^Who said I have a fantasy about more guns equals less crime? I was simply addressing the fact that I have a hard time believing that gun ownership is down.

Also, those statistics (49% and 100 million guns) are from a recent FBI report, not just John Lott.

And where in the hell is a survey of 2000 people in CHICAGO more valid than, well anything? That is such a small sample size and in a not firearm friendly part of the county. My point being, we can make a "poll" say anything that we want, but that does not necessarily reflect what is actually happening.

[Edited on October 6, 2015 at 8:59 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on October 6, 2015 at 9:04 AM. Reason : .]

10/6/2015 8:57:46 AM

Quote :

"sorry but survey of 2000 people by NORC at the University of Chicago > some opinion piece on foxnews by this guy..."

Actually they are both equally biased shit. Ya'll should really go deeper than the first Google result that supports what you want.

The General Social Survey gets money from the Joyce Foundation (Pro gun control).

Quote :

"The Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC) reports that GSS principal investigator Tom Smith once told John Lott that the decline in gun ownership “implied” by GSS numbers “[made] it easier for politicians to do the right thing on guns.”"

Go with Gallup's 42%

10/6/2015 9:56:39 AM

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"tons and tons of new shooters coming to the sport"

lol

10/6/2015 11:23:31 AM

Conservatives are starting to compromise on gun control:
http://www.forwardprogressives.com/former-rnc-treasurer-randy-pullen-take-guns-away-blacks-main-killers/

Progress!

10/15/2015 12:44:11 PM

^ I laughed

10/15/2015 1:38:16 PM

It's already starting in NC. As of this month, if you are charged with DWi or Misdemeanor Drugs, you are required to be fingerprinted. Since the Feds get sent copies of your prints, thier existence will be used to deny your purchase based "unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance."

10/18/2015 10:18:27 PM

the ATF guidelines even say conviction, if they are denying it based on those fingerprints the courts should take care of that

also, the unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance is from 18 U.S. Code § 922 (d)(3)3) is an

Quote :

"unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));"

If you read 21 USC 802 you will see that alcohol is not a controlled substance

Quote :

"(6) The term “controlled substance” means a drug or other substance, or immediate precursor, included in schedule I, II, III, IV, or V of part B of this subchapter. The term does not include distilled spirits, wine, malt beverages, or tobacco, as those terms are defined or used in subtitle E of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986."

also, the definition for addict in that section requires habitual use

tl;dr
i don't see how they can use your fingerprints alone to deny your purchase permit, and if anyone tries i can't see how a court upholds it

10/19/2015 9:26:59 AM

18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(3) does not say anything about a conviction. In reads. "is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act." Thus the government does not need to prove you are addicted based on convictions. And under 21 U.S.C § 802 the term “addict” means any individual who habitually uses any narcotic drug so as to endanger the public morals, health, safety, or welfare, or who is so far addicted to the use of narcotic drugs as to have lost the power of self-control with reference to his addiction. That's a pretty damn low standard.

Secondly, the DWI comes into play 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(1) as "a person convicted of a crime punishable by imprisonment exceeding one year." That would require a conviction.

That is just the Federal side. Under http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/SessionLaws/HTML/2015-2016/SL2015-195.html The sheriff shall deny a permit to an applicant who Is an unlawful user of, or addicted to marijuana, alcohol, or any depressant, stimulant, or narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance as defined in 21 U.S.C. § 802.

With the required fingerprinting, your local Sheriff will have more access to criminal records, thus more grounds to deny you under.

I'm not arguing for or against, just stating the facts.

10/19/2015 10:02:47 AM

Nah, not an issue

10/19/2015 10:14:21 AM

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"If you wanted to kill 2 people, you are going to kill those people by any means necessary. Whether with a gun, knife, sword, car, pipe etc. Wouldn't it have been easier to hit them both with a car than walk up stairs and shoot them? "

Quote :

"Its not about the speed or the ease, its about the fact (I assume since I'm not crazy) that if you've got in your head to kill 2 people, you are going to do so by any means necessary. Maybe you do it by the easiest means which may be a gun, but if guns didn't exist I'm sure that fuckwad would have picked up a samurai sword (or the next best thing) and chopped them to death."

Quote :

"Five people were injured in a stabbing attack Wednesday on a college campus in California, according to the school."

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/11/five-stabbed-california-merced-campus/414196/?utm_source=SFFB

11/4/2015 2:51:17 PM

http://fox4kc.com/2015/11/04/two-suspects-barely-teenagers-accused-of-brutal-stabbing-death-of-lees-summit-woman/

11/5/2015 6:13:08 AM

Nobody argued it was impossible

11/5/2015 8:28:16 AM

^so you are the only one that can post anecdotal news links

11/5/2015 1:45:07 PM

is it not inherently clear to you how knives are not as dangerous as guns? do we actually need to have a debate about if there will usually be as many deaths in school "knifings" compared to school shootings? can't we agree that this is obvious?


[Edited on November 5, 2015 at 2:22 PM. Reason : .]

11/5/2015 2:21:26 PM

^^ The liberals called dibs on spamming anecdotal news links because the "gun nuts" called dibs on statistics and logic.

11/5/2015 3:06:39 PM

^knives can be way more deadly than guns. Knives take a little bit of skill, knowledge, or desire, where guns are more idiot proof.

If I had to go against somebody with a knife who knew what they were doing vs getting shot by an idiot, I would probably pick being shot. A knife is really scary if someone has any idea what they are doing.

11/5/2015 5:58:29 PM

yeah, i forgot all these asperger-having school shooters are trained assassins

11/6/2015 8:44:57 AM

^^I'd much rather take my chances against someone with a knife, since an attacker with a knife has to get within arms reach to attack me. I carry a pocket knife on me all the times, so I could at least even the odds a little bit.

If I was going to argue about more dangerous weapon choices for deranged psychopaths, I'd compare explosives to mass shootings. Even deranged gun nuts like the IRA and Timothy McVeigh have demonstrated that you can create a lot more carnage from a safe distance with a good bombing as compared to a mass shooting.

11/9/2015 1:19:36 AM

^untrained vs untrained, knife would be my choice as well.
Just pointing out that saying a knife is less lethal than a gun is incorrect.

Personal feeling is that bombers have no intention of suicide at the time either. Bombings take a larger degree of knowledge and planning.

[Edited on November 9, 2015 at 6:41 PM. Reason : .]

11/9/2015 6:40:19 PM

you can tell a knife is less lethal by the way that it is

11/10/2015 9:05:14 AM

^^^^ lol

11/10/2015 1:20:28 PM

Quote :

"Just pointing out that saying a knife is less lethal than a gun is incorrect. "

lol. a gun is more lethal, easier to use, more idiot-proof, etc., etc. etc. It's much easier for someone (trained or not) to kill, to kill quicker, to kill more people, with a gun than a knife. It's a fact.

11/10/2015 2:30:35 PM

if you want to conceal carry in NC but dont want to take an 8hr class, just do it online and in 14 minutes get a virgina permit which are valid in NC. good to know

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/special-reports/north-carolinians-using-legal-loophole-avoid-state/nmt4R/

http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_NonresidentConcealed.shtm

[Edited on November 13, 2015 at 6:43 AM. Reason : g]

11/13/2015 6:29:26 AM

^

11/13/2015 10:15:35 AM

I wasted a weekend for nothing

11/13/2015 11:45:44 AM

But you still would need a pistol permit in NC. Not that I have to deal with that in TX but if I was in NC I would want a NC CHL for that reason.

[Edited on November 13, 2015 at 1:34 PM. Reason : To buy a pistol obviously]

11/13/2015 1:33:50 PM

4^ that's some bullshit. I'm all for reciprocity, but there has to be minimum requirements. NC's new law is lacking a bit.

11/13/2015 1:37:10 PM

^^ oh, you can't purchase a gun with an out of state chl? that's a little better at least

11/13/2015 1:38:22 PM

Quote :

"...present a valid permit to purchase a handgun or valid North Carolina issued concealed carry permit."

http://www.ncdoj.gov/getdoc/32344299-a2a7-4ae5-99fd-9018262f64ac/NC-Firearms-gun-Laws.aspx

11/13/2015 2:20:42 PM

helped France

11/14/2015 4:53:51 PM

Mainstream newspapers are citing mass shooting stats generated by a troll subreddit.

12/4/2015 5:39:54 PM

Obama looks like a damn fool when he says we need more gun control laws to stop terrorists who have pipe bombs.

The pipe bomb control laws seem to be working great.

12/6/2015 2:22:52 PM

How many people were killed by the terrorists' pipe bombs? how many people have been killed by pipe bombs this year?

I had Obama's speech on in the background, did he actually mention pipe bombs? I didn't hear it.

12/7/2015 10:15:34 AM

Not only is this pipe bomb bullshit being shoveled by the likes of Rubio and lapped up buy ignorant asses, it's also patently false.

You know why we don't take about bomb control? BECAUSE WE FUCKING HAVE BOMB CONTROL. The DHS has control over ammonium nitrate warehousing, distribution, and sales. You know why? Because when some nut decided to level a city block in Oklahoma City, we decided we should stop nuts from being able to easily kill that many people.

But for some reason, when some nut decides to shoot 5 and 6 year old kids en masse, a majority of congress thinks those lives just aren't worth the $2,500 a year they get from the NRA.

12/7/2015 10:29:01 AM

It's not the money that the NRA gives them, it's the votes that the NRA gets them. Congressmen learned their lesson after the AWB.

12/7/2015 9:27:02 PM

LOL cool

Former Australian Politician: Country Should Issue Travel Warning for US After Shootings
http://mic.com/articles/129707/top-australian-politician-says-country-should-issue-travel-warning-for-us-after-shootings

12/9/2015 7:55:04 PM

Gun control nuts forget pipebombs aren't protected under the 2nd amendment or used for self defense.

12/11/2015 10:59:08 AM

Although that's a stupid comment, and your comments are getting more stupid and annoying by the day, I'll reply that "arms" means weapons used for self defense or defense of property, so it could be argued that pipe bombs are covered by the 2nd amendment.

12/11/2015 11:45:07 AM

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sandy-hook-american-kid-has-died-gun-every-other-day-n478746

Quote :

"Since Sandy Hook, an American Kid [under 12] Has Died by a Gun Every Other Day There are at least 555 reasons to ask whether American children are safer from gun violence today than they were three years ago, when the unthinkable happened at Sandy Hook Elementary School. That's how many kids under the age of 12 have died from gunshots — both intentional and accidental — since Adam Lanza stormed into the school in Newtown, Connecticut, on Dec. 14, 2012, and shot dead 20 children and six staff members, according to an NBC News analysis."

Fucking hell.

Fucking war zone up in here.

If that's not a good reason to do something about this issue, I don't know what is.

Click the link to see a breakdown of rates by state, as well as by gun type, gender, race, and situation.

Long, but a very good read.

Can someone tell me why MONTANA has the highest rate? Louisiana is 2nd highest, but I can understand that.


[Edited on December 14, 2015 at 11:35 PM. Reason : ]

12/14/2015 11:28:32 PM

because nobody lives there

12/15/2015 8:11:27 AM

Except for a few criminals and murdered kids!

12/15/2015 8:16:07 PM

Quote :

"so it could be argued that pipe bombs are covered by the 2nd amendment."

It's my freedum and rite to have pipe bombs! They'll be needed for the defense of my trailer during the freedom wars against Liberal socialists to help blow up their troop transporting vehicles!

12/15/2015 8:19:24 PM

^ man, those are the posts after reading which i wish TWW had a thumbs-up feature!

12/15/2015 8:40:08 PM

Quote :

"Can someone tell me why MONTANA has the highest rate"

Because you get unreliable results when your data set includes 555 people spread across 50 states and 3 years.

12/15/2015 8:45:26 PM

THINK OF THE CHILDREN

12/16/2015 10:47:07 AM

Quote :

"Gun control nuts forget pipebombs aren't protected under the 2nd amendment or used for self defense."

neither are guns, but tell me more about the latest email you have from wayne

12/16/2015 11:24:29 AM

uh, wat?

12/16/2015 11:40:56 AM

?

12/16/2015 1:03:55 PM

read his post as the 2nd amendment protects guns for self defense. my response was that interpretation is a perversion of the intent of the amendment to protect guns for regulated militias. apologies

12/17/2015 11:23:39 AM

racist

12/17/2015 12:22:39 PM