^^ And the people in the US. I'll wager that salisburyboy's great-great-grandparents were on the docks throwing bricks at the Irish getting off of the boat back in the day.



[Edited on June 23, 2006 at 3:32 PM. Reason : .]

6/23/2006 3:32:31 PM

actually Salisburboy's grandparents were poor Sicilian/Algerian immigrants who arrived at Ellis Island circa 1940, with nothing but an old stick of bread in a shoe box.

they took seasonal jobs picking cotton in Alabama, for 50% less wages than decent white folks, directly causing several beautiful white babies to starve to death.

6/23/2006 4:50:18 PM

That is half correct, and I figured it was a matter of time before we got to that. Germany has a lower GDP anyway. PPP lowers everyone's GDP more or less.

Nominal GDP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita
vs
Purchasing Power Parity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita

Look at what happens to Arkansas (48th out of 50)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP_per_capita_(nominal)
Nominal GDP per capita, much lower than Germany's.
vs
http://www.demographia.com/db-gdp-gsp1998.htm
Purchasing Power Parity per capita, much higher than Germany's.

On the whole, states that rely heavily on exports/imports, such as Germany, are hurt by PPP, while states that are more isolated aren't.



[Edited on June 23, 2006 at 5:09 PM. Reason : stupid link tags messing up]

6/23/2006 5:04:47 PM

Quote :

"On the whole, states that rely heavily on exports/imports, such as Germany, are hurt by PPP, while states that are more isolated aren't"

This is somewhat correct. Though, saying hurt by PPP is a bit funny way of putting it. PPP is more accurate measure of actual living standards. Germany is helped by nominal comparisons.

Nominal comparisons use current exchange rates to convert from one currency to another. This means that nations with a strong currency and a high fraction GDP in the tradables sectors - like Germany - will see a big boost in the nominal calculations.

Nations with a weak currency and high tradables exposure - like China - will see a fall when using nominal numbers.

While Nominal GDP can give a sense for the power of an economy in the world market I think nominal GDP per capita is not that informative, personally.

6/23/2006 5:19:30 PM

^^^ On a separate note, I would like to mention that your IO columns are a good read.

6/23/2006 11:43:30 PM

CNN - Lou Dobbs Tonight Segment on the North American Union
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueAdeZuns3A

And some of you thought this was just all a figment of the imagination of those "wacko conspiracy theorists".

7/14/2006 12:28:39 PM

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50981

Quote :

"U.S.-Mexico merger opposition intensifies Some see secret efforts to scrap dollar, end U.S. sovereignty, combine nations July 9, 2006 By Joseph Farah © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com WASHINGTON – Are secret meetings being held between the corporate and political elites of the U.S., Mexico and Canada to push North America into a European Union-style merger? Is President Bush's reluctance to control the border and enforce laws requiring deportation of foreigners who enter the country illegally part of a master plan to all but eliminate borders between the U.S., Canada and Mexico? Does the agenda of the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America include a common currency that would scrap the dollar in favor of what some are calling the "amero"? It may be the biggest story of the 21st century, but few press outlets are telling it. In fact, until very recently, few in the U.S. were aware of the plans and even fewer denouncing what appears to be the implementation of an effort some have characterized as "NAFTA on steroids." But opposition is mounting. Perhaps the most blistering criticism has come from Lou Dobbs of CNN – a frequent critic of Bush's immigration policies."

Congress is taking steps to begin to implement parts of the plan...


http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51036

Quote :

"Cornyn wants U.S. taxpayers to fund Mexican development 'North American Investment Fund' billed as answer to illegal alien influx July 13, 2006 By Joseph Farah © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com WASHINGTON – Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, has quietly introduced a bill to create a "North American Investment Fund" that would tap U.S. and Canadian taxpayers for the development of public works projects in Mexico. Despite assurances this week from White House press secretary Tony Snow that President Bush opposes the idea of a European Union superstate for North America, the effort, by one of the president's loyal supporters in the Senate, is sure to spark new questions about negotiations between the leaders of Canada, the U.S. and Mexico on issues ranging from security to the economy. [...] As WND reported recently, opposition is mounting to similar programs, including President Bush's North American Security and Prosperity Partnership. Plans by government agencies and private foundations alike promoting deeper cooperation between the three countries – including even a plan for a common currency called the "amero" – are getting more scrutiny in the media, by activists and by public officials."

7/14/2006 1:06:25 PM

double post, troll.

7/14/2006 1:17:11 PM

well it was more than 30 minutes after. and he's not really trolling, he just posts alarmist and/or conspiracy theory shit.

7/14/2006 1:20:19 PM

Texe Marrs on the North American Union:

http://www.texemarrs.com/murder_of_america.htm

Quote :

"The Murder of America The Plot to Dissolve the United States and Establish a North American Union Now, finally, this traitorous clique of elitists has stepped out of the shadows into the light. No longer need they fear public disapproval. So effective has been their psychological brainwashing campaign and their dumbing down of the citizenry, the arrogant plotters believe they can finally come out and defiantly show themselves. Evidently, they think that no one is able to stop or even delay their bold plot to murder—yes, murder—America. The CFR has even published its despicable plan in a book, entitled Building A North American Community. Authored by three elite members of the New York-based organization, the book calls for the ending of American sovereignty and the overthrow of the American Constitution and government. [...] As shocking as the CFR plot is, equally upsetting is that President George Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin met in Waco, Texas, March 23, 2005, and signed a secret pact called the Security and Prosperity Partnership. That pact, prepared by CFR and Bilderberg administrators, sets forth step-by-step what each nation must do to insure the new, merged slave "nation," the North American Union, is fully operational by the year 2010."

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51282

Quote :

"Super-Corridor to oblivion July 29, 2006 There is growing concern about the proposed "Super-Corridor" from the southern tip of Mexico to Canada. The project, under way for more than a decade, is just now being introduced to the public. And the public doesn't like what they are hearing. Confusion about the project is rampant because it is still primarily a concept, in the planning stages, and most of the final decisions will not be made for some time. Several very important decisions, however, have already been made. The North American International Trade Corridor Partnership has officially amalgamated with the North American SuperCorridor Coalition, or NASCO, to promote the development of a trade corridor designed to expedite the flow of trade through the North American continent. [...] It also fits nicely into the vision of the Council on Foreign Relations' recent report, "Building a North American Community," which advocates "unlimited access to each other's territory" (page 47), including allowing Mexican or Canadian companies to freely enter the United States to compete with U.S. trucking companies, hauling freight between U.S. cities. This, of course, is essential to the creation of the North American Union, the goal of the Security and Prosperity Partnership. This partnership includes enhanced border crossings for trade and for individuals, using a new SENTRI program being developed by the U.S. Customs Department. This massive transformation of the United States of America into the North American Union is well under way. It is being implemented with the blessings of the last three presidents, key congressmen, and the most powerful business and professional government leaders."

7/29/2006 2:14:23 PM

world net daily. im convinced.

im all for any and all relations with canada. if i was the personification of america, i would totally do canada.

7/29/2006 2:18:38 PM

Another wonderful Texe Marrs product regarding the American Union:

Quote :

"The American Union By 2005: "Their immediate goal is to end American sovereignty as soon as the year 2005." That is what Gaylon Ross told Texe Marrs recently. Ross, a top conspiracy researcher and editor of Who' Who of the Elite, indeed, has the proof, and it's right here in this eye-opening video. Watch and be amazed as billionaire David Rockefeller himself, caught on camera, reveals the secret objective to erase America's borders and merge the U.S.A. into Mexico, Central and South America by 2005. 86 Minute VHS • $20.00"

http://www.texemarrs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=catalog&Product_Code=vboa_american_union_vhs

So now the deadline is 2010? Let me guess, in 4 years he will push it back to 2015.

Once again you have somehow managed to find the sources with the lowest credibility on the entire internet.

7/29/2006 3:13:50 PM

did Canada join NAFTA yet?

7/29/2006 3:18:13 PM

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2006/09/21/01229.html

Quote :

"The Bush Administration covers-up the "North American Union" plot against Canada by Tom DeWeese, Special Guest Columnist [...] First one must know that the European Union was also originally sold to the nations on the European continent as simply a trade and security framework. The idea, said proponents, was to create an economic structure to allow a combined European economy to compete with the United States and other economic powerhouses. Only a few years later nations were told they needed a common currency to provide seamless trade. At the same time, the working groups organizing the EU policy, began to morph into what today has become a European Union parliament, which now is working to create a means of taxation, regulation of commerce and a court system. Now, in offices buried in the bureaucratic structures of the United States, Canada and Mexico, twenty "working groups" are hard at work writing policy initiatives for the SPP, covering a wide range of issues including, the manufacture and movement of goods across the borders of the three North American nations: creating a common energy policy and common environmental regulations over the three nations; regulating E-commerce and information communications and technologies; establishing financial services, including loan policy and foreign aid policy; overseeing business facilitation, creating the rules under which businesses will operate in the three nations; establishing food and agriculture policy; and overseeing transportation and health policy. These policy directives will infringe on every aspect of our lives. Can anyone seriously accept the Administration's explanation that nothing really important is going on here? [...]"

9/22/2006 1:26:49 PM

Quote :

"Now, in offices buried in the bureaucratic structures of the United States, Canada and Mexico, twenty "working groups" are hard at work writing policy initiatives for the SPP, covering a wide range of issues including, the manufacture and movement of goods across the borders of the three North American nations: creating a common energy policy and common environmental regulations over the three nations; regulating E-commerce and information communications and technologies; establishing financial services, including loan policy and foreign aid policy; overseeing business facilitation, creating the rules under which businesses will operate in the three nations; establishing food and agriculture policy; and overseeing transportation and health policy."

aside from the whole thing being a paranoid delusion, what part of that would be a bad idea? the bolded ones look like really good ideas.

9/22/2006 1:47:19 PM

Quote :

"aside from the whole thing being a paranoid delusion..."

CNN - Lou Dobbs Tonight Segment on the North American Union
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ensmPJm5B5A

Yeah, the "tinfoil/wacko/paranoid conspiracy theorists/(insert other pejorative word)" are just dreaming up this one too.

Quote :

"the bolded ones look like really good ideas"

Of course they are going to make it sound "good" when they are trying to sell it to the public. They made the idea of a European Union (and the various agreements leading up to the EU) sound "good" also.


[Edited on September 22, 2006 at 2:08 PM. Reason : ``]

9/22/2006 2:02:33 PM

What, so someone in the MSM saying it makes it true?

You sheep.

9/22/2006 2:07:34 PM

You know that when they openly come out and admit they're establishing a North American Union a few months/years from now, we are going to remember those of you telling us it was false and just the "delusions" of the "conspiracy theorists." Not that you care about your credibility anyway.

9/22/2006 2:11:32 PM

What specifically are you afraid of?

What are you afraid is going to happen?

9/22/2006 2:13:05 PM

Yeah, who cares about American sovereignty anyway? Who cares about this country. Let's just erase the borders, dissolve the country, and join a regional or global state. Nationalism is outdated.

9/22/2006 2:15:01 PM

When you'd like to answer the question, I bet people would take your argument more seriously.

9/22/2006 2:15:39 PM

I've ALREADY addressed those questions in this thread. Go back and read it if you're interested.

9/22/2006 2:16:19 PM

we'd rather not wade through a tide pool of your other bullshit to find the (non-existant) answers you have provided

how about you humor us and answer the question (possibly) again

9/22/2006 2:24:58 PM

DID CANADA JOIN NAFTA YET?

9/22/2006 3:41:45 PM

The better question is how in the hell anyone could think that erasing our borders, eroding/ending American sovereignty, and joining up with third world countries in some regional or global state could be a good idea. So please enlighten us on the "benefits" of this idea.

9/22/2006 4:39:45 PM

young mexican pussy

9/22/2006 4:53:08 PM

DID CANADA JOIN NAFTA YET?

9/22/2006 5:11:25 PM

^^^ Well, it seemed to work out all right when we did exactly that back in 1789.

Sure, a better job could have been done, the founders trusted future generations too much, oh well.

9/22/2006 6:01:49 PM

Quote :

"You know that when they openly come out and admit they're establishing a North American Union a few months/years from now, we are going to remember those of you telling us it was false and just the "delusions" of the "conspiracy theorists." "

Just like those sheep who didn't believe that the draft was going to return in June of 2005.

And that our computers all had keyloggers installed in them.

And that the use of soldiers in New Orleans was the beginning of the police state that now exists in America.

And how the confiscation of a few firearms in post-Katrina New Orleans took away the right of Americans to possess guns.

And that anti-hate bill that was discussed a year ago ended free speech as we knew it.

9/22/2006 10:10:55 PM

Quote :

"The better question is how in the hell anyone could think that erasing our borders, eroding/ending American sovereignty, and joining up with third world countries in some regional or global state could be a good idea. So please enlighten us on the "benefits" of this idea."

Is Canada and Mexico the superpower econimically/globally/militarilly the United States is now? Nope, but I wouldn't consider them both 3rd world countries. And America will never fold to other countries/sovereignity, we'd assimilate them like we have for the past 250 years.

Immediately, who would have more to gain? Them
- protection of the US
- economic expansion
Long-term, who would have more to gain? Us
- Much more land - much more natural resources
- larger population base while keeping existing rights/expectations
- stragetic land aquisition (all north america is a large chunk)

What wouldn't be the benefits of this idea?

9/23/2006 1:38:18 AM

More like, what would be the major setbacks, aside from the further movement of capital south of the border, which has already happened anyway and will happen regardless.

9/23/2006 3:10:55 AM

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52164

Quote :

"Documents disclose 'shadow government' Indicate U.S. far advanced in constructing bureaucracy united with Mexico, Canada September 26, 2006 © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com Government documents released by a Freedom of Information Act request reveal the Bush administration is running a "shadow government" with Mexico and Canada in which the U.S. is crafting a broad range of policy in conjunction with its neighbors to the north and south, asserts WND columnist and author Jerome R. Corsi. The documents, a total of about 1,000 pages, are among the first to be released to Corsi through his FOIA request to the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, or SPP, which describes itself as an initiative "to increase security and to enhance prosperity among the three countries through greater cooperation." "The documents clearly reveal that SPP, working within the U.S. Department of Commerce, is far advanced in putting together a new regional infrastructure, creating a 'shadow' trilateral bureaucracy with Mexico and Canada that is aggressively rewriting a wide range of U.S. administrative law, all without congressional oversight or public disclosure," Corsi said. [...]"

"Shadow government"?? I thought only "wacko paranoid tinfoil hat conspiracy nuts" talked about a "shadow government"...

9/29/2006 4:58:34 PM

Yep. My questions would reveal your paranoia if you'd just answer them. And remember who's actually talking.

9/29/2006 5:03:31 PM

Quote :

""Shadow government"?? I thought only "wacko paranoid tinfoil hat conspiracy nuts" talked about a "shadow government"..."

WORLDNETDAILY.COM

[Edited on September 29, 2006 at 5:50 PM. Reason : *]

9/29/2006 5:49:59 PM

Worldnetdaily is a quasi-right wing, republican leaning news source, 30th. I would've guessed that you'd give them at least some credibility.

10/2/2006 12:31:46 PM

Today I saw a small hispanic child in a devil costume for Halloween.

I thought of salisburyboy.

10/31/2006 2:20:47 PM

For those that haven't seen it yet, check out Michael Medved's now infamous ad hominem tirade against those warning of the North American Union:

Shame on Demagogues Exploiting "North American Union"!
http://michaelmedved.townhall.com/blog/g/b4119746-9434-4f7b-a4fe-7caa91fee062

Brace yourself for the utter absurdity of Medved's smear job....as he calls those warning of the NAU "sick, twisted, blood-sucking, ignorant, hysterical, paranoid, shameless, delusional, ludicrous, childish, ill-informed, manipulative, brain dead, nonsensical, stupid, pathetic, demented, fear-mongering lunatics, losers, crooks, cranks, demagogues, opportunists, exploiters, charlatans, bastards, creeps, jug-heads, drunks, fringies, reprobates, and miserable cretins"...etc.


Commentary on Medved's article:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/manion/manion70.html

Quote :

"Demagoguery 101 January 3, 2007 by Christopher Manion When the political commentator cannot persuade through argument, he often descends into "argument by assertion." When that fails, he at last resorts to name-calling. In that spirit, one Michael Medved has recently won the epithet marathon, and placed a strong runner-up in fatuous assertions. Medved is, or was at one time, I believe, a movie reviewer. I don’t always agree with him. Candidly, I don’t often read him. But his writing is usually within the realm of the coherent – especially when he is commenting on the culture. But his latest broadside wins the Outrageous Allegation Oscar hands-down. "Shame on Demagogues Exploiting ‘North American Union’," reads Medved’s title, in full. And then he proceeds to glory in – what else? Demagoguery! In taking aim from the wrong end of his blunderbuss, he sheds a powerful (and unintended) spotlight on his own naïve, and evidently abysmal, ignorance. Frankly, it will be interesting to see if he ever recovers. Many demagogues are also cowards, and Medved’s barrage qualifies for nomination in both categories. While he bravely exhausts the glossary in the "Insults For Dummies" lexicon, he doesn’t even have the courage to name any of his targets. Nor does he discuss a single particular of the array of issues he is supposedly addressing. [...]"

1/5/2007 11:59:03 AM

Does this mean we'll get more Pan Bimbo and less Little Debbie? I'm all for that.

1/5/2007 12:00:55 PM

I'll ask again, how is that any worse than the name-calling that Alex Jones throws around in every article that he writes?

1/5/2007 12:04:22 PM

I wonder if salisbury is, by chance, a member of the Savage Nation...

I heard him on last night talking about how he thinks in 25 years, we will either be extinct as a nation, or be ruled by Mexico.

1/5/2007 12:05:52 PM

More recent commentary:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53350

Quote :

"Analysts: Dollar collapse would result in 'amero' December 13, 2006 By Jerome R. Corsi © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com Two analysts who have reconstructed money supply data after the Fed stopped publishing it argue a coming dollar collapse will set the stage for creating the amero as a North American currency to replace the dollar. [...] How severe will the coming dollar collapse be? "People in the U.S. are going to be hit hard," Chapman warned. "In the severe recession we are entering now, Bush will argue that we have to form a North American Union to compete with the Euro." "Creating the amero," Chapman explained, "will be presented to the American public as the administration's solution for dollar recovery. In the process of creating the amero, the Bush administration just abandons the dollar.""

Quote :

"I am utterly amazed at the people so eager to label the whole thing a conspiracy theory. There are so many things at play here that are VERY REAL, labeling it all a conspiracy and dismissing it, makes the people doing so look very foolish and or biased. RE The Amero: Did anyone happen to see the news today on the rise of The Euro and the corresponding decline of The Dollar? How about the UAE announcement that that they would be diversifying their reserves to Euro’s. How about Venezuela’s doing the same thing. You know Iran has already asked for Petro Dollars to be Petro Euros. What happens to the dollar when OPEC does the same? What do you think will happen down the road if all of these things aggregate? Can you not see our Government telling us that to remain viable we have to follow the lead of the EU. That it might be the only way to stay competitive. How can anyone seriously claim that the Amero is absurd in light of the above? If the Amero is a possibility, and a Guest Worker Program with amnesty for all, plus open borders is almost a reality, how is that not a North American Union by default? Under the weight of just those two issues, how long would it take for the rest of the stuff to come on line? Calling the whole thing a conspiracy is like calling anti illegal immigrationists, racists. It is not accurate, and prevents anything meaningful from being discussed and more importantly, getting done."

http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/28/medved-goes-nuclear-on-north-american-union-conspiracy-theorists/

1/5/2007 12:07:10 PM

this really is all fact. i posted about it a while back to, but jus tposted the link and said "thoughts?" because i had to leave for the day or get lunch or was lazy.


Here is the link. Its from teh council of foreign relations themsleves.

it says its 70 pages, but the english part is really only 20.

1/5/2007 12:09:33 PM

promocionales proviso por PAN BIMBO!

1/5/2007 12:15:38 PM

Lou Dobbs frequently talks about the plans for the NAU on his show. The CFR published a report on how to achieve a new "North American Community" by 2010. But the establishment stooges and those duped by them still would have us believe that it's all "wacko conspiracy theory talk."

Building a North American Community
http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/

Quote :

"Sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations in association with the Canadian Council of Chief Executives and the Consejo Mexicano de Asuntos Internacionales. [...] When the leaders of Canada, Mexico, and the United States met in Texas recently they underscored the deep ties and shared principles of the three countries. The Council-sponsored Task Force applauds the announced “Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America,” but proposes a more ambitious vision of a new community by 2010 and specific recommendations on how to achieve it."

Lou Dobbs Slams CFR & North American Union
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kjsy2Z3kdI


Stan Jones, Montana Libertarian Candidate for the U.S. Senate, warns of the plans for the NAU in this speech from the '06 campaign:
http://oldthinker.wordpress.com/tag/globalisation/north-american-union/ (scroll down for youtube video of speech)



[Edited on January 5, 2007 at 12:29 PM. Reason : ``]

1/5/2007 12:25:09 PM

sorry i forgot to post the link, but yeah thats it. This is real stuff people, not everything that you dont want to believe is a conspiracy theory.

1/5/2007 12:39:27 PM

ttt

1/5/2007 12:45:23 PM

Labelling something a "conspiracy theory" is a way for the establishment to attempt to marginalize and dismiss information they don't want you to know about. It's an attempt to shut down all intelligent and rational debate and discussion on the issues and to dismiss the ideas without thought.

The use of the term by the establishment originated as a label for those who believed there was a conspiracy to kill JFK (as well as a conspiracy within the government and media to cover it up). And now 75%+ of the American public does not believe the "official" story on the JFK assassination. It will be the same with 9/11, the Oklahoma City bombing, and many other events/issues. After people are made aware of the facts on these issues, they will discover that the "official"/"mainstream"/"government" version of events is false.

The REAL "wacko conspiracy theories" are the lies the government and mainstream media espouses on these issues.


[Edited on January 5, 2007 at 12:52 PM. Reason : ``]

1/5/2007 12:50:14 PM

kk

1/5/2007 1:05:08 PM

!kcab er'uoy ,doog hO

1/5/2007 1:35:36 PM

Quote :

"This is real stuff people, not everything that you dont want to believe is a conspiracy theory."

I don't think it is a conspiracy theory, I just think it is wishful thinking on your part. Such a feat would be unprecedented, it took the fall of the berlin wall to unify Europe, what is the impetus for North America? That you think it makes sense?

Nope, conspiracy or not, the dollar is not going to "collapse" and the "Amero" will not take its place and these three countries are not going to join in the sense of becoming one country (as Europe has), it just isn't going to happen. The Elites have little to gain from unification and a rediculous amount to lose (America's Elites might be supplanted by Mexican or Canadian Elites if the countries unify, it's better to rule in a smaller country than serve in a bigger one).

1/5/2007 2:04:56 PM