Quote :

"these and the supreme court justice nomination are all the reasons why Trump was elected."

that also why you’re such a fan?

[Edited on September 20, 2017 at 7:40 PM. Reason : or is it your affection for strong-handed leaders?]

9/20/2017 7:39:39 PM

MCCAIN A NO!

(and it seems like for real)

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/22/senator-john-mccain-says-he-cannot-support-graham-cassidy-obamacare-repeal-bill.html

[Edited on September 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM. Reason : asdf]

[Edited on September 22, 2017 at 2:12 PM. Reason : asdf]

9/22/2017 2:02:15 PM

9/22/2017 3:04:02 PM

Collins and Murkowski I don't think are hard no's yet and I still don't believe Rand Paul...so I don't think we're out of the danger zone yet

9/22/2017 3:05:06 PM

Collins was always a no and Murkowski has literally zero incentive to do anything the GOP wants. She won her race as a goddamn write-in.

9/22/2017 3:40:07 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/22/politics/pebble-epa-bristol-bay-invs/index.html

Quote :

"Within hours of meeting with a mining company CEO, the new head of the US Environmental Protection Agency directed his staff to withdraw a plan to protect the watershed of Bristol Bay, Alaska, one of the most valuable wild salmon fisheries on Earth, according to interviews and government emails obtained by CNN."

[Edited on September 22, 2017 at 8:15 PM. Reason : a]

9/22/2017 8:15:05 PM

The bill was never a serious bill. Its one last chance for them to show their constituents that they did what they said they would do and they can scapegoat mccain and the usuals who don't have to worry about elections as the reason why it didn't work out. they never actually wanted to do anything.

9/22/2017 9:42:19 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/24/politics/jared-kushner-private-email/index.html

From reddit: "You've got treason!"

9/24/2017 7:39:04 PM

But Hillary's emails!!!

9/24/2017 10:25:04 PM

Susan Collins out here saving lives

9/25/2017 7:41:50 PM

Moore wins and conservative people continue to reject the corporate establishment.

9/26/2017 10:05:04 PM

One step closer to the Christian Taliban

9/26/2017 10:26:28 PM

Quote :

"Moore wins and conservative people continue to reject the corporate establishment reality."

FIFY

9/27/2017 7:40:53 AM

It’s hard to reconcile Earls purported progressive views with his seeming joy at seeing people like Moore win. Like you realize that Moore is on record saying Keith Ellison shouldn’t hold a seat in Congress BECAUSE he is Muslim, right?

He is about as anti-progressive as they are made in all aspects. Earl is a fraud who just wants to see the world burn.

9/27/2017 8:18:18 AM

Earl is a troll. He's always been a troll.

9/27/2017 9:53:06 AM

Conservative voters have no ethos, they’re not voting to reject the corporate establishment.

They have just been voting for whoever’s saying the craziest things in Support of the status quo.

9/27/2017 9:54:42 AM

unbiased analysis =/= joy

i guess you guys only appreciate democracy when your views are represented

full disclosure i do like seeing the establishment lose tho. big money losing to grass roots is always a good thing.

democracy reveals culture. me hating the culture of alabama is an irrelevent personal detail.

[Edited on September 27, 2017 at 11:17 AM. Reason : im not gonna hate democracy juat because american people dont choose progressives]

9/27/2017 10:52:06 AM

Did someone question or belittle democracy in this thread?

9/27/2017 11:20:38 AM

Both candidates were terrible, but as much as I hate to admit it, Strange would have been the lesser of two evils because he wasn't as much of an outspoken homophobic, Islamaphobic, and psychotic extremist. He would have been a Trump "yes man", but that only works for so long in Trump's sphere of influence, since he will throw anyone under the bus whenever he can. Trump isn't even all that upset about the loss, so in the end, it doesn't look like this is as big of a blow to the GOP as some are claiming. The choices were between vomit and shit, so any 'victory' that's being claimed for eroding the Trump "establishment" (whatever the fuck that's even supposed to mean) will be short-lived, since it won't make a damn bit of difference in the grand scheme of things.





[Edited on September 27, 2017 at 11:55 AM. Reason : can't type]

9/27/2017 11:49:55 AM

you belittled democracy by questioning my progressive authenticity because i "seemed happy" about democracy prevailing even though it led to a farther right candidate winning.

its obvious you would much rather corporations choose politicians than have the people choose someone further away from your political views.

9/27/2017 12:03:19 PM

[Edited on September 27, 2017 at 12:15 PM. Reason : .]

9/27/2017 12:14:46 PM

^^ nah, he's right. You don't give a shit about progress. You see politics as a zero sum game and you'll cheer for whatever side will make the world burn the hottest and fastest.

9/27/2017 12:21:04 PM

Quote :

"its obvious you would much rather corporations choose politicians than have the people choose someone further away from your political views"

What are you even going on about? No one, me included, is saying people can’t choose whoever the hell they want. FFS we have a failed businessman turned celebrity as president and a shitty comedian in the Senate.

What the hell is the point of this if I can’t call who the GOP is electing to the Senate insane?

9/27/2017 1:18:30 PM

Moore's election is not a victory for democracy. This is a person who has claimed he will never compromise on anything. This is the attitude that has caused Congress to grind to a halt. The government only works when politicians actually want it to work.

9/27/2017 3:43:43 PM

Quote :

"and a shitty comedian in the Senate."

?

9/27/2017 3:45:11 PM

Hopefully he's talking about Ted Cruz and not Al Franken

9/27/2017 4:14:25 PM

I was trying to both sides it. Didn’t really mean it..

9/27/2017 4:51:50 PM

Superpacs buying elections is not democracy. Anytime a grassrooots candidate wins over an establishment candidate with all the money behind him, its a victory for democracy.

If a racist, homophobic population elects a racist homo0hobe, democracy is working. If you dont think a racist homophpbic population should be able to elect a candidate that shares that passion towards values they believe are non compromise issues, then you dont believe in democracy.

and thats fine if you dont like democracy. im not saying democracy is perfect

9/27/2017 6:59:20 PM

A super PAC brought in Steve Bannon and Sarah Palin to campaign for Roy Moore. You’re just trolling now and I don’t feel like having to repeat yet again that I don’t think the process was flawed. You’re an obtuse moron if you can’t understand that.

9/27/2017 7:49:31 PM

If you have a source that refutes what I am saying and supports your point then I'll wait
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2017/09/contributions-flood-alabama-runoff/

Quote :

"Strange has raised $3.9 million and spent about $4.1 million as of Sept. 6, according to filings with the Federal Elections Commission (FEC). The amount raised by his campaign more than doubles the $1.7 million then-Sen. Jeff Sessions received for his 2014 Senate bid. The majority of Strange’s financing has come from PACs, which make up 28.5 percent of his contributions, and large individual donors. Moore, on the other hand, has raised money predominantly from small and large individual donors with little to no support from PACs. According a Sept. 6 FEC filing, Moore’s campaign has raised $1.4 million and spent $1.1 million. As far as outside spending, the Solution Fund PAC has spent $54,000 in support of Moore while the Swamp Drainers Foundation and the Madison Project have spent $85,000 and $68,000 respectively in advertising and other communication materials against Strange. Over the summer and in the past few weeks, money has flowed quickly into the race. As of early September, the Senate Leadership Fund (SLF), a super PAC affiliated with McConnell, has thrown $733,000 into the race in support of Strange and another $2.5 million in attack ads against Moore. "

Bringing in people to campaign is not the same

Quote :

"In the past two months, 18 of the last 20 videos on SLF’s YouTube channel have covered the Alabama Senate race with a pro-Strange stance, and SLF spent $383,000 on postage and printing in the last week alone in support of Strange. The super PAC also funded $1.8 million in assorted ads opposing Moore from late August to early September. The Senate Leadership Fund is not the only outside group ramping up their spending in the Alabama race on the eve of the election. The National Rifle Association’s PAC has spent a little over $1 million, including $874,000 within the last two weeks, in support of Strange."

When Russia did this, you guys were ready for nuclear war

[Edited on September 28, 2017 at 2:38 AM. Reason : i really do my homework]

9/28/2017 2:35:27 AM

If I was Russia, I would support the extreme elements in both parties.

9/28/2017 7:58:19 AM

^^ Holy shit. I don’t even know what you’re arguing.

^ they do. At least ideological spectrums at least. See Stein. Jill.

[Edited on September 28, 2017 at 8:02 AM. Reason : But yeah Russian just wants to foment conflict]

9/28/2017 8:01:31 AM

You know exactly what is being argued because you made a weak point that directly countered my argument and after being refuted with facts are pretending to not understand what is being argued. I was clear here but you are uncomfortable because even though you claim to be against citizens united, you always find yourself on the side of big money. Here it is...

Quote :

"Superpacs buying elections is not democracy. Anytime a grassrooots candidate wins over an establishment candidate with all the money behind him, its a victory for democracy. "

and its not like I discovered the concept of big money being an erosion of democracy so no, I'm not trolling. Its a widely accepted concept outside of this board.

https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/super-pacs-gobbling-democracy

Quote :

"Brent Ferguson explains how Super PACs and their mega-rich donors threaten democracy."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/15/opinion/wertheimer-super-pacs/index.html

Quote :

"Super PACs a disaster for democracy"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blair-bowie/how-super-pacs-are-auctio_b_1262962.html

Quote :

"How Super PACs Are Auctioning Our Democracy to the Highest Bidder, and How We Can Fight Back"

https://www.americanbar.org/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/2012_vol_39_/winter_2012_-_vote/democracy_at_stakepoliticalequalityinthesuperpacera.html

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"The rise of Super PACs and the dark money pouring into our elections have laid bare the broken, unfair system the Supreme Court has left us. Now is our best chance in more than a generation to lift the dark clouds and secure a brighter future for American democracy by empowering ordinary citizens and truly honoring the principle of political equality."

Election results like this are the best weapon we have against big money in politics.

9/28/2017 10:47:08 AM

Can one of you republican cucks explain this for me (and no, this isn't satire, this is real life):
LINDSEY GRAHAM ON OBAMACARE REPEAL: I HAD NO IDEA WHAT I WAS DOING
https://theintercept.com/2017/09/27/lindsey-graham-on-obamacare-repeal-i-had-no-idea-what-i-was-doing/

Quote :

"Graham, though, said he was not alone in his lack of understanding of health care. “Nobody in our conference believes Obamacare works. It must be replaced. But until now, we didn’t know how to do it,” Graham told reporters in the Capitol on Tuesday, audio of which is posted below. A reporter pointed out that such ignorance at this late stage is hard to understand. “You’ve been working to overhaul this for seven years. Why is this so hard?” she asked. “Well, I’ve been doing it for about a month. I thought everybody else knew what the hell they were talking about, but apparently not,” Graham clarified, adding he had assumed “these really smart people will figure it out.”"

time and time again republicans show that they are incapable of governing and are only able to be obstructionist, why are you okay with that?

9/28/2017 11:12:40 AM

I know you want them to answer but they aren't ok with it which is exactly why they are draining the swamp

9/28/2017 11:15:25 AM

when you troll too hard it's very obvious, you have to dial it back a bit

9/28/2017 11:30:06 AM

^^^and Lindsey Graham is by far one of the less batshit and more competent ones.

But then you have all of these former GOP Dr.s too (Price, Cassidy, Paul, etc etc) who's ideas are either even more batshit right wing or they keep their mouths shut for fear of some one accusing them of sochulism.

I think what we are seeing is the hollowing out of the conservative "ideas machine." The actual think-tank parts of Heritage, CATO, Mercatus, etc are shells of what they use to be. Instead emphasis has shifted to raising money, bomb throwing, and just openly lying about legislation.





And a significant part of this country just eats up and demands more. Mind-boggling.

[Edited on September 28, 2017 at 11:36 AM. Reason : I'm ready to fast forward a decade, the next few years are gonna be a shit show]

9/28/2017 11:34:49 AM

Quote :

"I was clear here but you are uncomfortable because even though you claim to be against citizens united, you always find yourself on the side of big money. Here it is..."

Huh? All I damn did was comment on Moore’s batshit crazy ideas and history.

[Edited on September 28, 2017 at 11:48 AM. Reason : Again I ask what or who are you arguing with?]

9/28/2017 11:47:46 AM

John McCain embraced the tea party instead of marginalizing them, and 8 years later the GOP has gone full dotard.

9/28/2017 12:22:36 PM

except you attacked me specificially by the name you always refer to me as and from the start, i was talking about money in politics, and this being a huge win against the pac money of the corporate establishment....not views.

Defeating big money has to happen before progressive change can take place.

9/28/2017 12:36:23 PM

Quote :

"I know you want them to answer but they aren't ok with it which is exactly why they are draining the swamp"

They're draining the swamp? That's news to me. I see a lot of words and use of catch phrases (and the gullible people who believe them) but it's backed up by...Nothing!

9/28/2017 12:49:23 PM

Ive posted all of the money evidence supporting that idea on this very page. This was an anti mcconnel/establishment/bigmoney/swamp result and a signal to trump that they have no allegience to him or anyone else who sells them out

9/28/2017 1:07:43 PM

^^ you got earl'd

9/28/2017 1:23:42 PM

They are just draining the chemicals from West Virginia's coal mines into the rivers then into the swamps and just killing everything in it.

9/28/2017 1:40:04 PM

^^^Electing a different swamp doesn't actually drain the swamp.

9/28/2017 4:57:34 PM

you asking to get earl'd

9/28/2017 9:24:11 PM

I know he’s trolling but I fall for it all the time. No self discipline.

9/29/2017 8:19:02 AM

A lot of projecting going on by dtownral and others who frequently use the t-word. I post supporting facts, quotes and MSM articles too often to be trolling. My reputation of trolling was built around saying unpopular things that the herd disagreed with which all turned out to be correct years later. (Gottfried is a bad coach)

If reading a different or new perspective on the internet upsets you so much, you must live life with a lot of rage and the internet is probably the wrong place for you.

Quote :

"^^^Electing a different swamp doesn't actually drain the swamp."

It seems like liberals have created their own, alternative definition of swamp as posts like this would indicate. "Swamp" refers to the corporate-politicial status quo where politicians have their campaigns funded by special interests, and then are bossed around by their respective lobbyists once they get in DC and there is a revolving door between government and lobbying. It has nothing to do with ideology. Trump did not help drain the swamp but this election, I have shown with opensecrets information, was a move to drain the swamp. Here is a quote from Gorka himself.

Quote :

"“The other one is a Swamp dweller!” Gorka said of Luther Strange. “20 years a lobbyist, appointed by a corrupt governor who had to step down three months later. They know it. They know who the real candidate is.”"

Just because a seat moved to the right, doesn't mean swamp wasn't drained. The corporate money is probably the only reason establishment candidates are more moderate.

[Edited on September 29, 2017 at 12:15 PM. Reason : trolls namecall and make other useless, 1-line posts]

9/29/2017 12:13:38 PM

9/29/2017 12:39:45 PM

Senate unveils 2018 budget resolution that would increase deficit by $1.5 trillion

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/353097-senate-unveils-2018-budget-resolution

9/29/2017 12:52:20 PM