^ they are getting pretty desperate aren't they? Next thing you know they'll be making up fake black guys that gently scratched backwards "Bs" in to their faces while robbing them, and using that as an excuse you shouldn't vote for Obama.

10/24/2008 5:23:48 PM

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"It specifies the county where he was born."

Only, it doesn't. It just says he was born. Nice try

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"Why are you still here after that tirade? On no other moderated message board on the internet have I seen anyone get away with something like that for long."

Typical liberal, espousing censorship of dissident opinions

10/24/2008 5:28:02 PM

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"Only, it doesn't. "

Only, it does.

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg

I'll accept an apology for the name calling, and for you to concede that you're an idiot, now, thank you.

Actually, I missed that it lists the city, Honolulu, which is even better than the county.

[Edited on October 24, 2008 at 5:49 PM. Reason : .]

10/24/2008 5:43:05 PM

and yet, it still doesn't provide proof. That's what a birth certificate does. Funny how they can't seem to round one of those up. wonder why... There's a reason there are two forms. There's a reason they are different. But nah, let's just ignore that. That certificate is based upon the word of the parents. A birth certificate is based upon the word of the people who actually delivered the child. One has a motivation to lie, the other really doesn't. And no, the motivation for the parents is not "so Obama could be president one day."


So tell me. Why won't Obama provide a birth certificate? Why won't he provide his medical records? Why won't he provide his college records? Why won't Obama tell us who the fuck he really is?

10/24/2008 5:49:40 PM

if there was really anything to that I am fairly certain the Clintons wouldve found it and capitalized on it.

10/24/2008 5:56:15 PM

Show where a "certificate of live birth" is not the same thing as a birth certificate. Because I have a feeling you think they are two seperate things when they are just two different terms for the same thing.

[Edited on October 24, 2008 at 5:59 PM. Reason : .]

10/24/2008 5:57:54 PM

show where they are the same. Because you can damned well believe it would have been done by now by the media if they were.

and, again, please explain why he won't release his full one. please explain why he won't release his college records. please explain why he won't release his medical records. please explain why the hospitals now suddenly won't talk. Explain why he hasn't addressed a legal request by a DEMOCRATIC ATTOURNEY GENERAL to prove his citizenship. Please. Explain what he is hiding

10/24/2008 6:06:16 PM

^^^^ What you mean like he has done in the 2 books he's written, and a good year on the campaign trail?

I didn't realize someone's grades and birth certificates represent who they REALLY are.

Ha! DO you realize how dumb you sound? I'm guessing you don't.

[Edited on October 24, 2008 at 6:08 PM. Reason : ]

10/24/2008 6:08:16 PM

you are correct, they don't tell you who someone is in the metaphorical sense, but they do tell us a lot about who that person is in the physical sense. As in, what he has actually done, where he was, you know, BORN, that kind of thing. But tell me: all recent candidates have released things such as college records and medical records; why won't Obama? Are we instead supposed to rely on the word of a man that has already lied to the public numerous times? (campaign financing, rev. wright, Bill Ayers, Iran)

10/24/2008 6:14:35 PM

Look, the one released is a short-form certificate, as opposed to a long form. If that what you're trying to say? That the short form is not enough?

From the factcheck article:

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"The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department."

So, its good enough for the State Department, and good enough for him to get a passport, but not good enough for you?

I'm waiting for you to concede that you're an idiot, and to apologize.

10/24/2008 6:16:03 PM

He has.

EDIT: Obama, not Aaronburro

[Edited on October 24, 2008 at 6:16 PM. Reason : ]

10/24/2008 6:16:12 PM

no, he has released scanned copies. He hasn't released the one document that would silence everyone on the matter. why?

10/24/2008 6:17:30 PM

^ Are you doubting that he graduated college? Because that's a pretty absurd accusation.

I don't know why he hasn't released his college record, but considering he was a college professor that could have taken a tenure track, i'd assume his record can't be too bad. Better than Bush's, Kerry's, or McCains in any case.

But, you DO realize if things had been flipped, you would have not cared about MCCain's transcript? Partisan hackery at its finest.

10/24/2008 6:17:53 PM

aaronburro has lost his mind.. it will be funny to see his reaction when Obama destroys McCain on the 2nd

10/24/2008 6:19:12 PM

ummm, no. there are a lot of questions about his college record that would include whether he got financial aid for being a foreigner. No one doubts he graduated college, you dipshit.

but again, I ask you, what's so bad about releasing his college records, when all other recent candidates have done so? what is he hiding?

10/24/2008 6:19:30 PM

^I'm sorry, have you conceded that you're an idiot on the matter of his birth certificate yet? Because I just endured a tirade of insults and spent a lot of time spoon-feeding you this shit. It's carzak appreciation time.

10/24/2008 6:23:24 PM

^^ I don't think they give financial aid just for being a foreigner. And they don't generally give scholarships for international students to American citizens.

And I don't know what would be bad about him releasing his record, except that there's not really anything to gain from it, so why bother?

What exactly will him releasing his college records show you? How would that comfort you in any way?

[Edited on October 24, 2008 at 6:24 PM. Reason : ]

10/24/2008 6:24:00 PM

umm, no I have NOT conceded it, because he has NOT supplied his REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE to anyone. He has provided photos. But, I tell you what, how about I sell you some property. I have the deed to it. I'll give you photos of it, ok? You do realize that the real birth certificate will tell us in what hospital he was born, if he was actually born there, right? Of course, if he wasn't born in a hospital (as in, maybe he was born in his parent's apartment cause they didn't get to the hospital in time), then that lends more credence to the rumours of a foreign birth, right?

so tell me, why won't he provide that anyone? why won't he give them the real, original copy?

^ there's also nothing for him to lose, right? McCain has already done it. Why won't Barack? And, you are a fucking FOOL if you think there aren't scholarships and financial aid for foreigners. good lord.

10/24/2008 6:25:38 PM

^ i didn't say scholarships don't exist for foreigners, I said they wouldn't give one for JUST being a foreigner, and they wouldn't give one to an American citizen (which Obama clearly is).

10/24/2008 6:29:19 PM

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"umm, no I have NOT conceded it, because he has NOT supplied his REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE to anyone. He has provided photos. "

WRONG, sir!

He has supplied his REAL short-form birth certificate to reporters, WHO HAVE TAKEN PICTURES OF IT THEMSELVES.

You would have known all of this shit had you bothered to read the factcheck article. Why have you not bothered to read it? If you do not think it is worth the effort to educate yourself, why should I bother trying? I'm done with you.

10/24/2008 6:31:21 PM

ummm, no, he isn't clearly an American citizen. Otherwise, there would, you know, be no questions about it. But, you see, there's this crazy guy from Pennsylvania, a Democrat mind you, who has asked in court. And Obama hasn't answered. And yes, there are scholarships that are given out for being a foreigner. You lose. Yes, it's not exclusively for being one, but it is linked to it. So give the fuck up and admit that Obama is hiding something

^ and, as has been pointed out MANY TIMES, that short-form is not the birth certificate. That is produced by the hospital. he has not released that. now, why?

and of course you are done with me. because you don't like the facts. Holes have been poked in even the factcheck article. But it's ok. Run away and worship your messiah some more.

[Edited on October 24, 2008 at 6:34 PM. Reason : ]

10/24/2008 6:33:15 PM

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"there are scholarships that are given out for being a foreigner. You lose. Yes, it's not exclusively for being one, but it is linked to it."

SO you're saying Obama lied about being a foreigner in order to get a scholarship?

You're just one step away now from making up a story about how a big black guy cut a backwards "B" in to your face.

[Edited on October 24, 2008 at 6:35 PM. Reason : ]

10/24/2008 6:34:13 PM

nope, not at all. nice strawman. it's typical of the nonsense you put forth around here. when you have been beaten, and clearly so, you try to make shit up. Good work.

10/24/2008 6:35:39 PM

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"that short-form is not the birth certificate. That is produced by the hospital. he has not released that. now, why?"

Here you go, baby, eat it up!

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"The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate"

I still have hope that there is a neuron in that head that will set off a lightbulb.

[Edited on October 24, 2008 at 6:54 PM. Reason : .]

10/24/2008 6:53:16 PM

^^I hate to be the one to give this news to you, but an argument is not a strawman just because you say it is. Nest think you know, you'll be saying that some big black guy carved a letter in to your face, when that was all just in your head too.

[Edited on October 24, 2008 at 6:54 PM. Reason : ]

10/24/2008 6:53:33 PM

welp, then show me where I said Obama lied about being a foreigner in order to get a scholarship. cause I sure as hell don't see where I said it, and yet you have suggested that I did. that, my friend, is our good old friend, the STRAW MAN. you lose.

^^ so then, it's only by convenience that he can hide the truth. niiiiiiiice. It gets even better, basically. Obama's mother flies into the US w/ a baby, goes to a hospital and says "hey, I had this a couple days ago at my house, can I get a birth certificate, k?" And that, can easily be done. But suuuuure, there's no need to see the long-form to see if that's the case. nah, no need for that

[Edited on October 24, 2008 at 7:01 PM. Reason : ]

10/24/2008 6:55:37 PM

^ You didn't say it but you implied it. Why else would you be wondering if Obama got a scholarship as a foreigner? Why would you even think to ask something like this, if you didn't question in your mind, and wanted others to question, that maybe Obama lied to get a scholarship.

What is your reasoning, if I may ask, that you wonder if Obama maybe got a scholarship as a foreigner?

10/24/2008 6:57:46 PM

the HELL I implied it. that's why it's a fucking strawman. please. show where I even hinted that he lied. I stated that his college transcript would show whether or not he got any assistance for being a foreigner. YOU ARE THE ONE claiming that translates to Obama lying

10/24/2008 7:02:36 PM

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"there are a lot of questions about his college record that would include whether he got financial aid for being a foreigner."

- aaronburro

Does someone else have your password or something? Because this would be the second time you apparently did NOt say something you clearly DID say.

10/24/2008 7:07:09 PM

and that implies lying how? If Obama has scholarships which are related to being a foreigner, then that would, you know, lend credence to claims that he is not a US citizen. Are you REALLY that fucking stupid, or are you just so desperately beaten that you are clawing for any ground you can get?

10/24/2008 7:11:43 PM

Hello? I answered why Obama hasn't released his long-form birth certificate, and proved that he is not hiding anything about it. It is only due to state policy.

You are truly delusional if you still believe the man is not a U.S. citizen afer presented with all this information.

10/24/2008 7:12:15 PM

ummm, no. I've already addressed that. thx for playing, though

10/24/2008 7:12:40 PM

Oh I see, you edited your post to include some fantastic conspiracy theory. Yep, that addressed it. That does it then, he must not be a U.S. citizen.

10/24/2008 7:24:51 PM

this election would be a lot less interesting without aaronburro

10/24/2008 7:26:56 PM

non-US citizens regularly skirt the citizenship requirement and are infiltrating the US Senate.






don'tcha know?

10/24/2008 7:41:11 PM

^^ for real with hooksaw gone we HAVE to have someone to blindly and unconditionally carry the Republican flag to rationalize even the most absurd behavior/actions.

Just hearing all the liberals and neutrals (like me) talk would get boring.

[Edited on October 24, 2008 at 7:42 PM. Reason : L]

10/24/2008 7:42:36 PM

I really don't know why you guys even both replying to him.

I was just about to go "it's like arguing with ______"

But I can't think of anything that's even remotely as dumb as he is.

[Edited on October 24, 2008 at 8:12 PM. Reason : To be more on topic; Palin is dropping the puck at the St Louis Blues game tonight]

10/24/2008 8:03:13 PM

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"and that implies lying how? If Obama has scholarships which are related to being a foreigner, then that would, you know, lend credence to claims that he is not a US citizen. "

Look, aren't you in an engineering major of some sort? It's not really that complicated.

Obama is a citizen (we know this because he has a birth certificate, a social security card,and is not classified as a resident alien), Obama applies for scholarship only for international students, Obama gets scholarship, somewhere he must have agreed he wasn't a citizen, therefore, Obama lied in order to get a scholarship.

The other possibility is that Obama is not in fact a citizen, and he only RECENTLY faked his birth certificate, everyone he knows is in on the lie, and only aaronburro and his white republican friends who have a fear of 6'4" black men know the truth.

Which one of these camps do you fall in to? Do you believe that Obama is not a citizen and only is recently lying about it, or he IS a citizen and lied about it to get a scholarship?

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"Are you REALLY that fucking stupid, or are you just so desperately beaten that you are clawing for any ground you can get? "

lols

10/24/2008 8:12:47 PM

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"a campaign worker has now confessed to making up a story that a mugger attacked her "

OK I blew it on this one. I ask for TSB forgiveness.

10/24/2008 8:13:37 PM

^ you have our forgiveness.

10/24/2008 8:14:06 PM

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"Look, aren't you in an engineering major of some sort? It's not really that complicated. Obama is a citizen (we know this because he has a birth certificate, a social security card,and is not classified as a resident alien), Obama applies for scholarship only for international students, Obama gets scholarship, somewhere he must have agreed he wasn't a citizen, therefore, Obama lied in order to get a scholarship. The other possibility is that Obama is not in fact a citizen, and he only RECENTLY faked his birth certificate, everyone he knows is in on the lie, and only aaronburro and his white republican friends who have a fear of 6'4" black men know the truth. Which one of these camps do you fall in to? Do you believe that Obama is not a citizen and only is recently lying about it, or he IS a citizen and lied about it to get a scholarship?"

And there is where YOU are creating the strawman. I merely note that it lends credence to the questions. YOU are the one reading more into it than I ever put. Thus, it's a good ol' scarecrow.

BTW, carzak, I agree that that is a crazy conspiracy story, but, as I have already said, it is something that could be hidden very easily under the present circumstances. As well, it is something that is being questioned right now in court, by a guy with a shit ton more evidence than I have, namely sworn affidavits from Obama's relatives and records from Kenyan hospitals. Trust me, I gave a guy the the other day when he brought this up to me, too. I merely stumbled upon the Berg situation today while googling some random stuff.

10/24/2008 8:29:47 PM

This just starts to get worse for McCain...

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"John McCain's Pennsylvania communications director told reporters in the state an incendiary version of the hoax story about the attack on a McCain volunteer well before the facts of the case were known or established... McCain's Pennsylvania campaign communications director gave one of his reporters a detailed version of the attack that included a claim that the alleged attacker said, "You're with the McCain campaign? I'm going to teach you a lesson.""

- http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/mccain_aide_gave_reporters_inc.php

GG

He's as bad as the people who jumped on the Duke Lacrosse team on the word of a stripper

10/24/2008 8:31:23 PM

well, to be as fair as possible, which really doesn't help McCain much, the person in reference may have been giving the story that the dumb bitch gave him.

10/24/2008 8:32:48 PM

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"and yet, it still doesn't provide proof. That's what a birth certificate does. Funny how they can't seem to round one of those up. wonder why... There's a reason there are two forms. There's a reason they are different. But nah, let's just ignore that. That certificate is based upon the word of the parents. A birth certificate is based upon the word of the people who actually delivered the child. One has a motivation to lie, the other really doesn't. And no, the motivation for the parents is not "so Obama could be president one day." "

The reason it is referred to as a live birth certificate is to distinguish it from a certificate documenting a still birth. The live birth certificate form has a section for the certifier of the birth to fill out which in most cases is the doctor or hospital where the baby is born.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/birth11-03final-ACC.pdf

10/24/2008 9:06:24 PM

^^ she'd make a good pumpkin carving at least

10/24/2008 9:23:20 PM

[Edited on October 24, 2008 at 10:08 PM. Reason : :]

10/24/2008 10:06:05 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081025/ap_on_el_pr/christian_right_attacks

Gays settlin' down! Pornography for children! Terror strikes on the U.S.! Russian invasion! The world will end! Oh... and long lines for sugery!

10/25/2008 12:15:36 AM

sounds about right

10/25/2008 12:18:54 AM

Wassup 2008

10/25/2008 1:42:09 AM

Look at page 1 of this thread. That's the reason Mccain is going to lose -- he picked Palin to stop an Obama convention bounce. He won the battle but lost the war. (I will not concede that he an his campaign were so stupid they thought HRC supporters would flip, like the people on page 1 did).

Now, the emperor's new clothes gets played out every time some Mccain surrogate has to go out and push Palin. The fact that they even have to defend her qualifications at a basic level this late in the game shows how flawed a choice she was.

This is in contrast to Obama. People had the same questions about Obama's basic qualifications right after the GOP convention, but the debates showed people that this was not a case of Obama being out of his league. As a result, the Obama campaign doesn't have to defend Obama's qualifications at a basic level anymore, and they have been able to push their message on issues.

The fact that Mccain is now talking about tax plans and socialism is a concession -- talking about Obama's fundamental character and experience didn't work. The problem with addressing Obama's tax plan directly is that it acknowledges that McCain's ideas and Obama's ideas are on the same level and that the american people simply have a choice between to equals. That's a losing position for Mccain.

[Edited on October 25, 2008 at 2:14 AM. Reason : .]

10/25/2008 2:08:13 AM