The establishment is bad so he's voting for somebody that would be worse than the establishment and/or proposed policies of a candidate that will not win his party's nomination. Makes perfect sense to me.

3/29/2016 5:58:53 PM

OK.

3/29/2016 6:00:17 PM

I HIGHLY doubt Big4Country makes enough money to worry about bernie's social programs effecting his shit pay check. So that's a moot point.

3/30/2016 3:39:12 AM

Lol firing shots on good morning America

3/30/2016 7:14:31 AM

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"^He wouldn't be any worse than the liberals running, or what we have now. I'm still voting for him just to try to get rid the the establishment. I don't want to pay for all of the social programs that Sanders wants."

Damn, how much do you make as a computer jockey at an autoparts store?

3/30/2016 8:00:58 AM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/30/cops-teen-sexually-assaulted-pepper-sprayed-called-n-ger-lover-at-trump-rally.html?via=twitter_page

I thought these rallies couldn't get worse... Pretty nuts someone has the balls to scream that at the top of their lungs at a political rally, but it IS Trump after all.

3/30/2016 11:53:20 AM

That girl didnt help her cause any. Granted you cant see what happens at the start to see if there is a chest grab or not, but you clearly see her take a swing at the guy before he pepper sprays her. He could just turn around and get her on assault as well. Either way the amount of stupid in this country makes my head hurt.

3/30/2016 12:41:34 PM

^^Stupidity on both sides. Trump's supporters shouldn't waste their time with the stupid protesters. At the same time, if you don't support Trump then don't go to his rallies and try to start something when you know there is potential for violence. Sanders is my least favorite candidate, so hopefully it will be Clinton vs Trump, or Cruz. With that being said, I didn't waste my time making a scene at Sanders' rally in Raleigh. Maybe someday some of these other people on both sides will learn to do the same.

[Edited on March 30, 2016 at 12:44 PM. Reason : .]

3/30/2016 12:44:30 PM

I dont see how one could say they clearly see her do anything but get pepper sprayed

we can clearly hear what the dude in the MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN hat said, though

[Edited on March 30, 2016 at 12:48 PM. Reason : lol at GOES BOTH WAYS dudes]

3/30/2016 12:46:35 PM

pepper spray. makes me concerned about what's next.

3/30/2016 12:56:02 PM

It's just cool that grown men feel free to yell "nigger lover" at the top of their lungs at trump rallies. That's the America we need.

3/30/2016 12:59:40 PM

police:

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"A 15 year [sic] girl from Janesville was peppered sprayed in the crowd by a non-law enforcement person. A 19 year old woman from Madison received 2nd hand spray as well. Both individuals received medical attention at local hospitals. A male in the crown [sic] groped the 15 year girl, when she pushed him away; another person in the crown [sic] sprayed her. We are currently looking for two suspects, one for the sexual assault and one for the pepper spray."

https://local.nixle.com/alert/5615856/

[Edited on March 30, 2016 at 1:32 PM. Reason : her sign said" damn donald, back at it with the white supremacy" ]

3/30/2016 1:31:55 PM

^that's a pretty damn funny sign.

3/30/2016 2:44:22 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuBMWgMn52I

Did she not take a swing at the guy? The full video makes it pretty clear what happened.

It's not surprising at all to me to see headlines like "man brutally sexually assaults, pepper sprays 15 year old girl", though, with or without the video evidence.

[Edited on March 30, 2016 at 4:03 PM. Reason : ]

3/30/2016 3:59:56 PM