You are falling into the same trap of assuming the popular vote will translate the same way in the EC

Sure, more Dems got more votes total across the board, but it doesn't mean shit, because places like Montana only had like 1-200k votes, but they'd still do damage in the EC.

See my previous post. I wish I could explain myself better, but assuming high voter turnout for Dems will signal a victory is dumb.

11/7/2018 4:47:37 PM

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"It’s so interesting to me that some people think this iteration of the GOP is salvageable. Dude, your old party is gone. Look who lost? Moderates who never supported Trump fully. The Curbelos, Comstoxks, etc. This is and will be Trumps party long after he has cardiac arrest."

Yep, I'm not sure it was salvageable for a little while before Trump, but it definitely isn't now. Eradication is the only option. There's no nudging it back to relative normalcy. It needs to be totally destroyed.

I just won't have a hand in building a monster on the other side in order to do it. I'm not gonna support ISIS to topple Assad, if you will.

11/7/2018 6:06:31 PM

^oh_brother.gif

11/7/2018 6:08:25 PM

"One side wants to kill poor people and destroy the planet. The other side wants the opposite. Clearly, both sides are bad."

11/7/2018 6:14:39 PM

^ Emotions given to you by TV.

The other side is literally Hitler. Buy some Coca-Cola and dick pills to make you feel better.

I think we are already in a civil war, it's just people are too fat to do anything like walk with rifles for more than 50 ft away from their F150. Instead people share memes and talk about how dumb and evil the other side is to make Facebook and NBC richer.

[Edited on November 7, 2018 at 7:41 PM. Reason : A]

11/7/2018 7:37:02 PM

the enlightened centrist has stepped into the arena

alternatively, it's exactly the truth and the fact you don't realize this illuminates the privilege you enjoy

11/7/2018 8:20:30 PM

Democrats arnt voluntarily killing poor people but none of these people care about the environment. Don’t be silly. Your privilege is obviously making you delusional brochacho.

11/7/2018 9:10:20 PM

theDuke wasn't talking about Democrats, he was talking about leftists.

11/7/2018 9:12:01 PM

fair enough!

I’m not convinced leftists have any obtainable ideas on how to fix the environment on a global scale.

11/7/2018 9:21:12 PM

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/introduction-the-fairway

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"We sold anger, and we did it mainly by feeding audiences what they wanted to hear. Mostly, this involved cranking out stories about people our viewers loved to hate. Selling siloed anger was a more sophisticated take on the WWE programming pioneered in Hannity & Colmes. The modern news consumer tuned into news that confirmed his or her prejudices about whatever the villain of the day happened to be: foreigners, minorities, terrorists, the Clintons, Republicans, even corporations."

WWE, where the opposition is Hitler!

[Edited on November 7, 2018 at 11:53 PM. Reason : A]

11/7/2018 11:52:33 PM

But the thing is... one side is clearly far worse than the other side. There’s literal Nazis on the gop ticket getting 24% of the vote, Steve King can go to Europe and endorse the platform of a former SS Agent pushing white nationalism, Trump can literally refuse to answer any questions, lie about the ones he does answer, make tv ads too racist for Fox News to even air, and this is all A okay with Republicans (to be fair they disavowed the literal Nazi— but still 1/2 republicans in that district voted for him).

Meanwhile, what does extremism look like in the DNC?

Universal healthcare, free college? High top marginal tax rate? Estate taxes? Maybe telling someone not to dress like a Native American?

The extremism is very one sided here.

11/8/2018 1:21:47 AM

To paraphrase Andrew Gillum, I'm not saying Donald trump is Hitler but the people who love Hitler think he is

11/8/2018 7:53:43 AM

trump is literally hitler because why?

please explain...

11/8/2018 7:58:08 AM

^^ You're confusing the framing by the media with reality. If he fumbled the question in the tapper interview one side jumps to he's racist, and the other side thinks he fumbled the question. The controversy around the, "making fun of the disabled reporter" is one such case. If you look you'll find he made that stupid face and gesture all the time before it to lots of reporters.

^ Target shooters and mass murderers both like guns. Doesn't mean all target shooters are mass murderers. Being tough on immigration doesn't make Trump Hitler.

11/8/2018 8:04:13 AM

When he frames those people as drug runners, gang members, rapists, and welfare queens it does.

11/8/2018 8:56:02 AM

^ http://www.samquinones.com/books/dreamland/

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"Meanwhile, a massive influx of black tar heroin—cheap, potent, and originating from one small county, Xalisco, Nayarit, on Mexico’s west coast and independent of any drug cartel, assaulted small town and mid-sized cities across the country, driven by a brilliant, almost unbeatable marketing and distribution system. Together these phenomena continue to lay waste to communities from Tennessee to Oregon, Indiana to New Mexico."

11/8/2018 9:04:18 AM

He’s not tough on immigration, he’s a white nationalist.

Stopping drug trafficking is a different thing than immigration, but he wants gullible people to believe the same because it’s easier to sell being against drugs.

When trump says “MS13” he just means Hispanic immigrants.

The proof is in the fact that Trump has been removing less criminals that are here without documentation than Obama has. Trump changed focus to all immigrants, which has taken resources away from finding the violent criminals.

The other proof is in legal immigration. Trump has rescinded legal statuses for maybe a million legal immigrants, and essentially has ended processing of refugee applications.

Trump isn’t tough on immigration, he’s against immigration of brown people completely, for the specific purpose as he clearly stated in Europe, to preserve “cultural identity”.

11/8/2018 9:31:24 AM

^ yeah you're right... It's crazy he lynched all these people openly on the lawn of the White House.

https://nypost.com/2018/10/23/trump-invites-young-black-conservatives-to-white-house/

http://www.phillytrib.com/news/black-pastors-criticized-for-lauding-president-trump/article_03b7da14-d8e6-5cd7-887a-f0c2d465b2f5.html

Lots of white supremacists routinely meet with blacks to discuss prison reform and strengthening communities.


[Edited on November 8, 2018 at 9:45 AM. Reason : A]

11/8/2018 9:42:42 AM

TIL segregationist politicians weren’t white supremacists because they didn’t literally murder black people

[Edited on November 8, 2018 at 10:13 AM. Reason : .]

11/8/2018 10:13:12 AM

^^ LOL, man, how blatant do you expect things to be?

11/8/2018 10:18:45 AM

Yay we have a new eleusis

11/8/2018 10:19:45 AM

I've basically stayed out of it since 2016 and didn't vote for Trump. It just looks from the outside as different flavor of "Obama is a Muslim destroying the nation" hysteria.

11/8/2018 10:41:55 AM

Outside of what?

It's amazing how fast you just went from new voice in the room to completely irrelevant as a participant in the conversation.

11/8/2018 10:44:59 AM

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"I've basically stayed out of it since 2016 and didn't vote for Trump."

That's fine, but you can't come in here and make stupid ass "both sides" arguments when you admit you haven't even been paying attention outside of a surface level.

[Edited on November 8, 2018 at 10:49 AM. Reason : .]

11/8/2018 10:48:54 AM

Outside the circus around Trump. I haven't followed it other than than the primaries and election night of 2016. The media's feeding into it clearly works to his advantage. It's like complaining about the Kardashians, talking about them even negatively only makes them stronger.

I'd read Dreamland around the time he got elected so everytime the Mexican thing was brought up I knew what he was talking about. Opioids are a huge fucking problem. It's easier to say they bring gangs in a press conference than to explain the nuance to the modern heroin supply chain.

11/8/2018 10:54:34 AM

so he is hitler again, why?

I see the following similarities:

1. Came to power in democratic manner (AKA was elected)
2. Remarkably unattractive
3. Ridiculous choice of grooming

am I missing something?

11/8/2018 10:56:43 AM

^
who are you talking to? the only person who said that was CaelNCSU, sarcastically

Quote :

"The media's feeding into it clearly works to his advantage."

You won't find many people here who disagree with you, but just because the media is doing a shitty job doesn't mean we shouldn't criticize a terrible president. I mean, what??

11/8/2018 11:00:48 AM

Anytime I dig in beyond a Reddit headline I find a story taken out of context to make him look like Hitler. The handicapped reporter is a perfect example--there are dozens of clips of him doing the same thing to reporters not handicapped.

Not following it is the only way not to go nuts. I have followed the tactics the media uses to bait people into anger and rabble rousing.

11/8/2018 11:00:50 AM

guyz hes not Hitler because hes not only bad to handicapped people

11/8/2018 11:03:54 AM

^^I think you might be well behind the current thinking and issues. And admittedly so. Might be time to not be on the "outside" for a little bit. And yea, reddit might not be the right place to start.

Dude is not Hitler. He is Trump, a new, and as yet, unfinished threat.

[Edited on November 8, 2018 at 11:04 AM. Reason : p]

11/8/2018 11:03:54 AM

On the terrible president front, his supporters see a president willing to defend our border against invading opioids traffickers and him standing in from of factories opening creating jobs. That kind of imaging is super powerful despite the likely huge tax giveaway. It appeals to the American identity of the past, uses images. When you start debating facts or numbers against that you've lost.

They basically think he's Jesus, because his theatrics are on point. He's the president we deserve in this era.

11/8/2018 11:08:31 AM

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"there are dozens of clips of him doing the same thing to reporters not handicapped. "

post ‘em

11/8/2018 11:21:20 AM

I think opioid trafficking plays an EXTREMELY minor role in the “defending the border” hysteria. There’s a reason that the immigrant caravan wasn’t described by trumpkins as full of drug traffickers. It was described as being full of ISIS terrorists, smallpox victims, Latin gang members. They hate immigrants at our southern border because they’re brown and are gonna “repopulate our sacred white nation.” They hate them because they’re brown, not because some transport drugs. There’s a reason Trump has expanded ICE but not the DEA. There’s a reason Trump has put kids in cages but has mostly refused to addressing Opiate abuse through Medicaid etc etc etc.

You are projecting your knowledge of opiate trafficking onto these people in an effort to understand where they are coming from. Instead just go talk to them face to face and I think you’ll find the true motivation is they straight don’t want Hispanics in their hometown.

11/8/2018 11:23:54 AM

^^^ That's true. The supporters at his rallies always say he's sent by God to save USA.

[Edited on November 8, 2018 at 11:47 AM. Reason : especially people in the midwest]

11/8/2018 11:46:58 AM

Fox News hosts have been talking about the "Hispanic takeover of our culture" for years.

11/8/2018 11:47:41 AM

Imagine thinking Trumps rhetoric was actually based on his nuanced understanding of the opiate supply chain and not an appeal to basic bigotry. Seriously. Imagine having that thought?

11/8/2018 12:04:02 PM

Fox news, right wing: these people are a threat to our culture

Enlightened centrist: it's really about the opiate trade

11/8/2018 12:12:06 PM

^^ It doesn't have to be nuanced for him. There is a line of truth that isn't bigotry and pretending their isn't is dishonest (pointing out Trump is dishonest here doesn't win the argument).

^ It's telling that when you ask a Trump supporter for things Obama did well that they say, "He was horrible and did nothing". Same thing here, nothing Trump does could be well intentioned when you ask people on the left.



[Edited on November 8, 2018 at 12:16 PM. Reason : a]

11/8/2018 12:12:43 PM

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"there are dozens of clips of him doing the same thing to reporters not handicapped. "

As was asked earlier: Post 'em.

And be sure to include the dates as well: I've never been convinced that Trump didn't just start doing the same thing AFTER the fact as damage control.

11/8/2018 12:22:36 PM

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"Same thing here, nothing Trump does could be well intentioned when you ask people on the left. "

Not true, the left has defended his (admittedly dubious) attempts at peace between North and South Korea. Keep in mind that this conversation is about left vs right, not center (media & democrats) vs. right.

There just isn't a lot to defend when your policy revolves around white fear and consolidating wealth into the hands of the mega rich.

[Edited on November 8, 2018 at 12:48 PM. Reason : .]

11/8/2018 12:45:39 PM

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"Same thing here, nothing Trump does could be well intentioned when you ask people on the left. "

When he teabagged Mia Love and Jeff Flake on live TV yesterday, not gonna speak to his intentions, but it was great! In fact, anytime he throws another Republican under the bus after they "fail" him in some way, it's goddamn awesome.

[Edited on November 8, 2018 at 12:57 PM. Reason : .]

11/8/2018 12:57:20 PM

CaelNCSU spitting the truth ITT.

Quote :

" Same thing here, nothing Trump does could be well intentioned when you ask people on the left. "

If the leftists were honest, they would fully approve of Trumps tariff and protectionist policies. This is historically a liberal economic position (though Obama and Clinton deviated from this), and you know the leftists praise Sanders for his similar protectionist views.

11/8/2018 1:45:52 PM

lets be honest here: Lets say you have a new boss at work. You have know about this person for years and its well known they have acted like a total asshole and said awful things. You do not agree with their beliefs. Now lets say he has been your boss for awhile and done and said all kinds of insane and stupid shit. He then proposes something that you might agree with but on principle you know he is going to completely fuck it up and act like a shithead about it. Why should I believe he is acting in good faith on something that is complicated and nuanced?



[Edited on November 8, 2018 at 1:59 PM. Reason : L]

11/8/2018 1:57:43 PM

^^
Nice try, but here's a nuanced view of the tariffs from the largest socialist magazine in circulation

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/03/donald-trump-tariffs-protectionism-trade

Summary: Trump's form of protectionism is meant to protect US corporations, not workers, and offers no incentives for them to raise wages or provide better working conditions.

[Edited on November 8, 2018 at 2:04 PM. Reason : .]

11/8/2018 2:02:13 PM

What's amazing is that the irony of a conservative complaining about politicians opposing policies they used to support because of the person proposing them is totally lost on him.

11/8/2018 2:05:03 PM

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"Marc E. Elias ? @marceelias BREAKING: The Florida Senate election has further narrowed. Bill Nelson now trails by only 17,333 or .21%. It is now in HAND recount territory. More ballots still being counted. I expect that margin to narrow further until recount."

Florida is gonna Florida y'all.

[Edited on November 8, 2018 at 2:19 PM. Reason : .]

11/8/2018 2:19:02 PM

Stacey Abrams is still refusing to concede, what Nelson and Gillum should have done. Blatant voter suppression should be fought.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-kemp-declares-win-says-rival-using-old-134232027--election.html

11/8/2018 2:20:53 PM

^^^^Thats actually a pretty fair criticism of the tariffs, and a lot of what is argued (tarrifs wont generate the volume of job growth expected, how are tariffs supposed to help with national security?) aligns with the arguments of most free-traders. Some of the free trade assumptions are off base (domesday scenario?), and bringing up the corporate profit bogeyman continues to be laughable, especially by so-called socialists.

Thanks for sending, it's interesting to see how liberals contort their thinking to oppose the president on an issue they would completely back if President Sanders enacted it.

[Edited on November 8, 2018 at 2:21 PM. Reason : ^]

11/8/2018 2:20:59 PM

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"What's amazing is that the irony of a conservative complaining about politicians opposing policies they used to support because of the person proposing them is totally lost on him."

I understand it. It means you have no principles. You just want your team to win and the other team to lose. Even if the other team is doing something you agree with.

11/8/2018 2:23:54 PM

lol how can you read that article and see it as contortion? Leftist protectionism would be very different from what we're seeing with Trump. Socialism is global, and moving underpaid, dangerous, and soon to be obsolete jobs from one country to another isn't it.

https://berniesanders.com/issues/ending-the-race-to-the-bottom/

[Edited on November 8, 2018 at 2:30 PM. Reason : .]

11/8/2018 2:27:32 PM