LHE?

3/23/2006 5:49:13 PM

limit holdem.

cant karim, i have two tests tommorow.

both of which classes i have not been to since the previous test.






Id fucking love to though, even though the thursday games are a bit light on the action i like

[Edited on March 23, 2006 at 5:57 PM. Reason : e]

3/23/2006 5:57:06 PM

aha damn d00d

3/23/2006 6:02:16 PM

^^ sounds like my semester there...yet im still playing in some MTTs while studying

[Edited on March 23, 2006 at 6:52 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on March 23, 2006 at 6:52 PM. Reason : ^]

3/23/2006 6:51:47 PM

Kol, that hand where you asked if the guy raised preflop and then pushed was the funniest fucking thing i've seen in a while.

I wonder why he called after you did that.

[Edited on March 23, 2006 at 9:40 PM. Reason : a]

3/23/2006 9:37:02 PM

Eh, I dont know either Justin. I practically told him what I didnt have. Nitro picked it up right tho...he was like, "He basiclly was asking if you had AK" (nut str8).


That sounds great Ben. Just pick a day next week...Mon is a no go tho.



And to Paul, you are very right about PKR. I was washing the deck everytime I got a chance to shuffle. Even that could'nt stop a bunch of clubs from bunching together...flush over flush will bust you everytime



CG on Sun then Turny on Mon. Then more HU!

3/24/2006 9:09:28 AM

yeah i cant do monday either.

which sucks.

3/24/2006 9:21:44 AM

Quote :

"CG on Sun then Turny on Mon."

you mean CG on monday and tourney on SUN right?

3/24/2006 6:05:36 PM

what does that mean


coug?

ahjah

3/24/2006 6:12:13 PM

that and cash game im assuming

i may go to the 2/4 tonight


ive been pretty sick today th0

3/24/2006 6:15:36 PM

anyone wanna play a 1.00+.10 with me

3/24/2006 6:17:33 PM

3/24/2006 6:54:04 PM

Haha what time Travis?

And is Nitro still in Raleigh? I haven't talked to him forever, tell him Jim said hi when ya see him.

3/24/2006 7:38:27 PM

yeah nitro is still around i think



and ive only seem jim at the sunday tournamentw, apparently he got some sot of job chnage where he can oly show up on the weekends




(sorry drunk(

3/24/2006 10:45:47 PM

Hehe... no I am Jim.... maybe there's another, but I haven't been in Raleigh in like 2 years.

3/24/2006 11:44:50 PM

sahaha yeah i cant read nad wong hjim

3/25/2006 2:33:48 AM

jesus you must have been drunk
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3/26/2006 12:46:15 AM

Whattya think?

Was trying a different line, that while this was going on, while tlaking to someone watching me, who is trying to learn from watching me play lo8:

rOwdychOwdah (11:26:20 AM): AA99
twwer (11:26:26 AM): suited?
rOwdychOwdah (11:26:30 AM): yeah
rOwdychOwdah (11:26:32 AM): one c
rOwdychOwdah (11:26:39 AM): ne way, to the club A
twwer (11:26:49 AM): not bad
rOwdychOwdah (11:27:01 AM): im about to donk this one up


PokerStars Game #4419338446: Omaha Hi/Lo Limit ($15/$30) - 2006/03/26 - 11:22:51 (ET)
Table 'Seginus IV' 10-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Mormak ($771.50 in chips)
Seat 3: TINMAN09 ($367 in chips)
Seat 4: scumbag ($885 in chips)
Seat 5: tr4300 ($474 in chips)
Seat 6: pilgrimshoes ($551.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Weymouth ($580 in chips)
Seat 8: UNIKORN ($485 in chips)
Seat 9: greeceteo ($737 in chips)
Seat 10: miyagi son ($409 in chips)
tr4300: posts small blind $10
pilgrimshoes: posts big blind $15
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pilgrimshoes [9s 9c Ac Ah]
Weymouth: calls $15
UNIKORN: folds
greeceteo: folds
miyagi son: folds
Mormak: folds
TINMAN09: calls $15
scumbag: calls $15
tr4300: calls $5
pilgrimshoes: checks
*** FLOP *** [5c 8c Qh]
tr4300: checks
pilgrimshoes: checks
Weymouth: bets $15
TINMAN09: calls $15
scumbag: calls $15
tr4300: calls $15
pilgrimshoes: raises $15 to $30
Weymouth: calls $15
TINMAN09: calls $15
scumbag: calls $15
tr4300: calls $15
*** TURN *** [5c 8c Qh] [9h]
tr4300: checks
pilgrimshoes: bets $30
Weymouth: calls $30
TINMAN09: calls $30
scumbag: calls $30
tr4300: calls $30
*** RIVER *** [5c 8c Qh 9h] [8h]
tr4300: checks
pilgrimshoes: bets $30
Weymouth: calls $30
TINMAN09: folds
scumbag: folds
tr4300: calls $30
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pilgrimshoes: shows [9s 9c Ac Ah] (HI: a full house, Nines full of Eights)
bashers has returned
Weymouth: mucks hand
tr4300: mucks hand
pilgrimshoes collected $462 from pot
No low hand qualified
greeceteo said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $465 | Rake $3
Board [5c 8c Qh 9h 8h]
Seat 1: Mormak folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: TINMAN09 folded on the River
Seat 4: scumbag (button) folded on the River
Seat 5: tr4300 (small blind) mucked [7h 6c 7d 5h]
Seat 6: pilgrimshoes (big blind) showed [9s 9c Ac Ah] and won ($462) with HI: a full house, Nines full of Eights
Seat 7: Weymouth mucked [2c Kc Qs Kd]
Seat 8: UNIKORN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: greeceteo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: miyagi son folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Making standard limit holdem plays in limit omaha?

or worthless.....

im on the fence.

3/26/2006 11:32:09 AM

aha god people are horrible, wtf was weymouth thinking

3/26/2006 11:49:41 AM

i sat in the game b/c i liked the lineup

3/26/2006 12:42:27 PM

Ok, all HU matches will begin 1st week of April. This should give peeps time for planning what times and days are good. It will also give me time to make sure all my shit is str8





Now for questions: What can you do when you flop bottom str8 and some one else flops the nut str8. Here is the hand:

I'm last to act.
Me: Jd8s
Opponent: KJo

FLOP: QT9


Is there anyway to tell if I am beat? It was bet call. All in, call. The individual seemed genuinely confident and I took that confidence as him either flopping a set or maybe 2 pair. KJo never popped in my mind. I know I should identify the nuts on every flop but this time I was thinking instead that I would get paid off since I had flopped it. Any feedback? Thanks



Another one:
I'm first to act.
Me: AKo
Opponent: JJ

FLOP: AJ9
TURN:Blank
RIVER:J

Player was fairly str8 forward so I knew he hit the flop. My initial read was an Ace since I'd seem him play any face and any Ace. AJo was bugging me too. It was bet call then on the turn I bet again and he wnet into the tank. Dont think this person was capable of acting b/c he was honest even when he didnt know he was being honest. He may have really thought I had some combination of AA. So here is the meat of the question. I put him on having a Jack and the river brought a Jack. There's around ~$120 in the pot and he goes all in for about $30 more. I know with out a shadow of a doubt that I am beat here. I should go with my read and fold yet does not pot odds dictate a call here too? Feedback? Thanks!

[Edited on March 26, 2006 at 5:26 PM. Reason : dhgr6ew54wty]

3/26/2006 5:25:29 PM

Quote :

"Is there anyway to tell if I am beat? It was bet call. All in, call. The individual seemed genuinely confident and I took that confidence as him either flopping a set or maybe 2 pair. KJo never popped in my mind. I know I should identify the nuts on every flop but this time I was thinking instead that I would get paid off since I had flopped it. Any feedback? Thanks"

there is a reason you shouldnt play hands like J8 from the button(if you do though, id suggest raising) or for most positions for that matter. Other than that, there isnt much you can do other than say, damn bad luck, and remember not to put yourself in that situation again. There is a reason I play junk like 45 and stuff in late position from time to time, it is because when i flop something, it is highly likely my opponent wont have an higher straight because in only 2 instances does it not make the nut straight, and also if i flop the wheel, there is an ace on the board that hopefully hit top pair for someone. The J8 only can be the nut straight once.



[Edited on March 26, 2006 at 5:54 PM. Reason : .]

3/26/2006 5:42:32 PM

^^ for the second part, I always go with my read

but then again you prolly shouldnt have left yourself to that decision on the river. In most circumstances, if he only had 30 left after your bet on the turn and the pot was around 120, your turn bet should have been him all in. A small % of the time he'll have you destroyed, a large percent of the time you'll have him dominated. Thats the way it goes

3/26/2006 5:50:19 PM

I learned something important today. From harrington's books.

Had JJ in BB, playing with .25 BB, so someone raises 3x BB to $1 total.

I decide to go over to top, defining my hand, raise to $3 total. He calls and another does also.

I ended up winning the hand even though a King flopped. But, like Harrington said, it made all my other decisions easier. If I had called, I knew nothing about their hands. By raising and not getting reraised, I know they were not on QQ/KK/AA. He ended up playing the rest of the hand super passively with AQ.

One of his main points in his books is, your early betting should make your future decisions easier. Never really hit home until now. I was always afraid to reraise with JJ/1010 because what if I lost, you know. But you will lose less if you make them prove they have a premium hand. A counterintuitive move (to beginner and intermediate players), but makes sense when you see it first hand and study it fully. I think this is the first step in my becoming an advanced player. Been a while since I had a game breakthrough.

3/26/2006 8:49:24 PM

fyi...turner is running deep in the stars million

gl turner ill be railing

3/26/2006 10:27:01 PM

he's going wayy deep in the 1000+50

now sititng with raymer, neverwin, and a few other plyers that i really respect on stars.


good luck man.


(and this concludes one of the best cash game days ive had in a long time..... ~+1500 on 15/30 and a live tournament.)

[Edited on March 26, 2006 at 10:41 PM. Reason : e]

3/26/2006 10:40:31 PM

PokerStars Game #4426777976: Tournament #21125953, Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (2000/4000) - 2006/03/26 - 22:47:57 (ET)
Table '21125953 46' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: neverwin (144318 in chips)
Seat 2: Rainbow51 (50713 in chips)
Seat 3: BadDog11 (42473 in chips)
Seat 5: MiracleGro (49930 in chips)
Seat 6: FossilMan (318927 in chips)
Seat 7: Donald (114498 in chips)
Seat 8: PearlJammer (62739 in chips)
Seat 9: redeye3030 (47528 in chips)
neverwin: posts the ante 200
Rainbow51: posts the ante 200
BadDog11: posts the ante 200
MiracleGro: posts the ante 200
FossilMan: posts the ante 200
Donald: posts the ante 200
PearlJammer: posts the ante 200
redeye3030: posts the ante 200
Donald: posts small blind 2000
PearlJammer: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
redeye3030: folds
neverwin: raises 8000 to 12000
Rainbow51: folds
BadDog11: folds
MiracleGro: raises 37730 to 49730 and is all-in
FossilMan: folds
Donald: folds
PearlJammer: raises 12809 to 62539 and is all-in
neverwin: folds
*** FLOP *** [9c 7h Qd]
neverwin said, "NWP RULES"
*** TURN *** [9c 7h Qd] [2h]
*** RIVER *** [9c 7h Qd 2h] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PearlJammer: shows [Ah Kd] (a pair of Aces)
MiracleGro: shows [8s 8h] (a pair of Eights)
PearlJammer collected 115060 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 115060 | Rake 0
Board [9c 7h Qd 2h Ad]
Seat 1: neverwin folded before Flop
Seat 2: Rainbow51 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: BadDog11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: MiracleGro showed [8s 8h] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 6: FossilMan (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Donald (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: PearlJammer (big blind) showed [Ah Kd] and won (115060) with a pair of Aces
Seat 9: redeye3030 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

3/26/2006 10:49:47 PM

Damn, go Jon.. watching now

3/26/2006 11:09:12 PM

o shit all in

3/26/2006 11:32:40 PM

raymer is winning coinflips like crazy

3/26/2006 11:41:52 PM

oh well... of course I'm happy with the finish... however to get 16th ($9k) when 9th is $20k and 1st is $295k... omg it hurts! I woke up early and started with the $200 multi on Dise at 9:30am... only 47 players, but I won it ($3500)... it basically left me freerolling for my tourneys today - I think that really helped my play overall.

Thanks for the rail and IM support...

Well, right now I'm 13th out of 49th in the $620 WSOP sat. on stars... top 33 gets seats in the main event!!

Wish me luck!

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 12:12 AM. Reason : .]

3/27/2006 12:07:38 AM

congrats on a big day man

3/27/2006 1:14:38 AM

I guess its safe to say now,

congrats on the seat jon, are you going to sell it?

oh hell just make the FT and get the stars FT overlay on top of that huge prize money!

and good job today.

sucks to not hit the final table for the 1050, but, not a bad day overall =)

3/27/2006 1:14:52 AM

Wait, why is Fossilman from Raleigh NC?

3/27/2006 2:34:38 AM

Raymer moved to Raleigh about 6 months ago. I'm pretty sure he actually lives about 45 minutes outside Raleigh, not sure exactly where.

3/27/2006 3:17:35 AM

Well I'll be dipped in dogshit.


ps congrats dude

3/27/2006 3:27:04 AM

Raymer lives in wakefield, which is in north raleigh.

http://msweb01.co.wake.nc.us/realestate/Account.asp?id=0322584&stype=owner&owner=raymer&spg=2

3/27/2006 7:27:12 AM

1/2 Game Tuesday 3/28 @ 7PM off of Hillsborough St.

PM for details.

3/27/2006 4:18:00 PM

on a side note,

is there any particular reason that there are NO decent omaha hi/lo learning materials?

I mean come on....

I find it pretty damn odd that the guy who wrote the best o8 book ive found thus far and writes for cardplayer regularly plays 5/10 or on the rare occasion 10/20..... (live even...... remember that internet games are theoretically tougher by a few levels...)


seriously, i need more than just starting hand requirements.

even 2+2 is full of riduclousness when it comes to omaha8. it seems like two of the 5 posters that seemed to know a little bit of what the hell they were doing no longer post, and only a few of the others are willing to help.

Id like to expand my game a bit, i think that i could drastically increase the ole bb/100 if i get away from nut peddling so much and really develop better strategies with promo raises and the such, but its getting to a point where ive tought myself so much, i havent seen much progression in a long time.





maybe i should write a book

3/27/2006 11:15:57 PM

btw, FWIW,

i cant really agree with this.

I'll elaborate more later.

gotta actually get back to studying.

Quote :

"I learned something important today. From harrington's books. Had JJ in BB, playing with .25 BB, so someone raises 3x BB to $1 total. I decide to go over to top, defining my hand, raise to $3 total. He calls and another does also. I ended up winning the hand even though a King flopped. But, like Harrington said, it made all my other decisions easier. If I had called, I knew nothing about their hands. By raising and not getting reraised, I know they were not on QQ/KK/AA. He ended up playing the rest of the hand super passively with AQ. One of his main points in his books is, your early betting should make your future decisions easier. Never really hit home until now. I was always afraid to reraise with JJ/1010 because what if I lost, you know. But you will lose less if you make them prove they have a premium hand. A counterintuitive move (to beginner and intermediate players), but makes sense when you see it first hand and study it fully. I think this is the first step in my becoming an advanced player. Been a while since I had a game breakthrough. "

as a teaser, remember that HOH are both meant as tournament books, not cash game books

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 11:23 PM. Reason : e]

3/27/2006 11:23:04 PM

i want someone else to comment on this before I say anything.

i wish noidroid would post on here more, hes got some good lines on things, and could really help out.

3/28/2006 1:45:59 AM

My best local cash yet.

Woot.

3/28/2006 2:03:42 AM

so.

it appears as if ill soon be able to start my own private tournaments on stars...

if i could get a tww tournament going, would there be interest in a series of events, each for like $10+1?

could play a variety of games that stars offers, and then keep like a scoreboard.

lemme know tww

3/28/2006 9:39:29 AM

yes ben, im in...so is boobs, kol, and everyone else, because we have nothing better to do than play cards

3/28/2006 10:05:25 AM

cool.

lemme know.

so ive decided to become more aggressive with my roll, taking hsots here and there.

thus far loggin a few hours at 30/60 (picked the game due to the lineup), i gotta say, i think i can hang.

3/28/2006 10:25:17 AM

Pilgrim,

there are different lines of thought on it. I love a slow play every now and then to try and hit a monster and pull them in and bag a huge pot. but with 12 overcards, i think MY style is more to raise and define it. If a A/K/Q falls, then I have to wonder after the flop. Odds an AKQ falls, or someone limps with suited connectors and spikes something is high.

Am i missing your thinking(if so, please elaborate)? I am open to all suggestions, I don't have it figured out, just seemed to be a better approach than waiting to the 1-7.5 that you hit a set and hope someone else has soemthing to bet with also. Because most of the time, someone comes with you anyway when you raise anyway!

3/28/2006 10:25:42 AM

ill play pilgrim...

3/28/2006 2:25:00 PM

I'll probably be down for that pilgrim, I could probably learn a bit.

3/28/2006 3:17:06 PM

Quote :

"yes ben, im in...so is boobs, kol, and everyone else, because we have nothing better to do than play cards"

ummm, i have a few things






































aight, ya caught ya nigga lyin'...i aint got shit to do but be a degenerate gambler

[Edited on March 28, 2006 at 3:26 PM. Reason : .]

3/28/2006 3:25:56 PM

Kol want to play tonight?

3/28/2006 6:07:17 PM