Just got off the phone with Roy. He said that since he got that new contract extension, all the popcorn in this thread is on him!

What a great guy!

6/19/2015 4:13:38 PM

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"Ken Medlin ?@kenmedlin 2m2 minutes ago Another transfer from UNC's women's basketball program: UNC grants Stephanie Mavunga her release to contact other schools"

The exodus continues. Still is fucking shameful they're gonna pin this all on women's basketball.

6/19/2015 4:20:02 PM

Obviously they're self imposed penalties will include post-season bans for women's bb because they don't have a shot now

6/19/2015 4:32:55 PM

it would be pretty hilarious to see the same kind of mass exodus with men's basketball

6/19/2015 4:42:45 PM

No shame

6/20/2015 3:00:16 AM

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"Jay Smith ?@jaysmith711 8h8 hours ago Roy extended but Sylvia prepped for the chopping block? Deal with this fact: the 2005 men's team took well over 100 paper classes. WELL OVER"

You know, if each player took 1 or 2, then you can maybe say the player was just padding the GPA like anyone would do with an easy class.

BUT 100 fucking fake classes for one year of a team. You've got to be shitting me. There's no way everyone involved didn't know exactly what the deal was and its insane to argue otherwise.

6/20/2015 11:56:03 AM

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""Yeah, that was kind of a big red flag for me," DeFranco said. "I made sure to ask coaches about it and they said I have their word that it won't affect football. They said in the report from the NCAA that it doesn't mention football one time ... there will be sanctions, but it's going to be for other sports.""

6/20/2015 12:44:59 PM

^^It makes sense. If I remember right, that team was all juniors and seniors except for Marvin Williams, so they'd already taken all the "real" easy classes they could and would have had to matriculate or drop/fail out. AFAM paper classes was their only option to stay eligible at that point.

6/20/2015 1:45:31 PM

^^that shit pisses me off so much after hearing Roy and Fedora bitch and moan for the last 2-3 years about "negative recruiting" due to the investigation. You can't complain about other teams taking advantage of a completely real, not made up NCAA investigation while you lie about potential outcomes of the investigation.

6/20/2015 2:05:48 PM

https://twitter.com/TheBenSwain/status/612220426861850625

6/22/2015 10:58:09 AM

Can you lie to a recruit like that?

6/22/2015 11:07:56 AM

^yeah you can pretty much say or promise anything to a recruit as long as you don't cross the line of giving them money, goods, services, etc.

recruiting is shady as hell. and i honestly don't care that UNC is straight up lying to recruits (nobody knows what, if any punishment will be) - but for UNC's own coaches to bitch relentlessly about supposed "negative recruiting" from other schools and then say this stuff, it's just more typical holier-than-thou UNC bullshit.

also, i've said it before on here, but the idea that "negative recruiting" is dirty or underhanded is so stupid. if all we're talking about is a rival coach saying "you don't wanna go to UNC - look at this scandal, they'll be on probation, they'll get postseason bans, etc" i see nothing wrong at all about that. while the rival coaches may be leading a recruit on by insinuating that UNC will definitely be punished - when that may or may not be the case - i don't find it to be dirty at all.

6/22/2015 4:04:58 PM

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"They said in the report from the NCAA that it doesn't mention football one time"

yeah dog

6/22/2015 9:50:30 PM

"College sports coach" is little better ethically as a job than "used car salesman". It's just the ones in football and men's basketball are paid handsomely. In women's basketball recruiting, I don't know if it happens that much anymore, but they (not Carolina, just anyone) used to put the gossip out there that some coaches were lesbians to detract some potential recruits from certain schools.

[Edited on June 23, 2015 at 9:31 AM. Reason : /]

6/23/2015 9:30:51 AM

you guys see the petition they're putting together over at Pack Pride?

lol, but those guys did start this whole thing so props to them for that at least.

6/30/2015 11:08:27 AM

^yea that petition is

i was wondering what they were gonna do once this investigation was over and punishment was handed down - apparently they're gonna just keep writing letters and petitions and try to never let it die.

6/30/2015 11:50:10 AM

did we ever find out what the "kraken" was? or Pack Pride's secret weapon of damming evidence or whatnot

6/30/2015 12:16:10 PM

I think rather than a huge harsh punishment, I'd rather things continue to get uncovered by PackPride over the next couple decades. That way a formerly 25 year old UNC fan who is like "well I just want to get this over with" will be 50 years old, wondering why it will never end.

6/30/2015 12:48:30 PM

yeah i would be cool with that ^ just a never ending slow leak of violations

6/30/2015 1:16:50 PM

it's like a Room 1408 situation

6/30/2015 1:17:33 PM

PP will always be on the lookout for UNC breaking their never ending probation.

6/30/2015 1:45:13 PM

Anything that could be released today by unc?

7/3/2015 1:38:16 PM

This has little to do with UNC, but it's a reason to bump this thread

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/hornets-hairston-facing-more-legal-trouble-after-traffic-stop/14762054/

7/9/2015 8:44:30 AM

Brian Barbour MORON

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"Sports blogger Brian Barbour said he believes Hatchell will retire after this year. “Roy Williams — he had pretty good reasonings why he didn’t know, and he took an active stance to get his players away from those classes,” Barbour said. “Sylvia Hatchell doesn’t have anything like that. She’s got the primary academic adviser in her program that was neck deep in it, and I just don’t see how she survives. What I discussed with one of my writers is that basically I think she gets a farewell tour this year, and I think that’s it.”"

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2015/07/hatchell-supporters-push-unc-administration

7/9/2015 11:51:15 AM

They have likely been planning to pin this on womens basketball or other sports for quite a while now. Even if Roy saw the writing on the wall and knew this thing was going to crumble soon that doesnt excuse the fact that his teams had been taking advantage of it since his arrival and won titles in part because of it. Its all up to the NCAA, if they dont hammer UNC into oblivion their days are over because the precedent will be set that you can run systemic academic fraud for nearly 2 decades and its totally worth it if you can snag a few titles.

7/9/2015 3:58:18 PM

He didn't know, yet he took actions to get his players out of those classes....

So either he did, or he didn't know...which one is it?

7/9/2015 4:05:52 PM

When Roy is in a recruit's living room talking with their parents, he probably tells them he'll have no idea what classes they'll be taking

7/9/2015 4:10:58 PM

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"their days are over because the precedent will be set that you can run systemic academic fraud for nearly 2 decades and its totally worth it if you can snag a few titles."

Except that the new NCAA rules allow for schools to be punished exactly for what UNC did

[Edited on July 9, 2015 at 4:14 PM. Reason : ]

7/9/2015 4:14:19 PM

^^^Neither. He's from the mountains!

7/9/2015 4:24:05 PM

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"Except that the new NCAA rules allow for schools to be punished exactly for what UNC did"

Thats great and all but the actual punishment is what matters. If they end up with a few scholarship reductions, some vacated wins, and no post season ban you dont think every other school isnt gonna start doing the same thing? Then when they get caught they will have a clear case to point at if they get anything worse and sue the fuck out of the NCAA. I still believe the NCAA will do next to nothing, this will be what leads to schools basically going out on their own away from the NCAA, and UNC will instead be cheering themselves as the school that brought down the mean corrupt NCAA that was out to get them the whole time.

7/10/2015 8:16:08 AM

We need someone to commit to us secretly, and then go in home with UNC and Kentucky asking (with a recorder) about how they are going to be able to keep up with the class load and pass tests and things like that ... just get recruiters to open up on tape.

There has got to be people willing to do some good recon for the NCAA -- surprised we dont see that happening ALL THE TIME honestly.

<I AINT NO SNITCH, FOOL>

7/10/2015 10:11:17 AM

Makes me sad that Jay Bilas or anyone really thinks the NCAA should be staying out of this whole thing and that its not an NCAA matter. Been in a long argument with him on twitter this morning about it haha. NCAA is the only entity left who can punish those cheating assholes. SACS basically gave them a pass and UNC is definitely not gonna punish themselves. Letting them skate with no real punishment just makes my head spin.

7/10/2015 1:35:32 PM

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"UNC men’s basketball target Sacha Killeya-Jones: Roy Williams "100 percent positive" no sanctions. @patjames24: http://t.co/dRejubYuVA"

7/10/2015 10:47:34 PM

bilas is an idiot and shill but this technically isn't an ncaa issue it's a fraudulent college - they should be killed reputation wise academically and sued to kingdom come by students so i guess i side with him on this

of/c the penn state thing wasnt technically an ncaa issue either and that didnt stop them in that case

[Edited on July 10, 2015 at 10:53 PM. Reason : s]

7/10/2015 10:53:33 PM

2nd sentence of the article

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"En route to a pick-up game with the North Carolina men’s basketball team"

Isn't this what got State banned from the 73 tourney?

7/10/2015 10:54:39 PM

^^ Obvious troll is obvious. This "fraudulent college" was set up for the explicit purpose of keeping athletes eligible who otherwise would have failed out of school. UNC gained an advantage because its players could focus almost completely on practice and basketball instead of devoting time to academics the way every other school's athletes had to do. If that's not in the purview of the NCAA, then what the hell is?

7/10/2015 11:15:30 PM

^^a pickup game where a coach watched/participated.

7/10/2015 11:28:50 PM

http://www.wral.com/accrediting-group-to-unc-show-us-reforms-are-working-to-prevent-academic-fraud/14771175/

7/14/2015 10:41:06 AM

"now that you've had several years to clean up, show us your clean laundry so we can go back to doing nothing about decades of fraud"

7/14/2015 12:34:04 PM

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"With the NCAA allegations, I am trying to wrap my head around how the women’s basketball team has been made the scapegoat in all of this. Our program was not the only team in the report, yet we are the ones being talked about the most. Roy Williams and his program were in the report, and he got a contract extension. The football program was in the report, and its coaching staff was confident enough to tell recruits that they will not receive any repercussions from the NCAA investigation. That leaves the female sport as the one program negatively affected by these allegations. It’s really hard to work for a boss who doesn’t support you and have your back, and that is what Hatchell and her staff are forced to do at this point. It is hard to believe that in the year 2015, we still have people of power who do not support female teams as well as they do their male counterparts. I am proud to be a member of the UNC women’s basketball program, but I cannot say I am proud to represented by an administration that will throw a legendary coach to the wolves to protect men’s athletic teams."

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article27955738.html
http://www.goheels.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=3350&ATCLID=205677533

Get this broad into witness protection now, lest she end up dead in a car on campus somewhere.

7/20/2015 9:27:52 PM

ouch

and

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"throw a legendary coach to the wolves"

quite literally but their offering is insufficient

7/20/2015 9:36:29 PM

kudos to her. well done.

7/21/2015 10:26:18 AM

We need to get this lady drunk/stoned and have her spill the beans on tape.

7/21/2015 7:54:49 PM

http://www.heraldsun.com/sports/unc/x399479507/Folt-retains-UNC-faculty-athletics-watchdog

7/24/2015 10:02:34 AM

I can't understand how they aren't getting called out more on stuff like this.


Well I can but...........

7/24/2015 11:30:36 AM

From some guy name blueisstillevil on Pack Pride

7/24/2015 1:49:48 PM

They're all riled up about something or other over there now

7/24/2015 3:29:47 PM

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"After investigating the scandal for four months, Martin delivered this conclusion to UNC trustees in a hotel ballroom packed with UNC officials and reporters: “This was not an athletic scandal. It was an academic scandal, which is worse; but an isolated one.” UNC officials quickly seized on the finding to tell the public it was time to “move forward.” Shortly after, one trustee and UNC Athletic Director Bubba Cunningham said in an email exchange that the report likely dissuaded the NCAA from digging more deeply into the scandal. Now, in a book slated for release in October, Martin says he misspoke. He believed it was an athletic and academic scandal then, and he believes it now. “I could have said, ‘Not only is it an extraordinary athletic scandal, but it is also an incredibly damaging academic scandal,’” Martin said in a galley of the book provided to The News & Observer by the book publisher."

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article28708351.html

lol, seriously bro?

Took you 4 years to come out with this?

7/25/2015 4:25:26 PM

whitewash an obvious scandal... then try to whitewash yourself

7/25/2015 4:45:59 PM

Really getting too easy

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--smu-s-larry-brown-facing--lack-of-coach-control--charge-from-ncaa-023341831-ncaab.html

7/30/2015 7:41:53 AM