Nah, that's most definitely true.


It's like being in a relationship and getting half a handy under the table from Gail the Snail.

Yeah, technically you're cheating, but not enough to make it worth it.

3/30/2016 3:59:50 PM

He may be trolling and still be right. I think we need to cheat more. I understand why we don't cheat like other top P5 programs do. I'll be hard pressed to find a unique situation like ours- 2 other elite athletic programs in a 10 mile radius and the associated media/fanbase/scrutiny that comes with it.

Quote :

" It is YOU son that is just as bad as a Unc fan"

Uh oh, he just son'd you. Oh thats right, Jaybee just son'd you.


[Edited on March 30, 2016 at 4:03 PM. Reason : ]

3/30/2016 4:00:12 PM

Quote :

"Quote : "There is no doubt we are already cheating in some ways, and still suck ." thats trolling."

All i'm saying is that in all likelihood (IMHO), all power 5 sports programs circumvent the rules in various ways trying to get a competitive edge. You hear stories all the time about programs getting a slap on the wrist here and there for various violations. And obviously not all the violations get caught. So it happens more than what gets reported. I think its pretty naive for anybody to feel that their particular alma mater is special in this regard.

Some do it more than others. UNC took it to an extreme, but I doubt they are the only program to take it this far honestly.

That being the case, it is extremely depressing that we are the only power 5 conference school in the entire country, that has not won a conference championship in either football or basketball in the last 20 years.

(I think maybe SoCar joins us as the 2nd bottom dweller without bball or football conference titles, but they've at least won a baseball title in that time period.)

Alternatively, this could mean that everybody else is cheating, and State isn't, which is equally boneheaded and depressing that we're dopey enough to blindly follow the letter of these dumb laws, while everybody around us merrily vacuums up all the titles, accolades, and hookers.

But I choose to believe we are better than that.


[Edited on March 30, 2016 at 4:19 PM. Reason : .]

3/30/2016 4:10:20 PM

Can y'all start a "is NCSU cheating" thread?

3/30/2016 4:30:48 PM

I'm sure we've provided at least a few hookers.

3/30/2016 4:34:33 PM

Quote :

"Uh oh, he just son'd you. Oh thats right, Jaybee just son'd you. "

HOOPS SHALOM jimmies status = rustled

i hope we aren't cheating, but if we are - fine, show it and punish accordingly (and, lookin at you NCAA, -fairly-)
uncch's era of widespread cheating is exposed, yet nothing actually gets done to address it. quite honestly if they really do get away with it all... i'm totally on board with ncsu cheating just as much -- maybe after a couple of decades the field might be closer to being level (but it wouldn't ever be)

[Edited on March 30, 2016 at 4:44 PM. Reason : missed the "i" key. anger is taking over and i can barely type from the shaking]

3/30/2016 4:39:04 PM

My friend and I met some girls that went to Boston College, and they were telling us about how they were part of the "welcoming committee" that would hang out with recruits and "show them a good time". They themselves were on some sports team, field hockey maybe (although they were actually pretty hot). I suppose they weren't actually hookers though. I'm sure that happens at every school. They also told us how they were encouraged to be bulimic, and were even given advice on how to do it in a "healthy" way, and how not to lose their teeth.

3/30/2016 4:43:21 PM

dang that's sad on a lot of levels

3/30/2016 4:44:52 PM

^^ Yep, I see this all the time in my line of work.

3/30/2016 4:51:51 PM

Athletes like to bwn each other. See every Olympic village ever.

3/30/2016 4:57:05 PM

The Olympic Village was one hell of a party indeed.

3/30/2016 5:01:05 PM

DAN KANE AWAKENS FROM HIS SLUMBER !!!!

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"UNC-Chapel Hill, which is under investigation for fraudulent classes involving athletes, has maintained that students were not subjected to a limit on independent studies until the 2006-07 academic year. That stance appears to have narrowed one key part of the NCAA’s investigation. But a new document released by university in March shows that the limit on independent studies started before 2003. Other evidence suggests that the limit was in place since the early 1990s. Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article69262627.html#storylink=cpy"

3/31/2016 7:02:51 PM

Quote :

"The NCAA's notice of allegations, issued last May, appears to accept UNC's contention that the limit started in the fall of 2006. The notice said from the fall of 2006 to the end of the 2010-11 academic year, 10 athletes exceeded the limit, which was an impermissible academic benefit under NCAA rules. But if the limit has been in existence much longer, it could capture 140 more athletes who had exceeded it, according to a spreadsheet in the NCAA's exhibits... Jay Smith was among those interviewed in the NCAA investigation. The notice cites his position on the 12-hour independent study limit. Smith told the N&O that he confirmed to the NCAA that the limit had been in place long before the start of the 2006-07 academic year."

3/31/2016 7:56:56 PM

Quote :

"Nah, that's most definitely true. It's like being in a relationship and getting half a handy under the table from Gail the Snail. Yeah, technically you're cheating, but not enough to make it worth it."

LOL. You're still here.

3/31/2016 8:44:57 PM

I pop in from time to time

4/1/2016 2:26:58 AM

and on the third day he rose again, to post on sports talk

4/1/2016 2:53:29 AM

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/2-teams-afoul-of-ncaa-meet-in-final-4-infraction-bowl-/15611796/

4/1/2016 9:39:44 AM

I love all the media attention its getting but in the end it does not mean a damn thing once UNC wins another title that although it should be vacated immediately just because of the fact all of the cheating over several decades led directly to them having this team, it never will be and the punishment will be so light we will have to deal with smug UNC fans saying see look even the NCAA said we hardly did anything wrong.

4/1/2016 10:14:42 AM

Has Bethel released his movie yet?

4/1/2016 3:32:24 PM

^ LOLOLOL

4/1/2016 4:11:27 PM

What's really annoying is all the happy, feel-good stories that are spawning off UNC's latest trip to the Final Four.

I've seen one story about a four-year-old toddler who had a dream to be a Tar Heel cheerleader for the basketball team, and now 18 years later, she's doing it in Houston!

And I saw something yesterday about how Rameses fathered twin lambs that were just born...RIGHT IN TIME FOR THE FINAL FOUR.

It's all pretty hilarious.

[Edited on April 1, 2016 at 4:16 PM. Reason : sss]

4/1/2016 4:16:16 PM

They already have portable lights and porta potties set up down Franklin and Columbia for the Monday night celebration. I hope that they get to use none of it.

4/1/2016 4:21:28 PM

Oh, they'll get to use them.

4/1/2016 4:32:12 PM

Lets all pray UNC dont win the whole thing, surely this is Roy boy's last push for a championship. Once NCAA sanctions drop, he's got to go yeah?

4/1/2016 4:55:22 PM

Big things happening over on packpride.

They are using McCants transcript as a weapon against UNC's own policy that you can't take more than 2 Independent studies at a time against UNC...

McCants was enrolled in 3 independent studies courses the spring of 05...and guess what happened then?

They also believe that other transcripts from earlier would support this same model...back to the 80s.

4/1/2016 8:40:36 PM

Quote :

"Going back further than 2006 would add well more than 100 athletes to the list of 10 that the NCAA said exceeded the independent study limit through classes that had no professor, never met and yielded a high grade for an end-of-class paper."

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article69262627.html#storylink=cpy

I'm hopeful that UNC will get hammered and it might actually be a good thing that UNC is in the championship game. It is definitely information about their cheating to the public and putting a little more pressure on the NCAA to actually hand out a punishment since more people are getting exposed to the details and more media members are pressing the issue nationally.

It just sucks that all week the talk was these kids had nothing to do with it so let's just focus on the game. Yet all you hear is a chance for 6 Championship 6 championships 6 championships without batting an eyelash that at least 3 if not 4 of the current 5 have shouldn't even exist.

4/3/2016 10:45:13 AM

http://abc11.com/sports/unc-coach-roy-williams-doesnt-expect-ncaa-sanctions/1274814/

Roy

4/3/2016 10:06:12 PM

Quote :

"Williams said he would be speculating but said, "I don't think we're going to get hit in any way at all. Hard to penalize somebody when you have no allegations against them.''"

4/3/2016 10:33:03 PM

Quote :

"When the first notice of allegations came out there were no allegations against men's basketball and we tried to show that"

This worries me and makes me

4/3/2016 10:40:06 PM

That's all bullshit PR though. Basketball was mentioned in the NOA. It's literally a bullshit PR campaign designed to make people think basketball was never mentioned. It was one of the main highlights of the damn NOA.

Quote :

"No coaches were cited, but the lack-of-institutional-control charge mentioned counselors using the courses to help keep at-risk athletes eligible "particularly" in football, men's basketball and women's basketball. "

[Edited on April 4, 2016 at 12:59 AM. Reason : add another quote]

4/4/2016 12:49:21 AM

fuck unc.

thats been their talking point since the NOA was release..."men's basketball wasn't mentioned". which is a blatant fabrication.

fuck em

4/4/2016 7:40:52 AM

Yeah all of the UNC athletics have the same marching orders.

All deflect the allegations towards women's basketball. They'll just nuke the women's team to save the other programs.

4/4/2016 8:15:46 AM

I have accepted the fate at this point. I used to watch college basketball constantly but as all of this stuff has progressed this season I am to the point I honestly just don't care anymore about it. I will watch the first half and UNC will probably be up double digits at the half and I will just goto bed. The sport isn't worth watching when it has been proven that someone cheated for 20+ years and still was allowed to play for a title this year and will get such a minor punishment in the end. The NCAA is going to be worthless after this and college sports are going to become minor league teams where those with the most money are always good and we are going to fall further behind. In the future we will all look back at the time when UNC ruined the sport of college basketball for everyone else for a couple national titles.

4/4/2016 8:42:20 AM

Yep.

4/4/2016 8:56:43 AM

Quote :

"In the future we will all look back at the time when UNC ruined the sport of college basketball for everyone else for a couple national titles. "

Not to be confused with the 4 corners era.

4/4/2016 9:52:07 AM

I think the randomness is more frustrating than anything. I see what UNC did and think this is pretty bad, especially compared to what other schools have been hit with over the past few years that seem to be minimal in comparison. Then nothing happens to UNC. And it isn't even just "name brand" vs. not. USC I thought got hammered pretty hard with the football program back with Reggie Bush, in my opinion especially at that time, a comparable brand within the NCAA. They just pick and choose random times to make examples of schools and then other times little to nothing at all.

If you self report/self-punish sometimes you get let off easy, and other times you should have just stayed quiet because you get punished even more. I get every situation is different so it is hard to create a universal punishment system, but they are just all over the place. Whole system is a joke, and it appears it is just best to cheat and ask for forgiveness.

4/4/2016 9:58:50 AM

It's still too early to know that. UNC can still get shit on. Maybe they won't, but they should, and it still wasn't even supposed to happen for another month or so I think. Yeah, they're even shittier for dragging it out until they could win another NC, but I feel like that's probably what they should have done in the circumstances, we just hate them so we want them to be punished ASAP.

Maybe Roy just thinks he won't get any punishment because he's retiring, and forgets that that is the reason and not because they weren't mentioned.

4/4/2016 10:19:18 AM

Think about what could happen in the next couple of weeks/months

Best case:
UNC loses tonight and then gets '05 and '09 vacated ('93?). Roy has 0 titles

Worst case:
UNC wins tonight and MBB skates. Roy has 3 titles

[Edited on April 4, 2016 at 10:30 AM. Reason : .]

4/4/2016 10:29:42 AM

So, UNC beat Villanova in the 2009 Final Four, the damn cheats.

C'mon you fightin' cryin' Piccolo girls of Villanova, extract your pound of flesh. C'mon! Get your revenge!

[Edited on April 4, 2016 at 10:32 AM. Reason : ]

4/4/2016 10:31:58 AM

No team that lost to NC State in the last two years should even be eligible for the championship. DO OVER

4/4/2016 11:50:25 AM

So Duke shouldn't have been eligible last year?

4/4/2016 11:54:10 AM

correct.

also because grayson allen is a punk ass bitch

4/4/2016 12:01:26 PM

Well, if UNC wins tonight, I'd be optimistic the nightmare that is the Roy era would finally come to an end.

4/4/2016 12:04:38 PM

Quote :

"If UNC committed academic fraud, it was in the service of the reasonable, even noble, cause of letting athletes who wanted to do so focus on athletics. It’s merely an accident of history that college is in any way connected to amateur sports, and it’s time to start applauding the big-time programs that have found ways to take the academics out of college."

lol "if"

http://deadspin.com/uncs-blatantly-fake-classes-were-the-best-thing-for-ath-1768863752

4/4/2016 12:37:29 PM

^^ that'll be like dean retiring... he'll just be revered as a "legend" for decades and praised for leading young men through adversity

4/4/2016 1:06:55 PM

How is it not already obvious Roy will retire after this year and UNC sacrifice some coach through all the punishment years. Poor guy whoever takes that grenade.

4/4/2016 1:17:50 PM

That's what I said when it came out that Hubert Davis was "the next guy"

Doesn't really matter if he sucks because he's never coached before, so he gets experience with no pressure to win

4/4/2016 1:38:01 PM

Someone explain this to me. What am I missing? From IC:

Quote :

"When journalists refer to "fake classes," it would be nice if they would explain the fakery was on the faculty side of it and not apparent to students."

So it wasn't apparent to students that they didn't have to go to class or do any homework aside from an end-of-semester? How were the fake classes "not apparent to students"?

4/4/2016 1:57:44 PM

I mean, you read that on IC, so...

4/4/2016 2:10:40 PM

^^They probably went on to laud their graduation rates too didn't they?

4/4/2016 2:28:10 PM