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"(I know I am ignoring the play in game but play in games don't really count)"

Haha. Well that's nice.

3/30/2011 11:04:24 AM

Play in games haven't historically helped "build momentum" for other teams in them so to argue that it suddenly did in VCUs case would be pretty ridiculous.

3/30/2011 11:15:08 AM

That's b/c historically there haven't been play-in games except for 16 seeds.

3/30/2011 11:15:40 AM

same shit, different day with this thread

3/30/2011 11:18:13 AM

I'm flying from RDU to Nashville tomorrow for work. Then on Friday I am flying back. I'll be sure to keep an eye out for coaches making connecting flights to and from Raleigh.

Oh wait! I am flying Southwest. What kind of A-list coach is going to be flying Southwest?

3/30/2011 11:18:17 AM

one that cares about bags flying free?

3/30/2011 11:22:00 AM

Gregg Marshall has a "southwest airlines" quality about him

3/30/2011 11:23:02 AM

Shaka's airline of choice?

3/30/2011 11:26:57 AM

probably old but...

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"Virginia Commonwealth’s Shaka Smart continues to be the central figure in N.C. State’s search for a new basketball coach, according to multiple sources in the college basketball coaching community. Smart, who will turn 34 on April 8, is 55-20 in two seasons at Virginia Commonwealth. The Rams will play Butler on Saturday at Houston in the Final Four of the NCAA Tournament… …According to multiple sources, Wolfpack officials also are considering at least two additional candidates for the job. One of those candidates already has given preliminary approval of the basic framework of an agreement with NCSU."

My guess is Miller said ...sure i'll come... fooor...hmmm. 3.9million?

3/30/2011 11:28:29 AM

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"That's b/c historically there haven't been play-in games except for 16 seeds."

So without the play in game VCU would have lost to Georgetown?
I would rather take the chance on Smart being the real deal than go with a safe (mediocre at best) coach.

3/30/2011 11:33:51 AM

yeah, likely...

Time to stop bothering with the rumor mills and just accept that we will have Smart ... and if not then GM. I'm ok with either one.

3/30/2011 11:34:02 AM

If we end up with gregggg I have dibs on the greggggg credibility watch thread.
Players will hate him
Recruits will hate him
Fans will hate him

Sounds like a recipe for winning right there.

3/30/2011 11:40:02 AM

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"So without the play in game VCU would have lost to Georgetown?"

I don't know, but you can't completely discount its effect just b/c it's a "play-in game".

[Edited on March 30, 2011 at 11:44 AM. Reason : .]

3/30/2011 11:43:47 AM

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"One of those candidates already has given preliminary approval of the basic framework of an agreement with NCSU"

wat?

3/30/2011 11:47:50 AM

http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/9353657/

There has to be some kind of connection between Wendell Murphy and the coaching search and these PIGS on 40. is he stopping Donovan from leaving Raleigh, Are those pigs part of the coaching contract???????

3/30/2011 11:50:53 AM

yea i was wondering who the other two possible candidates were.. and if we're waiting for smart, that means they're not big fish. right?

3/30/2011 11:53:33 AM

I'm guessing the guy who agreed isn't Marshall or Grant since they are still playing. And neither of the two are a big name.

3/30/2011 11:58:33 AM

It'd be cool if Yow could say what went down after we get a coach, but that won't happen.

3/30/2011 11:59:29 AM

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"Virginia Commonwealth’s Shaka Smart continues to be the central figure in N.C. State’s search for a new basketball coach, according to multiple sources in the college basketball coaching community. Smart, who will turn 34 on April 8, is 55-20 in two seasons at Virginia Commonwealth. The Rams will play Butler on Saturday at Houston in the Final Four of the NCAA Tournament… …According to multiple sources, Wolfpack officials also are considering at least two additional candidates for the job. One of those candidates already has given preliminary approval of the basic framework of an agreement with NCSU."

Where is this quote from?

3/30/2011 12:01:42 PM

^^ She would if it was something epic like a three way battle between Barnes, Miller, and Donovan.

But obviously the truth is getting turned down constantly and *crickets* when asking the search firm how things are going.

[Edited on March 30, 2011 at 12:02 PM. Reason : ...]

3/30/2011 12:01:57 PM

^^http://www.accsports.com/blogs/david-glenn/2011033010179/wolfpack-search-update-on-smart-donovan-etc.php

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"Meanwhile, more than a dozen sources — including several at Florida and N.C. State — shot down the rumor that Florida coach Billy Donovan has any interest in the Wolfpack job. One source with the Gators said Donovan spent most of Tuesday traveling to and then relaxing at his beach house in Florida. The source said Donovan was “amused but not surprised” at the baseless speculation, which led to an unusual number of texts and phone calls to the coach. “That (Donovan to NCSU) was a bad rumor even by bad-rumor standards,” one ACC source said. “I thought the Bruce Pearl rumor was about as ridiculous as it gets, but the Donovan stuff may have been worse. I’m not sure what’s worse, actually: that people with websites make these things up, or that fans continue to follow the people with websites who make this stuff up. It should be embarrassing to everyone involved.”"

SOURCES

[Edited on March 30, 2011 at 12:03 PM. Reason : so many sources, not one damn accountable quote]

3/30/2011 12:02:51 PM

ha i'm almost expecting someone to be announced out of left field that no one has considered

3/30/2011 12:03:52 PM

^ That'll probably happen, but not in a good way.

3/30/2011 12:04:23 PM

Disregarding the big names that we won't get...I hope we land either Smart or Grant. I like black coaches. As long as you can avoid being the "best friend coach" like Sidney and actually garner some respect from them, I think they have an advantage in recruiting today's young, black athletes.

I don't want Marshall...but it won't be the end of the world if we get him. He can coach, I just don't know if he can handle running a major program and he has a history of attitude problems (clashing with administrators and players).

3/30/2011 12:04:33 PM

I'm sure Yow would set him straight if he really does have problems with administration

3/30/2011 12:07:23 PM

FWIW david glenn's Florida source is the UF's AD...

3/30/2011 12:08:03 PM

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"I’m not sure what’s worse, actually: that people with websites make these things up, or that fans continue to follow the people with websites who make this stuff up."

Only in this case, "people with websites" were members of the media who were reporting that Donovan inquired about the job and had an interview. If that was bullshit, then OK but you can't blame the fans.

3/30/2011 12:08:25 PM

Yow probably just wouldn't even pursue him if she thought he had any of those problems. That's why I'm not too worried about us ending up with Marshall.

3/30/2011 12:08:31 PM

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"I like black coaches. As long as you can avoid being the "best friend coach" like Sidney and actually garner some respect from them, I think they have an advantage in recruiting today's young, black athletes."

I think that's why Coach K and Roy do so well in recruiting. They identify so well, having been born poor black children themselves a la Navin Johnson.

Just build a winning program and recruiting takes care of itself.


[Edited on March 30, 2011 at 12:09 PM. Reason : .]

3/30/2011 12:08:49 PM

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"“We certainly are aware that Shaka is a hot commodity, and a fantastic basketball coach, and we’re working hard right now to improve and upgrade the nature of his relationship with VCU, financially and otherwise,” VCU athletic director Norwood Teague told ACCSports.com on Tuesday. “We also understand that someone out there could offer him $4 million a year, and that’s something we can’t do."

Alright, I'm coming around on Shaka, but are we really going to have to pay him $4 mil a year? ffs...

3/30/2011 12:09:12 PM

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"I like black coaches. As long as you can avoid being the "best friend coach" like Sidney and actually garner some respect from them, I think they have an advantage in recruiting today's young, black athletes."

I try to give you the benefit of the doubt, but this may be your new low(e).

3/30/2011 12:09:26 PM

At this point, I'd be very happy with Shaka...yes he'd be a little risky, but I like his upside and think he'd be a good hire.

On another note, I've never really read Pack Insider until the last couple of days. The people on those forums (and writers) throw out some pretty crazy rumors (crazier than PP, if you ask me). People are saying that Greg Swaim and SFN have been smokescreens. What I don't understand is, why all the talk about smokescreens? Do search firms really do that? Is it possible that the search committee and firm have just been very tight lipped and have not let much information leak? People are painting Debbie Yow as some sort of Jedi...playing mind tricks with the entire fan base and local media. I think Yow is a good AD and will make a good hire, but the smokescreen stuff is just crazy...

I wonder who would be willing to pay Shaka 4 mill a year? The only big openings right now are NC State, Oklahoma, and Mizzou (possibly Purdue if Painter does leave)...right? I don't see any of those school putting up 4 mill for a coach who has 2 years of experience...

[Edited on March 30, 2011 at 12:11 PM. Reason : ]

3/30/2011 12:10:19 PM

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"Alright, I'm coming around on Shaka, but are we really going to have to pay him $4 mil a year?"

fuck no.

3/30/2011 12:11:26 PM

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"Alright, I'm coming around on Shaka, but are we really going to have to pay him $4 mil a year? ffs..."

The dude was just throwing an arbitrary number out there to illustrate how vcu can't pay coaches as much as some other programs. In no way would we offer ANYONE $4mil/year.

3/30/2011 12:11:27 PM

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"FWIW david glenn's Florida source is the UF's AD..."

lol, that's what is killing me. Writers hear that Donovan is in Raleigh, so they call up UF...who, if he was smart, would think he was at his obscure beach house, where he spent most of the day traveling to get there. Oh wait.

Still an improbable coach, but still, don't be retarded. If you're hearing multiple sources on both sides of the call, then something is going on.

^People in here were saying Donovan would be worth $4 million...which is probably the only coach we could get that would be worth it.

[Edited on March 30, 2011 at 12:13 PM. Reason : lkj]

3/30/2011 12:12:10 PM

i wonder if they are going to have to put debbie yow on some methamphetamines like hitler to keep her going until we get a coach

3/30/2011 12:12:15 PM

it only took 89 pages until hitler was mentioned? you've let me down tww

3/30/2011 12:15:07 PM

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"ha i'm almost expecting someone to be announced out of left field that no one has considered"

This would not surprise me at all...I don't really have a clue who this would be though because it seems like most coaches that are logical candidates have been mentioned. But we'll see what happens.

3/30/2011 12:16:23 PM

Mark Few is our new Head Coach.

3/30/2011 12:18:48 PM

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"I think that's why Coach K and Roy do so well in recruiting. They identify so well, having been born poor black children themselves a la Navin Johnson."

I didn't say "only." Plus, those guys are college coaching legends...they don't count.

3/30/2011 12:20:32 PM

Players need an authority figure, not someone else to listen to Wiz Khalifa and play Madden with.

3/30/2011 12:28:04 PM

Who's to say Shaka couldn't be an authority figure??

3/30/2011 12:34:12 PM

^^^ Plus, Coach K doesn't recruit real black players, he recruits Uncle Toms.

3/30/2011 12:34:56 PM

3/30/2011 12:37:03 PM

No one, but your whole argument earlier was predicated on his race and youth being relatable with recruits. I like the guy and think he'd do well here, but not because he's black. Top recruits don't go to schools because they have black coaches. Look at the top 10 classes for next year. Ten white coaches. And Mike Anderson doesn't count.

3/30/2011 12:40:30 PM

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"WSU making a run? Marshall has been to the tournament 7 times and won a grand total of 1 fucking game. I really really doubt he would have suddenly made a run. They beat a "power conference" team (pac 10 was a shitty shitty conference this year) who had their only viable scoring option in foul trouble the entire night."

So Wazzou lost by 31 because their best player was in foul trouble. LOL that's worse than your best Sidney Lowe excuse.

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"Earlier in this thread you admitted to Turgeon starting to build a program at Wichita State. After he left what happened? Did Marshall continue building on his success? Nope he sucked a big fat cock while he implemented his system of boring ass conservative set plays (a fucking 3 on 1 situation after a turnover last night and the players just sat there so they could run a set goddamn play)."

Marshall had 5 scholarship players when he arrived. An even worse situation than your boy Sidney Lowe inherited but I am sure you knew that so since your so knowledgeable about basketball right? In year 4 he has already set the WSU record for wins with 28. Beating Alabama and winning the NIT would be a great accomplishment but I'm sure the usual dumbasses will say "uhhh duh it's the NIT".

[Edited on March 30, 2011 at 12:47 PM. Reason : lol at this argument coming from the Give Sidney Lowe more time crowd]

3/30/2011 12:42:51 PM

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"Disregarding the big names that we won't get...I hope we land either Smart or Grant. I like black coaches. As long as you can avoid being the "best friend coach" like Sidney and actually garner some respect from them, I think they have an advantage in recruiting today's young, black athletes."

hey Greek, any other scoops?

3/30/2011 12:43:21 PM

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"it only took 89 pages until hitler was mentioned? you've let me down tww"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

3/30/2011 12:47:39 PM

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"So Wazzou lost by 31 because their best player was in foul trouble."

The guy averages 22 points he scored 6. Either WSU played incredible defense or they got lucky when he picked up his 3rd foul in the first half. Night in night out that Thompson carries the team so for him to not be playing for a good portion of the game was HUGE.

So if gregg is such a good coach why has no one except for WSU taken a shot. He had enough success at Winthrop where he would have been offered other jobs if there weren't underlying issues.

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"Marshall had 5 scholarship players when he arrived. An even worse situation than your boy Sidney Lowe inherited but I am sure you knew that so since your so knowledgeable about basketball right? "

Nope I sure didn't because I (along with the rest of america) don't really give a fuck about WSU basketball and their boring ass head coach. He has already shown what his ceiling is and it is low.

If gregg marshall is hired I will be waiting for Harrow, Brown and Leslie to all transfer.

[Edited on March 30, 2011 at 1:00 PM. Reason : asdf]

[Edited on March 30, 2011 at 1:07 PM. Reason : asdf]

3/30/2011 12:57:23 PM

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"if gregg is such a good coach why has no one except for WSU taken a shot"

this has always been my question about Marshall

when you make the NCAA tourney however many straight years at a school like Winthrop, why didn't a bigger program than WICHITA STATE take a chance on him? Theres something about him thats just not right

3/30/2011 1:12:16 PM