For the rails, I thought grease was recommended versus an oil.

7/7/2010 8:27:12 PM

i want some sort of varmint gun. what calibers do y'all like and why? opinions on .22 hornet?

7/7/2010 9:09:51 PM

^

7/7/2010 9:17:30 PM

ok, it's tacticool and all that jazz

what the fuck is it and will it eliminate a groundhog at 100+ yds?

7/7/2010 9:54:50 PM

I believe its a 10/22, so no, it won't. A .22 hornet is capable, but a run of the mill .223 will do the job better. A .204 ruger/.22-250/.220 swift would be a lot more fun though...

7/7/2010 10:02:35 PM

i already have a 10/22. that's what i used to kill 4 squirrels today. it's great up to about 50 yds or maybe 75.

i also want something relatively quiet, so i was leaning towards .223 as well. i'll probably just hit some different gun shops and see what they have on consignment.

7/7/2010 10:06:30 PM

22-250s are excellent groundhog rounds. they shoot flat and fast, so you don't have to worry so much about guessing range or adjusting for wind. Since you're talking about shooting an animal that lays low to the ground, this can be crucial.

[Edited on July 7, 2010 at 10:37 PM. Reason : clarity]

7/7/2010 10:34:39 PM

I'd suggest 223 Rem/5.56x45 for a varmint cartridge. It's got decent ballistics and is super cheap to shoot, even if you buy premium ammo.
A 22-250 would be nice, but the trajectory isn't significantly better than 223; at least not enough to justify the cost and lack of selection in factory ammo. The 22-250 drops around an inch less than the 223 at 300 yards. That's not a lot.
If you handload then get something bigger like a 220 Swift.

The 223 is what I'd suggest...but what I'd buy is a 6mm Rem or 260 Rem, but I'm weird I guess.

Quote :

"For the rails, I thought grease was recommended versus an oil."

Almost any light oil will work in almost any situation. Some greases won't work in many situations. It's best to use oil if you don't know.
I occasionally use grease on pistol rails, but that's only when I plan on shooting a lot of rounds in hot weather as oils can thin out to the point that they don't stick around in hot weather.
Grease is a bad idea on pistol rails when it's cold and/or the gun is exposed to dirt/dust.

Glock uses a copper based grease that some people think is the same as anti seize lubricant. Glock uses it because it stays in place when the gun is stored rather than migrate away from the rails.
http://glockmeister.com/product_info.php?cPath=59&products_id=13

7/7/2010 11:31:46 PM

i'll probably go with a 223

7/7/2010 11:46:09 PM

quick reloading equipment question...

is the lee 50th anniversary kit a good deal?

am i missing something when comparing it to the twice as expensive rcbs master kit (other than the speer reloading manual)?

7/7/2010 11:55:47 PM

I bought the 4 hole turret press kit for reloading pistol calibers. It was an excellent choice that I would recommend x1243124124. If you want to do rifle stuff, a single stage is probably more appropriate(at least more so than it would be for pistol calibers). It's a good deal, and as far as I can tell, lee products deliver great results at half the price of the competition. If you wouldn't mind driving a civic, you'll love the ammo your lee press will produce and enjoy spending the extra money on a mountain of components.

7/8/2010 12:10:46 AM

Nothing at all wrong with the anniversary kit. It's probably the only Lee press that is truly on-par with similar presses quality-wise, and it's dirt cheap to top it all off. I've been using one regularly for a bit over two years and I've yet to have a single complaint about it.

7/8/2010 3:31:56 PM

The Lee Challenger press isn't the only good one. The Classic Cast is on par with other presses of the same type (single stage, heavy duty) and does it at 50-60% of the cost of the competition. I might even say it's better. Compared to the RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme it (I think) has a larger ram, has one more mounting hole, and has been tighter than the RCBSs I've seen.

I have a Classic Cast single stage and all Lee dies. My friends have RCBS presses and dies. We all load high quality ammo, but I paid less for my gear.
The only times I would consider buying anything other than Lee is if Lee doesn't make the product I need or I'm getting into super high precision shooting. The only thing I don't like about my Lee dies is the bullet seating dies sometimes aren't consistent. OALs will be off by 2-4 thousandths (Note I measure actual OAL because I have no way to measure at the OAL at the ogive and bullet lengths are not always consistent with ogive length). It's close enough for most shooting. I have found that simply cycling the press consistently will lower the OAL variation.

In all, I'd say Lee is a good choice.
If I had to do it again I'd have waited for, and paid more for the Classic Turret.
I don't load 9mm or 223 on my Classic Cast single stage because it's a waste of time.

7/8/2010 11:39:07 PM

I have a bunch of lee stuff, it does well. I never could get the case lube to work, I bought some from midwayusa that is awesome. I had dented shoulders with the lee lube. The scale is a little cheesy and I dont think a trickler comes with the set, I bought one for $10 later on.

7/9/2010 12:17:01 AM

Yeah, the case lube is crap. It's too thick so it's hard to work with. If you use too much it builds up on the shoulders and dents the cases. Too little and it sticks.
I've had good luck with RCBS spray lube but haven't tried the others.

A lot of Lee stuff is cheesy. The powder throwers look and feel cheap, but if you're the tinkering kind of person then you can make them work consistently.
The balance scales are cheesy but they too also work.

If you get the kit you'll also need to buy calipers and I highly suggest a digital scale with check weight.

7/9/2010 10:57:13 AM

I've been thinking about buying a gun for personal protection at home.

Can anyone recommend a relatively cheap, easy to operate, easy to shoot, easy to clean gun for a beginner who has never owned a gun before?

7/9/2010 11:05:08 AM

The easiest to learn to use is a double action revolver in 357 magnum or 38 special.
You can get a used Ruger GP-100 for around $350. There's also the various Taurus models that are cheaper then Ruger.
Buy one with a 3-6 inch barrel and load it with 38 Special ammo and it'll be easy to learn to shoot.

You should think about getting someone knowledgeable to show you how to operate different guns and go rent some at a range. Rent a few different types to see what you feel comfortable handling and shooting.

There's always the 12ga shotgun route too. They're pretty damn easy to use and you can get Mossbergs, Norincos, or NEFs pretty cheap. Just get one with a stock (not pistol grip). Shorter barrels are better, but a regular 26" barrel would work ok.

Do you know anyone who shoots guns and can teach you some stuff?

7/9/2010 11:17:33 AM

i've learned that custom holster makers are an interesting breed. The guys are all off a little in their own way. After being jerked around by HBE Leatherworks i was told that my custom IWB holster finally shipped wednesday (i'll believe it when i see it). I already have buyers remorse and I haven't even seen the thing. I read page after page of frustrating reviews and comments on this guy and it seemed like he had his biggest problems back in 06-07 but had since righted his ship. But i think he went through another relapse of just bad business practice over the past 6 months.

I believe i "ordered" this thing in march. was told he was on an 8 week schedule and i said no problem. 8 weeks went by and nothing. 10 weeks went by and I finally called. nothing. then he finally calls me out of the blue and says he was asked to make a bunch of stuff for a group of marines and they paid more to have it done ASAP. i'm cool with that, soldiers and all. so he says i'm next. So that's late May. This time i pay. 4 weeks go by and i call and email. nothing. another email a week later. nothing. finally he calls me over the 4th and says he busted up his shoulder and has been limping along. I asked what happened since i was next in line a month ago and he fumbles a little and just says he has been sidetracked and not really concentrating on his leatherworks. Great. and it finally ends when he emailed me wednesday saying it was shipping out. Again we'll see. His work and reviews have been flawless when he's on top of his game, but now i'm scared he's half-assed mine or i'll get something for a Kahr PM9 when i made sure to emphasize P9 over and over.

either way, i'm keeping fingers crossed.

7/9/2010 11:23:27 AM

Anyone want to take a concealed carry class tomorrow? I just had someone cancel on me so I have one open spot. 9am-6pm and then 30 minutes for the shooting portion. Cost is still $60 for anyone off this board.

7/9/2010 3:51:58 PM

^^let us know how you like that holster if you ever get it. i still haven't got an iwb holster for my cw9.

7/9/2010 4:17:34 PM

yeah i will definitely post pics and a review when (if) it shows up

7/9/2010 5:09:31 PM

All that time you could have ordered a Milt Sparks

7/9/2010 5:27:19 PM

Quote :

"^^I use Hops(sp?) #9 in the Orange bottle. Others use CLP spray, and others use motor oil. It really doesn't matter, and any lube that you buy from the store will work."

I'm a big fan of Slip 2000 Extreme Weapons Lube. It was recommended by the company that made my AR-15 (LWRC) and a lot of the users on the company forums. I've used it and it's fantastic. It's moderately viscous, will no evaporate like CLP and it doesn't smell. I've used their other products like carbon killer and I find them to be great as well. The cleaner products are citrus based and don't irritate your hands with a lot of solvents and nasty chemicals. The only downside is that the cleaners are water based so you have to degrease them after cleaning and then relube with the EWL.

7/9/2010 6:19:13 PM

Quote :

"^^I use Hops(sp?) #9 in the Orange bottle. Others use CLP spray, and others use motor oil. It really doesn't matter, and any lube that you buy from the store will work."

Hoppes No 9 isn't meant to be a lube. It's definitely better than nothing and does work fine for some things (like revolvers), but there are better lubes for higher wear spots like slide rails.

7/10/2010 12:09:43 PM

the trigger assembly on my ruger 10/22 (pictured at top of page) just shit the bed... pins falling out, hammer spring went flying somewhere.... anyways, cheaper to replace or take to a gunsmith? or can someone on here help me put it back together... I can pay you a few bucks... of course, I'll be googling/youtubing how to do this... but so far, I've failed.

if replacing, any suggestions or anything I should know (never been replacement part shopping)?

[Edited on July 10, 2010 at 10:02 PM. Reason : .]

7/10/2010 9:52:57 PM

found one problem... the safety spring was all jacked up... and then it went flying and I lost it.

7/10/2010 11:01:42 PM

Don't panic. The 10/22 is stupid easy to figure out.
Don't waste your money on a smith.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=59/schematicsdetail/Model_10_22_RP_Synthetic_Blue___S_S

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123409

Brownells or midwayusa.com are great places to buy parts

7/11/2010 12:58:36 AM

Is this a Krag in To Kill a Mockingbird?

7/11/2010 1:13:12 AM

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/To_Kill_a_Mockingbird#Krag-Jorgensen_Sporter

7/11/2010 1:58:49 AM

Damn. I thought it was too obscure to be on imfdb.

7/11/2010 2:09:19 AM

Quote :

"i've learned that custom holster makers are an interesting breed. The guys are all off a little in their own way. After being jerked around by HBE Leatherworks i was told that my custom IWB holster finally shipped wednesday (i'll believe it when i see it). I already have buyers remorse and I haven't even seen the thing. I read page after page of frustrating reviews and comments on this guy and it seemed like he had his biggest problems back in 06-07 but had since righted his ship. But i think he went through another relapse of just bad business practice over the past 6 months. I believe i "ordered" this thing in march. was told he was on an 8 week schedule and i said no problem. 8 weeks went by and nothing. 10 weeks went by and I finally called. nothing. then he finally calls me out of the blue and says he was asked to make a bunch of stuff for a group of marines and they paid more to have it done ASAP. i'm cool with that, soldiers and all. so he says i'm next. So that's late May. This time i pay. 4 weeks go by and i call and email. nothing. another email a week later. nothing. finally he calls me over the 4th and says he busted up his shoulder and has been limping along. I asked what happened since i was next in line a month ago and he fumbles a little and just says he has been sidetracked and not really concentrating on his leatherworks. Great. and it finally ends when he emailed me wednesday saying it was shipping out. Again we'll see. His work and reviews have been flawless when he's on top of his game, but now i'm scared he's half-assed mine or i'll get something for a Kahr PM9 when i made sure to emphasize P9 over and over. either way, i'm keeping fingers crossed."

You should have ordered a Crossbreed Supertuck holster son. Granted, the dude covers your shit in his religious symbols, but he makes it right, in a timely manner and for a reasonable price. If he'd make one that was completely sterile I'd buy it immediately.

7/11/2010 7:38:17 AM

it's a barely noticeable cross stamped on the leather and it's not like it will be advertised anyways.



yeh, that's really showing your religious pride

7/11/2010 10:41:39 AM

I usually don't like any sort of religious markings on anything I buy (simply because I don't buy it for that reason and I don't want it to be construed that way)


that being said, I have a crossbreed holster and never even thought about it being a "religious symbol," and I love the holster... had it for over 2 years and it is still kicking (I need to work the leather in sometimes because when I have it on and don't have the gun in it, it will push out some). Otherwise, no problems, great price, and shipped faster than the estimated date

7/11/2010 2:54:43 PM

7^ yeh, thanks. I ordered a replacement from midway. Hopefully I don't screw this one up or lose it

guess this gives me the opportunity to do a good cleaning on the trigger assembly though

7/11/2010 6:49:58 PM

You'll get pretty good at it after an assembly session or two. I've started taking my 10/22's completely apart and scrubbing *everything* down every couple thousand rounds, so I'm pretty good at it by now.

7/12/2010 12:26:46 PM

While you've got it apart you can do the JB Weld trick to remove the pretravel in your trigger.

7/12/2010 3:04:08 PM

any advice on getting the safety spring to stay down while inserting the safety? I've looked at some videos, and tried with another spring... I haven't been able to get it... I used a small screwdriver to hold the spring down, then inserted the safety and tried to move the screwdriver and the safety at the same time to keep the spring compressed...

and I'm hoping that something will provide some pressure on two pins, because they kept falling out... I think they were the magazine ejector pin and hammer pivot pin...

[Edited on July 12, 2010 at 3:12 PM. Reason : .]

7/12/2010 3:10:27 PM

Quote :

"There is a GSSF dealer in Charlotte called Hyatts and GLOCK says it is up to Lawman's discretion (in raleigh) if they honor GSSF since they are a LEO dealer and used to do GSSF. I seriously doubt any dealer would listen to you if you walked in with the gssf price sheet and wanted those prices. Just join GSSF for $35 and then get the discount yourself."

Yeah, I'd just have to otherwise get it from out of state, which is a hassle. I thought the extra $35 (the membership fee) plus the shipping fee that I'd offer the dealer might incentivize them to a bit to give me the deal.

Quote :

"My G27 w/ NS was $480 out the door at Arringtons in G'Boro. Th"

Ha, ty. I'll see what kind of deal they might do.


I may be moving soon. I was wondering what the laws are for shooting on your property in the area? I'm living in Cary and know it's not permitted here (not enough space anyway). Is it only permitted if you're outside of city limits, and if so, what's the closest place to State that's out of city limits so I can look for places there? Right now, I have to drive 3 hr to family in Western NC on their land.

7/12/2010 4:08:05 PM

you can't legally discharge a firearm inside city limits (except at an indoor range)

you can shoot all you want on your own property or property on which you have permission to shoot as long as it's outside of city limits and you obey noise ordinances

[Edited on July 12, 2010 at 4:52 PM. Reason : adfd]

7/12/2010 4:50:43 PM

In Wake Co., you're not allowed to discharge a firearm within 100 feet of a residence either, and that's anywhere in the county.

Edit, specifically:
Sec. 2-9-17. Within one hundred yards of a dwelling.
It shall be unlawful for any person other than the owner or lessee
of a dwelling or a member of the immediate family actually residing in
such dwelling to discharge any firearm within one hundred (100) yards
thereof without the written permission of the owner or lessee of such
property. The written permission shall be dated and shall be valid for no
longer than one year after its issuance. Such permission must be displayed
upon the request of any law enforcement officer with authority to enforce
this Article.
Sec. 2-9-18. Within one hundred yards of public building.
It shall be unlawful for any person to discharge any firearm within
one hundred (100) yards of any building reasonably likely to be occupied,
including but not limited to any school, church or warehouse, or any
playground or park.
Sec. 2-9-19. Within one hundred yards of livestock.
It shall be unlawful for any person to discharge any firearm within
one hundred (100) yards of any domestic livestock belonging to others
unless such person first procures the written permission of the owner of
such domestic livestock.

[Edited on July 12, 2010 at 5:03 PM. Reason : edit]

7/12/2010 4:58:55 PM

^Ouch, yards instead of feet. That would be hard. Need at least 2 acres (300*300 feet) probably to be safe and then you might still run into noise regulations.

Thanks, though. I'll keep an eye out, but most of the places with >1 ac are either too expensive or in disrepair. Which would be fine if I was buying, but I'm renting.

7/12/2010 5:11:17 PM

Quote :

"it's a barely noticeable cross stamped on the leather and it's not like it will be advertised anyways."

It's hardly what I consider barely noticeable (It's the FIRST fucking thing I spotted on the holster when I saw it) and, while you may love that shit, I don't like to voluntarily pay to have religious symbols placed on things I don't want them to be placed on. He is, whether you like it or not, shoving his religious bullshit into his product (Which has nothing to do with religion) and I don't care for it. That is my position on the matter and, for me, it's quite a respectable one to hold. I won't compromise my moral values, even if it means having to make due with other holsters. I don't wear religious symbols that don't represent my views whenever I can help it, regardless of the visibility to others. It's the principle of the matter. Perhaps you're into butt fucking jesus the christ, but I'm not.

The real key to all of this is that it isn't like I told anyone else they shouldn't buy a holster from the dude if they don't care about the symbol. If I recall correctly, I was the one recommending his christ loving ass over all the other shit out there you fucking fool.

7/12/2010 5:22:08 PM

I'm not sure what the guy's religious beliefs are but if you're assuming that he's Christian simply based upon the cross, you should realize that he's using a Celtic Cross which has it's foundation in Paganism. I admit that some Christians like them and choose them to represent their faith but it's possible that it has a completely different meaning.


*edit* So I just read through the site and obviously I should have done that first. I don't recall reading that when I was shopping them a few years ago. Oh well, ignore the above.



[Edited on July 12, 2010 at 7:40 PM. Reason : wrong]

7/12/2010 7:36:14 PM

double post.

[Edited on July 12, 2010 at 7:36 PM. Reason : dammit]

7/12/2010 7:36:14 PM

^^^it is hardly fucking noticeable. I didn't say you had to look hard for it. I don't care for the cross or his religious offerings, but holy fuck dude, at least be straight up about it. he's not plastering you with his religious shit... it's a stamped cross on a IWB holster, get the fuck over it. no one else is going to see it, if you're so concerned about keeping up your hipster image. if you have a big enough problem with the cross that you can't buy the product, then don't. but don't run your fucking mouth on and on about it trying to scare other people away/spreading bullshit about it. and I don't really give a shit for religion, but I'm not so full of myself that I can't use one of the best products available because the guy stamps a cross on his product.

Quote :

"covers your shit in his religious symbols,"

care to amend this statement then? it's one fucking cross.

7/12/2010 8:41:15 PM

well, I've been through a couple of safety springs now... can't seem to get this shit together. I'm follow exactly what others have posted on youtube...

7/14/2010 8:48:22 PM

well color me a motherfucker, I finally got my IWB holster after all the issues and waiting i ranted about above ^^^^. and wow, i'm very impressed. I haven't had a chance to wear it or anything. I just opened the package at lunch and played with it for a few minutes but it's a perfect fit to my Kahr. I'll update later on as I have a busy night and weekend with wedding stuff. But once i can wear it and break it in i'll let everyone know.

Specs

IWB Holster for Kahr P9
Oxblood with Black Sharkskin Trim

7/15/2010 1:53:16 PM

what's that thing on the grip called? i need one to cover up the cheese grater of a grip on my CW9

[Edited on July 15, 2010 at 4:10 PM. Reason : i ordered a crossbreed supertuck]

7/15/2010 4:10:11 PM

Hogue Jr. i believe

7/15/2010 4:12:03 PM

Interested to where you go in the QC that would require being strapped at all times

You seem to run with a much rougher crowd than I do

7/15/2010 4:25:15 PM