you can't possibly seriously still think that this is a viable possibility, can you?

i mean, i can't imagine how you thought it was to begin with, but whatever.

5/10/2005 4:47:22 PM

Army Recruiting Office
3136 Calvary Dr
Raleigh, NC 27604-6051
Phone: (919) 873-0797

5/16/2005 9:04:10 PM

still waiting on this mando-draft thing to scoop all of you weenie liberals up to make you defend the country you attack

what a horrid armed services that would be, then, eh?

5/16/2005 10:37:50 PM

Quote :

"still waiting on this mando-draft thing to scoop all of you weenie liberals up to make you defend the country you attack what a horrid armed services that would be, then, eh?"

How is my fighting in Iraq protecting my country?

[Edited on May 16, 2005 at 10:52 PM. Reason : ...and why haven't you enlisted?]

5/16/2005 10:51:58 PM

So pryderi, why did you bttt this thread?

5/16/2005 11:02:16 PM

I'm just trying to get people to really support the troops, and prevent the draft from being a remote possibility.

5/16/2005 11:04:22 PM

Maybe you misread my post.

Maybe you didn't read it at all.

If you had, you wouldn't have made that asinine comment about Iraq; considering I never mentioned it, nor does the thread title mention it.

Now, take a few minutes, look over what I really posted, and come up with a witty response.

5/17/2005 6:13:02 AM

Quote :

"Maybe you misread my post. Maybe you didn't read it at all. If you had, you wouldn't have made that asinine comment about Iraq; considering I never mentioned it, nor does the thread title mention it. Now, take a few minutes, look over what I really posted, and come up with a witty response. "

Maybe you haven't followed the Iraq War.

Maybe you don't understand that there's a causal relationship between the Iraqi War and the possibility of a draft.

If you had, you wouldn't have made that asinine comment about weenie liberals being drafted; considering the posts in the last few pages talk about Iraq and military recruitment falling short.

Now, take a few minutes, look over what has been posted recently, and pull your head out of your ass.

5/17/2005 8:23:32 AM

About the draft bill that was created last year:

S 89:

Quote :

"1/7/2003: Read twice and referred to the Senate Committee on Armed Services. 12/31/2004: This bill is "dead". It was not passed into law before the end of the 108th Congress."

HR 163:

Quote :

"10/5/2004 Failed of passage/not agreed to in House. Status: On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill Failed by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 2 - 402 (Roll no. 494)."

http://www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp

Judging by the 2-402 vote for HR 163, I feel that it is safe to say that even lawmakers are strongly opposed to a new draft. It would require a whole new slew of legislation to start one at this point. Feel free to let us know when another draft bill is introduced. Until then,STFU.

5/17/2005 10:12:45 AM

Draft bill reintroduced....

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2005/280505pressesfordraft.htm

Quote :

"Anti-war lawmaker presses again for military draft WASHINGTON (AP) Rep. Charles Rangel is once again pushing a bill to re-instate the military draft, a year after the effort caused a flurry of campaign-season conflict over the war in Iraq. Rangel, an anti-war Democrat from Harlem, offered the same measure last year, only to vote against it when Republicans brought the bill to the House. At the time, GOP leaders were upset over a growing buzz on the Internet that the Bush administration might begin drafting American citizens if Bush won re-election. They blamed Democrats for fueling the speculation in a cynical attempt to win voters to their candidate, John Kerry. Rangel said he is again calling for a draft because military recruitment is falling short. ``Everyone knows that we went into this war with an insufficient number of troops, but the problem now is filling the ranks of those units that are already on the ground,'' said Rangel. The veteran lawmaker has railed against the Bush administration's handling of the Iraq war, called for the removal of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and argued that the burdens of the war disproportionately have fallen on the poor and minorities."

5/28/2005 9:01:18 PM

stupid nigger spic

5/28/2005 11:10:05 PM

I did my time in the Army already so no worries here, but when did Alex Jones become a reputable source . . . . ???

5/28/2005 11:21:18 PM

ive been wanting to check out vancouver for a while anyways

5/28/2005 11:23:29 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/01/AR2005060101654.html

Quote :

"After 30 Years, Draft Fears Rise Some Youths and Parents Worry Despite Government's Assurances By Christian Davenport Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, June 2, 2005 ...Rarely in the more than 30 years since the draft was abolished has the Selective Service triggered such angst. Two years into the Iraq war, concern that the draft will be reinstated to supplement an overextended military persists -- no matter how often, or emphatically, President Bush and members of Congress say it won't."

6/3/2005 6:56:37 PM

NEWS FLASH: OMG PEOPLE WORRY ABOUT BEING DRAFTED!!!!!!!!1111111

6/3/2005 8:04:31 PM

so one of those links said we would have a draft instituted by 05/2005
what happened?

6/3/2005 8:07:00 PM

Quote :

" DoD assumes responsibility for releasing recruiting stats Individual services no longer authorized to announce numbers at beginning of the month By Laura Bailey Times staff writer The Army and Marine Corps, as they struggle with recruiting shortfalls, will no longer announce their monthly recruiting numbers at the beginning of each month. Instead, the Defense Department will approve the release of recruiting statistics for all four services. "

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-892069.php

6/3/2005 8:13:32 PM

I guess the military is short on statisticians too

6/3/2005 8:22:00 PM

i drove down salisbury st today

it was a conspiracy

6/3/2005 8:29:04 PM

The numbers for May for Army and Marines must be horrible

6/3/2005 8:29:06 PM

Quote :

"U.S. Army says it's lacking troops to hold key ground Tom Lasseter Knight Ridder Newspapers Jun. 1, 2005 12:00 AM TAL AFAR, Iraq - U.S. Army officers in the badland deserts of northwestern Iraq, near the Syrian border, say they don't have enough troops to hold the ground they take from insurgents in this transit point for weapons, money and foreign fighters. From last October to the end of April, there were about 400 soldiers from the 25th Infantry Division patrolling the northwestern region, which covers about 10,000 square miles."

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0601iraq-insurgency01.html

6/3/2005 8:42:27 PM

Quote :

"To Fill Ranks, Army Acts To Retain Even Problem Enlistees By GREG JAFFE Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL June 3, 2005 WASHINGTON -- Faced with a long, tough war in Iraq, the U.S. Army has struggled mightily with recruiting. Now the service is battling to keep the new soldiers it has brought into the force. More of the new Army recruits are washing out of the service before completing their first enlistment, which typically runs three or four years. One recent memorandum from a senior Army personnel official branded the problem "a matter of great concern." The Army's answer: Figure out a way to keep more of the soldiers who are now being forced out. "We need your concerted effort to reverse the negative trend," reads the internal Army memo, which was directed to senior commanders. "By reducing attrition 1% we can save up to 3,000 initial term soldiers. That's 3,000 more soldiers in our formations." To keep more soldiers in the service, the Army has told battalion commanders, who typically command 800-soldier units, that they can no longer bounce soldiers from the service for poor fitness, pregnancy, alcohol and drug abuse or generally unsatisfactory performance. "It is the guys on weight control ... school no-shows, drug users, et cetera, who eat up my time and cause my hair to gray prematurely," says one Army battalion commander. "Often they have more than one of these issues simultaneously." "

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/0,,SB111776400852250138,00.html?mod=todays_free_feature

6/3/2005 11:29:58 PM

Quote :

"I rarely send a mail to a large audience, but the possibility of mandatory drafting for boys and girls (age 18-26) starting June 15 2005, is something, I believe, everyone should know."

2 MORE DAYS!!!!!!!

6/13/2005 12:15:29 PM

http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1274&storyid=3278264

Quote :

"Military draft back on US agenda By Maxim Kniazkov in Washington Australian Daily Telegraph June 13, 2005 THE United States would "have to face" a painful dilemma on restoring the military draft as rising casualties saw the number of volunteers dry up, a senator warned today. Joseph Biden, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, made the prediction after new data released by the Pentagon showed the US Army failing to meet its recruitment targets for four straight months. "We're going to have to face that question," he said on NBC's Meet the Press TV show when asked if it was realistic to expect restoration of the draft. "The truth of the matter is, it is going to become a subject, if, in fact, there's a 40 per cent shortfall in recruitment. It's just a reality," he said. The comment came after the Department of Defence announced the army had missed its recruiting goal for May by 1661 recruits, or 25 per cent. Similar losses have been reported by army officials every month since February."

BOO-YA

6/13/2005 6:15:09 PM

yes. A democrat is making that statement, and its been said TIME AND TIME AGAIN, that the democrats are USING THE DRAFT as a fucking scare tactic. Get a top ranking republican to say "yeah, it'll happen" and then you might, JUST MIGHT, have a fucking point.

6/13/2005 6:21:49 PM

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/resurrect_draft.html

Quote :

"CONGRESS READY TO RESURRECT DRAFT U.S. Needs ‘More Boots on Ground,’ Says Democrat By Greg Szymanski A House bill to reinstate the draft finally made its way to the Armed Services Committee where a vote is expected only after President Bush decides whether he is for or against conscription. ... Although Rangel’s bill mounted very little support when it was first introduced last session during an election year, critics claim now that the election is over and the military is crying for more warm bodies that a reinstatement of the draft is “inevitable and only a mater of time.” “No one likes to hear it, but if things keep going the way they are with less recruits and re-enlistment numbers down, the draft may be the only way to solve the problem,” said Milne. "

6/13/2005 6:22:14 PM

Quote :

"yes. A democrat is making that statement, and its been said TIME AND TIME AGAIN, that the democrats are USING THE DRAFT as a fucking scare tactic. Get a top ranking republican to say "yeah, it'll happen" and then you might, JUST MIGHT, have a fucking point."

6/13/2005 6:23:21 PM

ONE MORE DAY!!!

6/14/2005 9:59:38 AM

Quote :

"Get a top ranking republican to say "yeah, it'll happen" and then you might, JUST MIGHT, have a fucking point." "

i guess it is kinda like getting a top ranking republican to say "yeah they have weapons of mass destruction" and then since they are republican it must be true

6/14/2005 2:21:12 PM

gawd you all let this thread stay at the top for over a year. LET IT DIE

6/14/2005 5:40:38 PM

they are getting really desperate for recruits......

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8218961/

6/14/2005 6:07:13 PM

it's a trap

6/14/2005 6:32:34 PM

all of you can sit here and pat yourselves on the back if you are right about them not having a draft but if they do i am glad i will be 26 by then and I know that I will not have to be shipped to some foreign country and piss their people off just because some asshole sitting in a leather chair in Washington checked the yes box.

I know that farenheit 9/11 was a bunch of propanganda but i do remember the the clip where he is trying to get memebers of congress to sign up there children for the service and one of themn says i can't because he has a family.

I am glad to see how the people who run this nation really feel about the people who are sent to protect them and that is why if there is ever a draft and i am eligible...i will be no where to be found...flame if you will but i guarantee there are many thousands who will be joining me.

6/15/2005 2:31:11 AM

http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-11/111880173175210.xml&storylist=orlocal

Quote :

"Governor: National draft debate needed 6/14/2005 By CHARLES E. BEGGS The Associated Press SALEM, Ore. (AP) — Gov. Ted Kulongoski broke ground Tuesday on a project to build a new state war memorial to Oregon soldiers and said afterward that the nation needs a debate on whether to restore the military draft."

6/16/2005 2:27:59 PM

Oh my God!!!! The governor of Oregon?!?!?!

He sets policy for the entire nation! This is obviously something for all of us to worry about!


BTW, yesterday was June 15. I haven't gotten my draft card yet. Should I call the draft board to get a replacement or are they just mailing out them later in the week?

6/16/2005 2:39:44 PM

Yea, and I'm in the Navy ROTC.

Shit, I would have known way before you guys if something was coming.

And I think this proves once and for all salisburyboy is a complete and utter babbling idiot. I mean who names themselves after a type of steak?

[Edited on June 19, 2005 at 8:03 PM. Reason : I hope salisburyboy gets to be the first draftee.]

6/19/2005 8:01:29 PM

Quote :

"i guess it is kinda like getting a top ranking republican to say "yeah they have weapons of mass destruction" and then since they are republican it must be true"

actually, if you had even one ounce of a working brain, you would understand that the democrats keep bringing up the draft to scare people into voting democrat. You know, the same way they play the race card to get blacks to vote democrat. And the same way they play the SS card to get old people to vote democrat.

notice who it is that keeps introducing the draft reinstatement bills into congress.

6/19/2005 8:50:42 PM

For a second I thought you said I had one ounce of a working brain, but you bring up a good point.

6/19/2005 8:54:09 PM

alright, I added "even"

6/19/2005 8:56:51 PM

Democrats may have the draft, blacks, jews, faggots and communists supporting them but Republicans have God.

6/19/2005 8:59:29 PM

one versus five. sounds fair to me

6/19/2005 9:00:02 PM

hasn't the army recently increased its salaries and benefits for soldiers or something... another problem with the draft is people who are already in the military probably don't want to fight side by side with someone who has no interest in being there... either way, there would be so much oposition to the draft that it would never be effective.. times are different now...

6/19/2005 9:31:15 PM

What's the pay rate for an average US soldier, as compared to these mercenary companies?

I've heard some military families rely on food stamps in order to eat.

Quote :

""Blackwater has the people to execute any requirement." Blackwater recruits from the ranks of active-duty special-forces units—particularly Navy SEALs, Army Rangers and Delta Force troops—many of which are based in nearby Ft. Bragg, N.C. The best and brightest among private security consultants earn salaries that run as high as $15,000 a month. And as various commitments have strained the military's capacity to provide day-to-day security for relief workers and diplomats, Blackwater has prospered by filling the void. Since 2002, Blackwater has won more than $35 million in government contracts. The current business boom is in Iraq. Blackwater charges its clients $1,500 to $2,000 a day for each hired gun. Most security contractors, like Blackwater's teams, live a comfortable if exhausting existence in Baghdad, staying at the Sheraton or Palestine hotels, which are not plush but at least have running water. Locals often mistake the guards for special forces or CIA personnel, which makes active-duty military troops a bit edgy. "Those Blackwater guys," says an intelligence officer in Iraq, "they drive around wearing Oakley sunglasses and pointing their guns out of car windows. They have pointed their guns at me, and it pissed me off. Imagine what a guy in Fallujah thinks." Adds an Army officer who just returned from Baghdad, "They are a subculture.""

http://www.custerbattles.com/press/news041204time.html

6/20/2005 9:42:46 AM

OMG!!!! OAKLEY SUNGLASSES!?!?!?!?!

6/20/2005 10:31:26 AM

Mercenaries are an insult to a volunteer army.

6/20/2005 10:43:36 AM

Well, obviously thats what bothers you the most about them.

6/20/2005 10:53:58 AM

They cost too much. You really should support our troops and volunteer, so a guy who's been stuck in the stop-loss program can come home and see his family.

[Edited on June 20, 2005 at 11:15 AM. Reason : ,]

6/20/2005 11:15:30 AM

Why don't we ask the Military's opinion about Mercs.

I'm sure some of the serving on this board could give us a clue.

6/20/2005 12:54:44 PM

Quote :

"Contractors Say Marines Behaved Abusively WASHINGTON — Matt Raiche knew he was in trouble when the Marines handed him an orange jumpsuit, a bottle to urinate in, a Koran and a Muslim prayer rug. Marine guards put the former Marine into a 6-foot-by-6-foot concrete cell, locked the steel door and told him to keep his mouth shut. In cells nearby, he heard imprisoned insurgents screaming in Arabic. "They took us to be … insurgent terrorists," said Raiche, 34, one of 16 U.S. contractors arrested by Marines last month on suspicion of firing indiscriminately at U.S. troops and Iraqi civilians. "We said we were Americans. We didn't know what was going on." So began three days of captivity for the employees of North Carolina-based Zapata Engineering, who were apprehended after Marines allegedly witnessed them firing weapons from an armored convoy passing through Fallouja. Although the details remain unclear, the May 28 incident reflects the long-simmering tension between the military and private business in Iraq. Even though the government has hired companies to perform many functions there — including providing security — it does not formally oversee their activities, allowing misunderstandings and disputes to fester."

http://p71.news.scd.yahoo.com/s/latimests/contractorssaymarinesbehavedabusively

6/20/2005 2:07:35 PM

http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/071305/brief3.html

Quote :

"July 13, 2005 Dems aim to increase army size A team of Senate and House Democrats today are planning to introduce legislation today aimed at significantly increasing size of the U.S. Army. Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.), ranking member of the Senate Armed Services (SASC) airland subcommittee, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), a SASC member, and Reps. Ellen Tauscher (D-Calif.) and Mark Udall (D-Colo.), both members of the House Armed Services committee, are pressing for the passage of the United States Army Relief Act."

I wonder how they plan to "significantly" increase the size of the army.


[Edited on July 14, 2005 at 5:05 PM. Reason : 2]

7/14/2005 5:04:03 PM