Has anyone gone through all the pages in the UNC thread on PP? What's the scoop? Will baskebtall be punished?

10/26/2014 6:16:27 PM

My last half dozen posts in the bball thread here are just stuff from PP

but i haven't gone through all the pages. i've just checked the most recent page of the PP thread once or twice a day

[Edited on October 26, 2014 at 6:18 PM. Reason : .]

10/26/2014 6:17:47 PM

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"hahahaha. that dude's saying that these players who were in fake classes specifically designed to keep them eligible while doing absolutely no work, shouldn't be considered ineligible because had they taken a legitimate course, who knows what grade they would've gotten. i can't even wrap my head around that stupidity."

this is the shit that is coming out from the highest levels of UNC. the AD was on ovies' show and spewing that crap. clearly a PR firm gave them 3 talking points to press. seeing tarheelblog pick it up is no surprise. you'll hear these 3 a lot i'm betting

1. it's only about 6,000 total class hours out of over 1,000,000 total hours during that time.
2. it's only about 3 athletes per team per year
3. you can't know if they would have been ineligible had they taken real classes

of course, the responses are:
1. oh so if we have "just" one plane crash for every 1000 flights, that's cool?
2. oh, so it was only equivalent to a not-insignificant portion of every single team at UNC cheating for twenty years?
3. oh, so cheating isn't really cheating because if they didn't cheat they may not have cheated?

it's pure horseshit that the AD who is in charge of un-fucking UNC is right back in to the denial that got them there i the 1st place

10/26/2014 9:40:38 PM

also, it would be more like 6 planes crashing out of every 1,000

10/26/2014 10:03:56 PM

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" it's only about 3 athletes per team per year"

You have to wonder if UNC is willing to sacrifice EVERY other sport just to save the legacy of Roy and Dean. Seems that way.

10/26/2014 10:41:43 PM

The real question will be if they will sacrifice Roy to save Dean. It's probably going to come down to that

10/26/2014 10:45:06 PM

They will absolutely do that

Fall on the sword roy, fall on the sword

10/26/2014 10:47:51 PM

One thing that isn't getting a ton of talk is that Sylvia Hatchell was at UNC since this whole thing started. Football coaches came and went, men's bball coaches came and went. But Hatchell was there the entire time. And based on some of the emails PP dug up, women's bball definitely benefited from this.

Of course, women's basketball isn't any where near the same level as men's basketball and football in terms of popularity...so it's not as fun of a talking point. But damn...the case could be made for her to be fired.

10/27/2014 8:49:35 AM

More Tarheel propaganda from Brian Barbour(TarheelBlog)

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"5. Where are the tough questions for Sylvia Hatchell? As the local and national media are lining up to take their whacks at Roy Williams for "not asking questions" about the paper classes and asserting that there is no way Wayne Walden didn't tell him, there has been deafening silence towards UNC's other national championship-winning, Hall of Fame coach. Unlike Williams, who came to UNC after the scheme had been running for a decade and inherited a team already entrenched in the AFAM curriculum, Hatchell has been at UNC the entire time the paper classes were going on. Moreover, the women's team's adviser, Boxill, was a primary culprit in perpetrating the fraud. While it can only be insinuated what exactly Williams knew, Wainstein indicates that Hatchell was so familiar with Crowder in an "instructional" role that she actually thought Crowder was a professor. So why the media hypocrisy in pounding Williams, who at a minimum was the one person whose sport actually distanced itself from the fraud, but has not even mentioned Hatchell, whose program was so significantly involved in both enrollments and in Boxill requesting specific grades for players? I think that's pretty self-explanatory: men's basketball is the Holy Grail of this scandal and women's basketball, while maybe just as much if not more culpable, just doesn't move the needle"

WTF does this mean? Is it the media's fault that every fucking sport at UNC is corrupt? And that they need to spread the ink/pixel of UNC ridicule across all sports equally?

http://www.tarheelblog.com/2014/10/27/7071199/five-questions-still-unanswered-after-wainstein



[Edited on October 27, 2014 at 2:40 PM. Reason : ]

10/27/2014 2:23:10 PM

I know I mentioned Hatchell a few posts up...And I agree that it's somewhat curious that she was the coach then entire team this was going on. But it's also kinda obvious why she is not making headlines. Men's basketball and football are the big revenue sports. That's what the most people care about...so when the cheating spans the entire athletic department, it's not really surprising that the focus is on football and men's bball.

Another thing I've seen mentioned only barely is that John Swofford, ACC Commissioner, was the UNC AD when all this began. I am surprised more national people haven't picked up on that and asked for his resignation or at least called that into question more.

10/27/2014 2:41:58 PM

^ i completely agree! swofford should be catching a lot of shit for this.

10/27/2014 3:36:58 PM

Damn I did not realize that about Swofford. Someone should email that to Kane, Forde, Ovies, etc just to get that message out.

10/27/2014 3:45:36 PM

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"Why? What laws have we broken? What have we been indicted for? Who is our accuser? Who will testify against us in court? NCSt? dook? UK? KU? Just who will bring charges against UNC? The News & Observer? "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone!" Who, of the above, will that be? "

IC makes my head hurts.

10/27/2014 3:50:48 PM

^jesus christ

10/27/2014 3:57:41 PM

^^
I shall declare in open court that unc is full of cheating bastards, I will carry that burden. Hand me the throwing stones.

(I know that's not how the ncaa works, but I still would do it.)

10/27/2014 4:23:01 PM

IC is currently down. Did Emmert's comments cause brain exploding pandemonium? Do their fans finally realize they made a boo boo?

10/27/2014 8:02:10 PM

works for me:

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"Crowder isn't the only teacher of AFAM. Several people on the ZZL say they took classes in AFAM and never took one of the paper classes and never met or heard of Crowder before this incident. Just because there were 7 AFAM majors on the 05 team doesn't mean they all took Crowder's classes, or needed them to stay eligible. As you were told on another discussion on this forum, many, many athletic advisers were at UNC for years before Walden got here and didn't know. Your assumption that he knew instantly upon arrival is completely unwarranted, since there were people at the school who dealt with Crowder for years who didn't know she was grading the papers with no oversight. The NCAA has never hit a school with a lack of institional control for matters like this. As has been pointed out to you on other threads, similar situations to ours happened at Auburn and at Michigan, and the NCAA didn't hit them with sanctions or with a lack of institutional control. The LOIC is reserved for when a school doesn't properly monitor it's ATHLETIC activities, and academic programs that SPECIFICALLY AND EXCLUSIVELY help athletes. It's not for when a school doesn't properly monitor its academic activities. Why don't you stop flittering from topic to topic repeating the same already refuted arguments? We get that you think Walden is a liar and Roy is a liar. Your opinion isn't really relevant; the NCAA has to go on the evidence. They don't just assume that people who have cooperated with the investigation are lying unless there's evidence they lied, and in Roy's case, there isn't any. Enough of you."

10/27/2014 8:47:53 PM

Well it was down earlier

This is pretty funny http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=78&f=1408&t=13301834

Guy is advocating that all UNC fans boycott any company that advertises in the N&O. Including stuff like Duke Energy and a couple local hospitals. Because all of this is the newspaper's fault.

10/27/2014 9:13:17 PM

was hoping to find 'da scoo' on that list

10/27/2014 9:33:32 PM

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"Crowder isn't the only teacher of AFAM"

Good to know, considering she wasn't even a fucking professor

10/27/2014 9:38:46 PM

I wonder how many of the "regular" students plagiarized or recycled their final AFAM papers.

10/27/2014 9:44:50 PM

There was a banner ad for NC State women's basketball tix when I clicked.

But man is it hard reading that shit.

[Edited on October 28, 2014 at 5:41 AM. Reason : Whew]

10/28/2014 5:23:44 AM

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"wish i could boycott dook energy!"

10/28/2014 8:16:55 AM

11/2/2014 10:37:32 AM

People care more about men's basketball and football than women's basketball. BREAKING NEWS

11/2/2014 10:42:53 AM

^^ That sounds like a tacit admission of guilt.

11/2/2014 12:03:25 PM

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"Time to boycott. I hate it for UNC FB and the players, but the administration is killing football and we need to show them we will not accept crappy football. As much as I want to be in Kenan for Pitt, I plan to skip. I invite the rest of you to do the same. If you love UNC football, you will not go"

Boycott da schooool

11/2/2014 12:38:07 PM

UNC fans aren't really good at this whole "Us vs the world" thing. Its cute they're trying though.

[Edited on November 2, 2014 at 12:47 PM. Reason : ]

11/2/2014 12:46:41 PM

the downfall of joey powell is 2nd only to the downfall of UNC athletics in this whole thing. watching that sanctimonious prick eat it for 4 straight years has been glorious

11/2/2014 12:47:45 PM

LOL, who needs IC when you've got the delusional fucke that is this guy.

11/5/2014 11:55:51 AM

That fucke doesn't understand that da schooo is punished for the transgressions of its employees. They move/moved on to other jobs.

11/5/2014 12:16:08 PM

Holy shit, lol


JP @Joey_Powell
I wonder if #UNC could get sanctioned by the NCAA and just respond with, "Nah. Were good."

11/5/2014 12:36:49 PM

omg this guy is the worst. like, if I tried to concoct a supreme cockbag UNC overlord, I don't think what I could come up with would be close to him

11/5/2014 12:47:32 PM

I'm sure he's a cool guy in real life, he works for a charity if I'm not wrong. But holy shit when he puts his UNC blinkers on...

11/5/2014 12:50:08 PM

he is to UNC what aaronburro is to everything else

11/5/2014 1:07:27 PM

^The problem is he probably never takes those UNC Blinkers off. His holier than thou attitude is probably always present as it is with most UNC Elitists...

11/5/2014 1:07:34 PM

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"Yeah, I mean you can punish something...but how without harming people that have NOTHING to do with the violation?"

You can convict me of murder, but think of what that will do to my kids.

They just don't GET it.

11/5/2014 3:52:52 PM

Back to IC

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"My suggestion is: Enough. It is time to stop the hand-wringing and self-flagellation on here. It accomplishes nothing other than extending a false and/or distorted narrative. To that end, here is all ya need to know, your true talking points all laid out, then lets be done with it: 1. Remember, this was an academic scandal, isolated to rogue elements in one rogue department. Its only direct negative attachment to athletics was through the previous shenanigans in the football program (for which NCAA sanctions have already been issued). Basketball was only tangentially touched by this. Nobody in the basketball program did anything to facilitate or perpetrate this fraud. Remember, McCants' nutty allegations were categorically discredited. The players who took these classes turned in the work assigned and nobody did it for them. Thus, no banners are coming down, no basketball championships are going to be vacated, no degrees invalidated. 2. EVERY school has "paper" classes. Anyone remember the story a few years back about star dookie players taking nothing but "correspondence" (translation: "paper") courses in a semester? Hmm? 3. Even though Doherty apparently ran a looser ship (no surprise there), nothing illegal was shown to be going on even then. More importantly, Roy has been vindicated by the report, and of course Dean and Gut are and were beyond reproach. When it comes to hoops, no one should be ashamed to take pride in the "Carolina Way". Anyone who alleges otherwise is either ignorant or has an agenda (or both). As a former HS basketball coach who worked college camps, I can tell you that it was and is well-known within the coaching fraternity that even top-level players don't get a scholly to UNC unless they're prepared to be real students... and they're not gonna skirt by while they're there. Hell, even coaches who didn't like Carolina knew that... and either respected or, sadly in some cases, resented it. 4. MikeIrby: Keep up the good work, brother! Zero tolerance for trolls. Keep on "editing" their nasty posts and turning them back on them. In fact, feel free to lock this thread (after leaving an approving comment, of course ) to keep the trolls away. SO... let's talk some HOOPS on here! We have a team with the potential to win it all. ENJOY!"

11/5/2014 4:04:49 PM

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"As a former HS basketball coach who worked college camps, I can tell you that it was and is well-known within the coaching fraternity that even top-level players don't get a scholly to UNC unless they're prepared to be real students"

11/5/2014 4:37:20 PM

^^Whatever idiot decided to waste his time with that post is wrong on multiple accounts. Good job to him!

11/5/2014 4:39:03 PM

wow, i'm just .... .... .... flabbergasted


wow.


just...

11/5/2014 4:48:23 PM

I would say that post represents a fairly strong consensus over there.

11/5/2014 4:55:10 PM

I LOLed at the "basketball is only tangentially touched by this"

[Edited on November 5, 2014 at 5:06 PM. Reason : ]

11/5/2014 5:06:01 PM

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"Remember, McCants' nutty allegations were categorically discredited."

forget that everything in the report is consistent with what mccants said. ROY and his TEAMMATES said he was wrong, therefore categorically discredited.

11/5/2014 5:13:05 PM

The scandal is STILL going on, and you still see UNC fans fabricating stuff about the whole thing. Wonder what their version of events will be 15 or 20 years from now.

11/5/2014 5:22:48 PM

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"Take it away. Pretend it never happened. Strike it from the record. I don't give a krzyt. You know why? Because you can't take away the strippers and blow. You can't take away the all-nighter. You can't take away the hangover. You can't take away the off-season bragging rights. You can't take away the hug at half-court between our 3 seniors that experienced 8-20 to National Champions. You can't take away the family. You can't take away the memories. It happened and we were there. Ask Illinois if they feel any better now. They don't. They lost. They know it. There is no redemption. There is no fix-it. There is no make it right. "

Yeah, time to bring down the banners AND hammer them with multiple year post season bans in multiple sports.

11/10/2014 12:45:46 PM

This is a Grade A post:

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"Can you believe that the banners in the Smith Center are even being talked about being removed for something that the basketball program had nothing to do with? Our sports programs are under assault because of the actions of a few people that were not even in the athletic program. UNC has screwed the pooch. And have blamed athletics for their deficiencies in oversight. And athletics, specifically football has been harmed to save their own skin. The AFAM issue is 100% an academic issue. Fans of the programs we love are under attack by university employees that would rather shift the blame than accept responsibility. Truly a sad time at Carolina."

[Edited on November 10, 2014 at 9:14 PM. Reason : ]]

11/10/2014 9:13:56 PM

Love the willingness to sell out the academics for athletics. But then again those folks don't have degrees from UNC, so of course they don't care

11/10/2014 9:15:53 PM

I'm shocked that someone with grammar like that is willing to throw UNC's academics under the bus so quickly

11/10/2014 9:15:59 PM

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"One thing that isn't getting a ton of talk is that Sylvia Hatchell was at UNC since this whole thing started. Football coaches came and went, men's bball coaches came and went. But Hatchell was there the entire time. And based on some of the emails PP dug up, women's bball definitely benefited from this. Of course, women's basketball isn't any where near the same level as men's basketball and football in terms of popularity...so it's not as fun of a talking point. But damn...the case could be made for her to be fired."

Anson Dorrance has been connected to this! It'd be easier to come up with sports programs at Carolina that have not benefitted.

11/11/2014 8:34:42 AM